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BaRRoW5588 · Joined: 02 Oct 2006 Posts: 23 Location: Maryland

I found a site that has many biblical contradictions. Check it out. Really makes you say hmmm...

http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/jim_meritt/bible-contradictions.html#good_to_all

Corona · Joined: 15 Oct 2006 Posts: 155 Location: Sierra Vista, AZ

Obviously, War is Peace. Oh and Ignorance is Knowledge.

superskippy · Joined: 14 Jul 2005 Posts: 8288 Location: Petah Tikva

They all refer to different events and situations.

dtwizzy2k5 · Joined: 03 Apr 2006 Posts: 467

Theres contadictions in the bible, but whats your point? The Bible was written by men...do you expect it to be flawless?

The Comrade · Joined: 16 Jul 2006 Posts: 12039 Location: Zagreb

dtwizzy2k5 wrote: Theres contadictions in the bible, but whats your point? The Bible was written by men...do you expect it to be flawless?

Angelicus · Joined: 04 Apr 2006 Posts: 4681

Gee now how'd I guess that they would take completely different parts of the scriptures, quote them completely out of the context in which they were written, then compare the two and try to say there are "contradictions".

:lol:

eynon · Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2006 7:28 pm Post subject:

the only thing I've read from the book to date that really makes me go "eh?" is in Exodus:

ok so the 5th plauge is the one on livestock, all the Eygptian livestock croaks........but it goes on to mention the effect the next 2 plauges, that of boils and hail, have on before mentioned Eygptian live-stock, which should all be dead unless:

A. the plauges were placed so far apart the Eygptians had time to go out and trade for new animals or
B. Something got lost in translation....

not that this stuff keeps me up at night.......I mean when you're passing down and oral then written tradition about events such as these who cares about the goats? :)

eynon

BaRRoW5588 wrote: I found a site that has many biblical contradictions. Check it out. Really makes you say hmmm...

http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/jim_meritt/bible-contradictions.html#good_to_all

:lol: :lol: they missed the thing I caught.......

but as others have stated most of those are takin seriouly out of context or they are taking poetic language literally....considering that the bible was written before things like, prose, one shouldn't read it like it's a technical maunal :wink:

mODULAR mAN · Joined: 13 Oct 2006 Posts: 852 Location: censored

The Comrade wrote: dtwizzy2k5 wrote: Theres contadictions in the bible, but whats your point? The Bible was written by men...do you expect it to be flawless?

John · Joined: 02 Jun 2004 Posts: 22954

eynon wrote: the only thing I've read from the book to date that really makes me go "eh?" is in Exodus:

ok so the 5th plauge is the one on livestock, all the Eygptian livestock croaks........but it goes on to mention the effect the next 2 plauges, that of boils and hail, have on before mentioned Eygptian live-stock, which should all be dead unless:

A. the plauges were placed so far apart the Eygptians had time to go out and trade for new animals or
B. Something got lost in translation....

not that this stuff keeps me up at night.......I mean when you're passing down and oral then written tradition about events such as these who cares about the goats? :)

Or C. we can read carefully what it says.

Exodus 9
1Then the LORD said to Moses, "Go to Pharaoh and speak to him, 'Thus says the LORD, the God of the Hebrews, "Let My people go, that they may serve Me.

2"For if you refuse to let them go and continue to hold them,

3 behold, the hand of the LORD will come with a very severe pestilence on your livestock which are in the field, on the horses, on the donkeys, on the camels, on the herds, and on the flocks.

psholtz · Joined: 15 Feb 2004 Posts: 23468 Location: California

Corona wrote: Obviously, War is Peace. Oh and Ignorance is Knowledge.
Ummmm... You're quoting Orwell's 1984..

You're not quoting the Bible.. :?

eynon · Posted: Sat Nov 11, 2006 4:45 am Post subject:

John wrote: eynon wrote: the only thing I've read from the book to date that really makes me go "eh?" is in Exodus:

ok so the 5th plauge is the one on livestock, all the Eygptian livestock croaks........but it goes on to mention the effect the next 2 plauges, that of boils and hail, have on before mentioned Eygptian live-stock, which should all be dead unless:

A. the plauges were placed so far apart the Eygptians had time to go out and trade for new animals or
B. Something got lost in translation....

not that this stuff keeps me up at night.......I mean when you're passing down and oral then written tradition about events such as these who cares about the goats? :)

Or C. we can read carefully what it says.

Exodus 9
1Then the LORD said to Moses, "Go to Pharaoh and speak to him, 'Thus says the LORD, the God of the Hebrews, "Let My people go, that they may serve Me.

2"For if you refuse to let them go and continue to hold them,

3 behold, the hand of the LORD will come with a very severe pestilence on your livestock which are in the field, on the horses, on the donkeys, on the camels, on the herds, and on the flocks.

:lol: I stand corrected.........btw nice catch:

:tu:

John · Joined: 02 Jun 2004 Posts: 22954

eynon wrote: John wrote: eynon wrote: the only thing I've read from the book to date that really makes me go "eh?" is in Exodus:

ok so the 5th plauge is the one on livestock, all the Eygptian livestock croaks........but it goes on to mention the effect the next 2 plauges, that of boils and hail, have on before mentioned Eygptian live-stock, which should all be dead unless:

A. the plauges were placed so far apart the Eygptians had time to go out and trade for new animals or
B. Something got lost in translation....

not that this stuff keeps me up at night.......I mean when you're passing down and oral then written tradition about events such as these who cares about the goats? :)

Or C. we can read carefully what it says.

Exodus 9
1Then the LORD said to Moses, "Go to Pharaoh and speak to him, 'Thus says the LORD, the God of the Hebrews, "Let My people go, that they may serve Me.

2"For if you refuse to let them go and continue to hold them,

3 behold, the hand of the LORD will come with a very severe pestilence on your livestock which are in the field, on the horses, on the donkeys, on the camels, on the herds, and on the flocks.

:lol: I stand corrected.........btw nice catch:

:tu:

I think it's really cool how it specifies that it would be the livestock in the field that would die. This should have removed any doubt about it just being a coincidence...since all the livestock in the field died and the Jews livestock in the field has unharmed. The livestock that wasn't out in the field remaining unharmed helps show that it was God's doing....and not some sort of trick or natural occurrence.

Corona · Joined: 15 Oct 2006 Posts: 155 Location: Sierra Vista, AZ

psholtz wrote: Corona wrote: Obviously, War is Peace. Oh and Ignorance is Knowledge.
Ummmm... You're quoting Orwell's 1984..

You're not quoting the Bible.. :?

I know....

eynon · Posted: Sat Nov 11, 2006 8:50 pm Post subject:

Corona wrote: psholtz wrote: Corona wrote: Obviously, War is Peace. Oh and Ignorance is Knowledge.
Ummmm... You're quoting Orwell's 1984..

You're not quoting the Bible.. :?

I know....

the Bible is fairly dis-establishment ya know........one big reason no-one's been able to bring back the Roman Empire....can't get enough Christians moving in the same direction :wink:

psholtz · Joined: 15 Feb 2004 Posts: 23468 Location: California

eynon wrote: Corona wrote: psholtz wrote: Corona wrote: Obviously, War is Peace. Oh and Ignorance is Knowledge.
Ummmm... You're quoting Orwell's 1984..

You're not quoting the Bible.. :?

I know....

the Bible is fairly dis-establishment ya know........one big reason no-one's been able to bring back the Roman Empire....can't get enough Christians moving in the same direction :wink:
US Admirality Law -- under which you currently live and work -- is taken (almost word-for-word in some cases) from Roman Civil Law.

I'd say the Roman Empire has made a wonderful comeback as of late.. except this time on a truly global scale.

eynon · Posted: Sun Nov 12, 2006 2:02 am Post subject:

psholtz wrote: eynon wrote: Corona wrote: psholtz wrote: Corona wrote: Obviously, War is Peace. Oh and Ignorance is Knowledge.
Ummmm... You're quoting Orwell's 1984..

You're not quoting the Bible.. :?

I know....

the Bible is fairly dis-establishment ya know........one big reason no-one's been able to bring back the Roman Empire....can't get enough Christians moving in the same direction :wink:
US Admirality Law -- under which you currently live and work -- is taken (almost word-for-word in some cases) from Roman Civil Law.

I'd say the Roman Empire has made a wonderful comeback as of late.. except this time on a truly global scale.

just as long I don't have to sacrifice to Bush's health every morning........but you do kinda sorta have a point, however these great empires as of late have been based around a secular model by in large, not a biblical one.

Indeed that was one of Orwell's points, the horror of secular absolutism........

psholtz · Joined: 15 Feb 2004 Posts: 23468 Location: California

John wrote: I think it's really cool how it specifies that it would be the livestock in the field that would die. This should have removed any doubt about it just being a coincidence...since all the livestock in the field died and the Jews livestock in the field has unharmed. The livestock that wasn't out in the field remaining unharmed helps show that it was God's doing....and not some sort of trick or natural occurrence.
First point: the Torah is silent about "Jewish livestock".. In fact, the word "Jew" never even appears in Torah, nor in most of the OT. The verses in question here concern themselves w/ the livestock of the "sons of Israel".. "mikneh benei Yisrael", as it were..

Generally speaking, animals are used in the Bible to symbolize various human emotions and desires. Sheep, for instance, are commonly used to symbolize pure and godly thoughts and emotions. In this case, the verse concerns itself w/ animals, and specifically w/ animals that originate either in Egypt or amongst the "sons of Israel".. Egypt here is being used as a symbol for the carnal, lower, animal-like aspect of man, while Israel is being used a symbol for higher, Soul-like qualities of man.

The preceding verses make it clear that God draws a great distinction between the animals of Egypt (thoughts originating from the carnal aspect) and the animals of Israel (thoughts originating from the Divine/Soul aspect).

It also makes clear that God clearly favors those thoughts and emotions which orginate from the higher self.

Animals which are left out in the "field" are those thoughts and desires which have not yet been "domesticated", i.e., brought under the conscious control of the mind. Those animals (i.e., emotions) which have their origin in Egypt (the carnal, animal aspect) and which have not been properly domesticated (i.e., controlled by your mind) will - in due time - be slaughtered by the Hand of God. The verse is ambiguous about exactly happens to those animals (emotions) of Egypt that were domesticated, but we know that ultimately even they too must be slaughtered by the Hand God.

The animals of Israel (i.e., thoughts and emotions of a Divine, loving nature) are left unaffected by the wrath of God - as one might expect.

The verse makes sense, of course.

The power and glory of God are such that nothing w/ any impurity whatsoever can withstand being in the direct prescence of God. It is written in Scripture that "our God is a consuming Fire", and so He is. A Fire that consmes all that is impure and unholy, the way a normal, "material" fire consumes deadwood. This verse from Exodus tells the same story... the impure, unholy carnal thoughts (those originating in Egypt), which have not yet been domensticated and brought under control (they are still out in the field), are precisely those thoughts and emotions that will be completely and utterly destroyed by the Hand of God.