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[bunny]

superskippy wrote:
We fight how we need to fight, technically we cant assasinate some of the terrorist leaders that we have. But does that mean we arent going to? Of course not. We are going to do what we can to protect our country, if we violate a clause of a treaty to achieve that end then so be it. We would hardly be the first or the most extreme to do so.



Good to know that you support breaking the Law to achieve your objectives.

I can only imagine that such cumbersome issues as Human Rights would never stand in your way either.

People are innocent until proven guilty, unless you are in Israel, or involved in dealings with her, or unfortunate enough to be her neighbor, etc...

Good point skippy. Whatever it takes to achieve ones ideological objectives, right?

[Snake]

So you're saying they should let hamas and hezbollah kill people whenever they feel like it?

[bunny]

Kamel wrote: So you're saying they should let hamas and hezbollah kill people whenever they feel like it?


No. Where did I say that?

[mendosan]

bunny wrote: Kamel wrote: Perhaps you can find something, because I'm finding it incredibly difficult to confirm that Palestine was ever recognised as a country.

If it's not a country, Geneva's rules don't apply.

An Occupying Force has rules it need to follow, that Israel is breaking, on a daily basis, in violation of the geneva conventions. The fact that Palestine is not an official country, is also a moot point.

If your gonna claim violations of the geneva convention back it up, you can get the document online. Link

[bunny]

mendosan wrote: bunny wrote: Kamel wrote: Perhaps you can find something, because I'm finding it incredibly difficult to confirm that Palestine was ever recognised as a country.

If it's not a country, Geneva's rules don't apply.

An Occupying Force has rules it need to follow, that Israel is breaking, on a daily basis, in violation of the geneva conventions. The fact that Palestine is not an official country, is also a moot point.

If your gonna claim violations of the geneva convention back it up, you can get the document online. Link


Nice. Thanks for the link, mate.

[superskippy]

Quote: How much are you willing to lose. The very heart and sole of Israel. Are you willing to sacrifice all that is good (in you and you people and the country just to destroy an enemy ? Sure you act like Hamas, but how are you then better than them ?

Your talking about loss from an intangible perspective and in that regard I do not beleive we have lost anything. We are doing what we must do and that is defend our country and keep our security, that is hardly losing our soul. People die in war and conflict that is an inevitability and so long as we have a threat from the Palestinians, Palestinians in general will die.

Quote: Sure, I understand you will do whatever you think is needed for survival. However at some point you turn into your very own worst nemesis. It's like the war on terror. They say they want tp protect and preserve freedom. What do they do. They restrict and try abolish it. Becoming a facist state in all but name.

Doing what we need to do for our security and the lives of our people is a great task and one that we should follow through with all of hearts and effort. You conclude by calling Israel on the verge of being fascist if it is not so already, but I find nothing to back up that claim.

Quote: Technically you cant assasinate anybody but you still do (Sheik Yassin

He is one of scores.

Quote: How does the destroying Gaza aid you in finding poor Gilat (assuming he is still alive) ?

It isnt the sole goal, by destroying militant infrastructre in advance we do an enormous amount to secure our country. In this operation we have done I must admit surprisingly well killing well over 190 militants and destroying vast stocks of ammunition and kept civilian casualties to a minimum in comparison to the militant fatilities.

Quote: My solution is easy if Israel could improve the lives of Palestinians better than say Hamas or Fatah could they would gain the favor of the people...and at the same time lessen the hatred (which frankly put is somewhat understandable from a Palestinian point of view) that some Palestinians have of Israel...

That day has long since passed, the Palestinians want nothing to do with us. Nor can you expect us to build up their government for them to create a stable nation when they dont want us to. The solution lies in two states at relative, mind you relative peace. Which is I beleive the best we can hope for and perhaps possible one day though Hamas has quashed much of that hope.

Quote: It's allright, I'll check out my sources again, aight ?

Please do.

Quote: Good to know that you support breaking the Law to achieve your objectives.

I can only imagine that such cumbersome issues as Human Rights would never stand in your way either.

You arent talking about human rights your talking about clauses in international treaty. For instance I spoke of our policy of assasination something we excel at, which is not in the realm of human rights.

Quote: People are innocent until proven guilty, unless you are in Israel, or involved in dealings with her, or unfortunate enough to be her neighbor, etc...

If your trying to use this as a paltry retort to our policy of killing terrorist and militant leaders then it has failed. I am proud of our actions in this regard and it has been our most lethal tool in showing the world that we will find you. Whether it be Belgium, France, Germany, Algeria, Libya, Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, the Territoris, Poland, Morrocco, Norway, Denmark, Argentina, Britian, Italy, Uganda, or elsewhere we will find you, we will bring you to justice, or we will kill you.

[cap'n queasy]

bunny wrote: Whoa, so I guess everyone in here thinks the same way about the good ol USA & the Native AMerican Genocide, Internment Camps, And being the only nation to drop a nuclear bomb onto a civilian population...Twice! Afterall, God does talk to it's leaders, and all.

The Europeans were slaughtering native Americans for two hundred and fifty years before there was even a US. And probably 3/4s of the native Americans who were slaughtered or enslaved lived in Central and South America where the US had nothing to do with it.

And Islam has been slaughtering anything in it's path for 1300 years with no slowing down, conquering a huge area much larger than the US. So you don't really have any room to talk. :lol:

People have conflicts. And now the conflict is between Western Enlightenment culture and Islamic culture. I predict the next hundred years will be like the last 6000 years.

Constant conflict.