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[The Comrade]

mODULAR mAN wrote:

Pick one event, perhaps the most compelling, and give as much description of the event. Time, age, place, conditions, follow-up, witnesses, etc.



hmmm


i'll just describe the ones i remember.


so i woke up in the middle of the night and had to go to the bathroom. i waited, awake, for some time so my eyes would become adjusted to the dark, and i would be coherent when i tried walking through the halls. when i reached my bathroom, i opened the door, and there was a little girl in my bathroom. i don't have a little sister, there was no possible way for it to be light tricks either because there were no lights on. it wasn't some object in my bathroom because other then my toilet, nothing is white, and my toilet does not look like a little girl.


i was on the computer, and my dad was having band practice in the othe room adjacent to the computer room(whic is actually a large open space in my hallway. if you want i'll provide you with pictures). now, biengn ext to a band playing is incredibly loud. as my dad was playing, my bathroom door slammed shut. it was so loud that i heard it over my dads band. now, you might say the wind, but it was summer and there were no winds. secondly, there are no windows directly across from it able to slam it. the only one is my bed room window(About 30 feet away from the bathroom door if my door happens to be opened). and, the way the bathroom door is, if there was a breeze, it would have opened it, rather then close it. i asked my mother if she had used the bathroom, but she wasn't upstairs at all that day. it wasn't a ember of the band because they were practicing.

another time i was in the shower, and the bathroom door locked by itself.


while sitting at the computer, without warning it will feel like a hand touching my back. i own't be thinking about it, so it's not my imagination running wild.

another time while on the computer(no music was playing and i had the sound turned off) i heard a noise. i went "kelly?" because that's my sisters name, and i received a screamed "NOOOOOO!!!!" in response. it sounded lik ea little girl. thing is, no one was upstairs but me and there were no televisisons on.


i can provide more if you wish.

[Dr. Wojtyla]

The Comrade wrote:

hmmm


i'll just describe the ones i remember.


so i woke up in the middle of the night and had to go to the bathroom. i waited, awake, for some time so my eyes would become adjusted to the dark, and i would be coherent when i tried walking through the halls. when i reached my bathroom, i opened the door, and there was a little girl in my bathroom. i don't have a little sister, there was no possible way for it to be light tricks either because there were no lights on. it wasn't some object in my bathroom because other then my toilet, nothing is white, and my toilet does not look like a little girl.


I see things that aren't there when I wake up in the middle of the night all the time. It's a form of parasomnia.

What did the little girl do?
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i was on the computer, and my dad was having band practice in the othe room adjacent to the computer room(which is actually a large open space in my hallway. if you want i'll provide you with pictures). now, being next to a band playing is incredibly loud. as my dad was playing, my bathroom door slammed shut. it was so loud that i heard it over my dads band. now, you might say the wind, but it was summer and there were no winds. secondly, there are no windows directly across from it able to slam it. the only one is my bed room window(About 30 feet away from the bathroom door if my door happens to be opened). and, the way the bathroom door is, if there was a breeze, it would have opened it, rather then close it. i asked my mother if she had used the bathroom, but she wasn't upstairs at all that day. it wasn't a ember of the band because they were practicing.

You've got to be kidding me. Doors slam all the time, even when there's no wind. I've probably had that happen 20 times in my life, and never once did it occur to me that there were ghosts involved. But then, I wasn't already convinced I lived in a haunted house at the time, either...
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another time i was in the shower, and the bathroom door locked by itself.

Oops.
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while sitting at the computer, without warning it will feel like a hand touching my back. i own't be thinking about it, so it's not my imagination running wild.

I often think I feel a bug crawling on my leg but it's just a leg hair getting tickled.

Does anyone else feel this hand or just you? Do you ever feel it anywhere else on your body?
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another time while on the computer(no music was playing and i had the sound turned off) i heard a noise. i went "kelly?" because that's my sisters name, and i received a screamed "NOOOOOO!!!!" in response. it sounded lik ea little girl. thing is, no one was upstairs but me and there were no televisions on.

Last month my girlfriend was talking really loud by an open window in our apartment. She asked me a question loudly. Some punk outside on the street, as a joke, shouted an answer to her question. We both laughed and she lowered her voice from then on.

When I was 6 my friends and I were wandering around in the alley behind the back yards of our neighborhood. It was a confusing area and without realizing it, we wandered into a stranger's back yard. A little girl looked out the window at us and got freaked out and cried. We ran off. More often, kids like us did the same thing (wander onto property), but on purpose.

Dollars to donuts, a combination of the two is what happened to you that day.

But oh, it coulda also been ghosts. That's far more likely.

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i can provide more if you wish.

Please do, before someone reading this thread tries to sell you some real estate.

[The Comrade]

Dr. Wojtyla wrote:
I see things that aren't there when I wake up in the middle of the night all the time. It's a form of parasomnia.

good job at taking it out of context. i already told you i waited for my eyes to get adjusted so i wasn't groggy when i got up.

Dr. Wojtyla wrote:
What did the little girl do?

scared the s**t out of me?

Dr. Wojtyla wrote:
You've got to be kidding me. Doors slam all the time, even when there's no wind. I've probably had that happen 20 times in my life, and never once did it occur to me that there were ghosts involved. But then, I wasn't already convinced I lived in a haunted house at the time, either...


yeah doors just slam all the time. it's the most common thing in the world.



Dr. Wojtyla wrote:
Oops.

you're a conisueir of trolling aren't you.


Dr. Wojtyla wrote:
I often think I feel a bug crawling on my leg but it's just a leg hair getting tickled.

it's not just a "tickle"

Dr. Wojtyla wrote:
Does anyone else feel this hand or just you? Do you ever feel it anywhere else on your body?

everyone that has ever entered my house has felt the same thing atleast once.


and considering your track record for trolling i'm going to assume the last part of your question is you being an ass.


Dr. Wojtyla wrote:
Last month my girlfriend was talking really loud by an open window in our apartment. She asked me a question loudly. Some punk outside on the street, as a joke, shouted an answer to her question. We both laughed and she lowered her voice from then on.

no windows open. and i live in a small city. so no one was on the street. and the sound came from the back of my house, which leads to my backyard, and i'm positive it wasn't someone in my backyard. and considering the sound came from up stairs, not out side(yes, i can tell the difference. amazing isn't it?) i'm positive that your explination is irrelevent.

Dr. Wojtyla wrote:
When I was 6 my friends and I were wandering around in the alley behind the back yards of our neighborhood. It was a confusing area and without realizing it, we wandered into a stranger's back yard. A little girl looked out the window at us and got freaked out and cried. We ran off. More often, kids like us did the same thing (wander onto property), but on purpose.

my house isnt set up like that.

Dr. Wojtyla wrote:
Dollars to donuts, a combination of the two is what happened to you that day.

nope.

Dr. Wojtyla wrote:
But oh, it coulda also been ghosts. That's far more likely.

mhm

[Dr. Wojtyla]

The Comrade wrote: Dr. Wojtyla wrote:
I see things that aren't there when I wake up in the middle of the night all the time. It's a form of parasomnia.

good job at taking it out of context. i already told you i waited for my eyes to get adjusted so i wasn't groggy when i got up. That's usually when I see things, too. Quote:

Dr. Wojtyla wrote:
What did the little girl do?

scared the s**t out of me?
I ask because the story would be 100 times more believable if you could give more of a description. Or if you saw her long enough for her to do anything. Quote:

Dr. Wojtyla wrote:
You've got to be kidding me. Doors slam all the time, even when there's no wind. I've probably had that happen 20 times in my life, and never once did it occur to me that there were ghosts involved. But then, I wasn't already convinced I lived in a haunted house at the time, either...


yeah doors just slam all the time. it's the most common thing in the world.



Dr. Wojtyla wrote:
Oops.

you're a conisueir of trolling aren't you.


Dr. Wojtyla wrote:
I often think I feel a bug crawling on my leg but it's just a leg hair getting tickled.

it's not just a "tickle"

Dr. Wojtyla wrote:
Does anyone else feel this hand or just you? Do you ever feel it anywhere else on your body?

everyone that has ever entered my house has felt the same thing atleast once.


and considering your track record for trolling i'm going to assume the last part of your question is you being an ass.


Thanks to you and this story I am even less open to the ideas of ghosts existing. Based on what you've said, every house I've ever lived in has been haunted.

[The Comrade]

[quote="Dr. Wojtyla"]That's usually when I see things, too.[quote]

so you usually hallucinate when you aren't groggy and your eyes are adjusted to the dark?

congrats. you're different from every single normal human being in the world.

[quote="Dr. Wojtyla"]I ask because the story would be 100 times more believable if you could give more of a description. Or if you saw her long enough for her to do anything. Quote:

she told me how to build a nuclear bomb, which i then used to take down the world trade center.


she did what most ghosts reportedly do. looked at me, moved a little before i ran out of the bathroom.

[quote="Dr. Wojtyla"]Thanks to you and this story I am even less open to the ideas of ghosts existing. Based on what you've said, every house I've ever lived in has been haunted.

but you have all the answers, so why, pray tell, did i hear and eperience these things despite their impossisbility thanks to my houses design?

[Dr. Wojtyla]

The Comrade wrote: Dr. Wojtyla wrote: That's usually when I see things, too.

so you usually hallucinate when you aren't groggy and your eyes are adjusted to the dark? Not usually, no. Quote:

congrats. you're different from every single normal human being in the world.
I thought millions of people the world over see ghosts. Quote:
Dr. Wojtyla wrote: I ask because the story would be 100 times more believable if you could give more of a description. Or if you saw her long enough for her to do anything.

she told me how to build a nuclear bomb, which i then used to take down the world trade center.

she did what most ghosts reportedly do. looked at me, moved a little before i ran out of the bathroom.

So you left before you could confirm what you saw was actually there. Good job.
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Dr. Wojtyla wrote: Thanks to you and this story I am even less open to the ideas of ghosts existing. Based on what you've said, every house I've ever lived in has been haunted.

but you have all the answers, so why, pray tell, did i hear and experience these things despite their impossibility thanks to my house's design?

They're not impossible. The fact that they happened proved they're possible. Unless you think you imagined them.

I'm just curious why you gave up so quickly on the natural. I've had the same experiences as you have and I never once thought I'd experienced a ghost.

[The Comrade]

Dr. Wojtyla wrote: Not usually, no.

and niether do i.

Dr. Wojtyla wrote: I thought millions of people the world over see ghosts.

how does that make any sense with what i said?

Dr. Wojtyla wrote: So you left before you could confirm what you saw was actually there. Good job.

huked in fonikz knot worcin?

i just told you what she did which shows that i confirmed what she did.

Dr. Wojtyla wrote: They're not impossible. The fact that they happened proved they're possible. Unless you think you imagined them.

explain them then.

Dr. Wojtyla wrote: I'm just curious why you gave up so quickly on the natural. I've had the same experiences as you have and I never once thought I'd experienced a ghost.

because there isn't an explination for that happened?

if something falls off a shelf i don't go "ZOMG GHOSTS?!?!?!?!" i do actually take into consideration an explination.

[mODULAR mAN]

Comrade, no offense, but I still don't believe you saw a ghost.

I believe you BELIEVE you did, but I don't buy it.

(For example, negative air pressure can close a window as you described it.)

What instrument does your dad play?

[The Comrade]

mODULAR mAN wrote: Comrade, no offense, but I still don't believe you saw a ghost.

I believe you BELIEVE you did, but I don't buy it.

(For example, negative air pressure can close a window as you described it.)

What instrument does your dad play?


i know doors can slam like that, but the same factors were not present at the time. and the door was incredibly loud. i've heard steel doors slam from negative air pressure and it wasn't as loud as the wooden one in my house.

he plays the organ.

[mODULAR mAN]

The Comrade wrote: mODULAR mAN wrote: Comrade, no offense, but I still don't believe you saw a ghost.

I believe you BELIEVE you did, but I don't buy it.

(For example, negative air pressure can close a window as you described it.)

What instrument does your dad play?


i know doors can slam like that, but the same factors were not present at the time. and the door was incredibly loud. i've heard steel doors slam from negative air pressure and it wasn't as loud as the wooden one in my house.

he plays the organ.

So ghosts can increase the volume in "our realm" now? i don't buy it.

Church organ or Rhodes (the Daddy of the Rock and Roll organ sound)?

[The Comrade]

mODULAR mAN wrote: So ghosts can increase the volume in "our realm" now? i don't buy it.

no, but someone(yes i'm classifying it as a someone) can slam a door a hell of a lot harder then negative air pressure.

if you have a wooden door where you live, slam it literally as hard as you can. and i'm not exagerating, because i tried it afterwards.

and he plays a hammond b3. basically what was used in alot of classic rock songs.

[mODULAR mAN]

The Comrade wrote: mODULAR mAN wrote: So ghosts can increase the volume in "our realm" now? i don't buy it.

no, but someone(yes i'm classifying it as a someone) can slam a door a hell of a lot harder then negative air pressure.

if you have a wooden door where you live, slam it literally as hard as you can. and i'm not exagerating, because i tried it afterwards.

and he plays a hammond b3. basically what was used in alot of classic rock songs.

I have heard a wood door slam hard, it can be quite a sound, but I don't see how it's a ghost.

The Hammond is a classic, I suppose the Mother of the Rock And Rool sound.

What kind of stuff does he play? (I play guitar)

[The Comrade]

mODULAR mAN wrote: I have heard a wood door slam hard, it can be quite a sound, but I don't see how it's a ghost.

considering the track record of my house and the factors at the time there honestly isn't another conclusion.

mODULAR mAN wrote: The Hammond is a classic, I suppose the Mother of the Rock And Rool sound.

What kind of stuff does he play? (I play guitar)


mostly music from the 70s. i don't know alot of the bands he plays though. they're not mainstream usually.

[mODULAR mAN]

Of course, there's also the Moog.

[The Comrade]

mODULAR mAN wrote: Of course, there's also the Moog.


moog?

[mODULAR mAN]

The Comrade wrote: mODULAR mAN wrote: I have heard a wood door slam hard, it can be quite a sound, but I don't see how it's a ghost.

considering the track record of my house and the factors at the time there honestly isn't another conclusion.

mODULAR mAN wrote: The Hammond is a classic, I suppose the Mother of the Rock And Rool sound.

What kind of stuff does he play? (I play guitar)


mostly music from the 70s. i don't know alot of the bands he plays though. they're not mainstream usually.

I played a lot of 60'5 and 70's for a while. I was a big Hendrix and Zeppelin fan. In fact, in highschool it all I listened to (while everyone else was listening to Wham... don't ask.. :-| .)

[Dr. Wojtyla]

So if I understand you correctly, a door slammed loudly and you concluded that only a ghost could have caused it?

[mODULAR mAN]

Dr. Wojtyla wrote: So if I understand you correctly, a door slammed loudly and you concluded that only a ghost could have caused it?

To defend him properly, I think he has other pieces of evidence, but honestly, if you look at each one, they are not very convincing (IMO).
So, i'd take the door out of the equation, and since it was probably an air-pressure thing, you can explain the "voices" (howling wind when somone opened the door downstairs(?))

Active imagination when those things occured could explain the rest.




Moog is the original synthesizer (i think), a keyboard instrument. Ask your Dad, he'll know.

[Freedom_Isnt_Free]

Personally, I, being a religous man, beleive that Ghosts don't exist, BUT, deamons do. The Bible mentions these alot. Is it just me or does that make the ghost thing a little more creepy...demons.

[The Comrade]

mODULAR mAN wrote:
To defend him properly, I think he has other pieces of evidence, but honestly, if you look at each one, they are not very convincing (IMO).
So, i'd take the door out of the equation, and since it was probably an air-pressure thing, you can explain the "voices" (howling wind when somone opened the door downstairs(?))

Active imagination when those things occured could explain the rest.




Moog is the original synthesizer (i think), a keyboard instrument. Ask your Dad, he'll know.


it wasn't a whistle. it was a distinct response to a question i asked. there was no wind, i am positive of this.


explain the drum set in the band room that had a symbol bang for about a minute. i have no cats, so that's out of the question. wind can move a symbol, but it cannot bang it. there was nothing to fall on it, and if something had it wouldn't have lasted a minute. there was no one in the room at the time, all windows closed.

Explain that as air pressure or the wind.