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cap'n queasy · Joined: 15 May 2004 Posts: 34968

ieatfood wrote: Uh, its pretty common knowledge--Jews will goto hell.

Only according to anti-semites.

ieatfood · Joined: 28 Mar 2005 Posts: 6289

cap'n queasy wrote: ieatfood wrote: Uh, its pretty common knowledge--Jews will goto hell.

Only according to anti-semites.

and apparently Republican candidate for Congress James Broadwater.

eynon · Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 2:46 am Post subject: Re: Who Goes to Heaven?

Nathyn wrote: That just mentions that semen is "unclean," not that it's abusive to masturbate.

yep :-D

wash after wanking :)

ieatfood · Joined: 28 Mar 2005 Posts: 6289

semen is not "unclean"

semen is sterile, making it very clean (unless you have a UTI)

cap'n queasy · Joined: 15 May 2004 Posts: 34968

ieatfood wrote: cap'n queasy wrote: ieatfood wrote: Uh, its pretty common knowledge--Jews will goto hell.

Only according to anti-semites.

and apparently Republican candidate for Congress James Broadwater.

Likewise, for DNC fundraiser Fred Phelps. :lol:

Todd D. · Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 11:21 am Post subject:

ieatfood wrote: cap'n queasy wrote: ieatfood wrote: Uh, its pretty common knowledge--Jews will goto hell.

Only according to anti-semites.

and apparently Republican candidate for Congress James Broadwater.
What, 2 years ago?

He was strong like Stalin though. If he did not win, he would taaake power. He had big...chrem?

Clarino · Joined: 29 Oct 2006 Posts: 3333 Location: Oop North

Pareve wrote:
That's odd, because the absolute worst punishment for the most evil in Judaism is that they cease to be. It is an interesting difference of opinion on what the most terrible thing is.

Well, given the options of eternal torture or oblivion I'd say eternal torture would be worst. Just my opinion. Does this mean Jews have no concept of Hell?

Pareve wrote: Oh... A note... This isn't directed at the poster I just quoted, but I am really not here to get converted. At all. I am quite happy being Jewish, and don't find Christianity personally appealing in the slightest. I just like learning about other religions, and I admittedly don't know as much as I would like to about the technicalities of Christianity.

Speaking just for myself, I never try to convert people. I find it quite offensive when people try to convert me, so I don't do that. I am, however, happy to answer any questions about my faith, in the hope that a questioner of another faith or no faith see the truth of Christ.

Pareve wrote: Oh, and I would also like to ask that people refrain from referring to Jesus as "Yoshua" or calling him "Moshiach" because from my perspective, you're just being obnoxious. I know and you know you wouldn't talk about Jesus that way if you weren't talking to a Jew, and frankly, it's annoying.

Well spelling aside (I prefer to use the Anglicised spellings), Jesus is the Messiah. When talking to Christians you're going to have to accept that this is what we believe. We aren't going to refrain from using that word.

cap'n queasy wrote: ieatfood wrote: Uh, its pretty common knowledge--Jews will goto hell.

Only according to anti-semites.

You might want to look at the link ieatfood posted, it's a clip from Borat where a prospective Republican candidate says that Jews are going to Hell. Of course, that may make him anti-semitic, but that isn't ieatfood's fault.

eynon · Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 6:44 pm Post subject:

ieatfood wrote: semen is not "unclean"

semen is sterile, making it very clean (unless you have a UTI)

so you don't clean up after wanking? :wink:

The Comrade · Joined: 16 Jul 2006 Posts: 12039 Location: Zagreb

eynon wrote: ieatfood wrote: semen is not "unclean"

semen is sterile, making it very clean (unless you have a UTI)

so you don't clean up after wanking? :wink:

i like to spread mine on toast and recycle the nutrients.

but that's just me.

eynon · Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 6:51 pm Post subject:

The Comrade wrote: eynon wrote: ieatfood wrote: semen is not "unclean"

semen is sterile, making it very clean (unless you have a UTI)

so you don't clean up after wanking? :wink:

i like to spread mine on toast and recycle the nutrients.

but that's just me.

:lol: I'm already taking in enough nutrients thanks :lol:

The Comrade · Joined: 16 Jul 2006 Posts: 12039 Location: Zagreb

eynon wrote:

:lol: I'm already taking in enough nutrients thanks :lol:

so you don't drink your own urine?

i bet you don't sleep under a tree either....

eynon · Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 7:01 pm Post subject:

The Comrade wrote: eynon wrote:

:lol: I'm already taking in enough nutrients thanks :lol:

so you don't drink your own urine?

i bet you don't sleep under a tree either....

:rotf: when I'm lucky I sleep in a bush.......

The Comrade · Joined: 16 Jul 2006 Posts: 12039 Location: Zagreb

eynon wrote:
:rotf: when I'm lucky I sleep in a bush.......

Well as long as you're doing your part for the environment.

ieatfood · Joined: 28 Mar 2005 Posts: 6289

eynon wrote: ieatfood wrote: semen is not "unclean"

semen is sterile, making it very clean (unless you have a UTI)

so you don't clean up after wanking? :wink:

just because something is clean doesnt mean it won't leave a stain. just ask clinton.

eynon · Posted: Thu Nov 02, 2006 12:11 am Post subject:

ieatfood wrote: eynon wrote: ieatfood wrote: semen is not "unclean"

semen is sterile, making it very clean (unless you have a UTI)

so you don't clean up after wanking? :wink:

just because something is clean doesnt mean it won't leave a stain. just ask clinton.

ergo..........you wash it outta you're tunic.......you think God don't give good advice? :-|

Pareve · Joined: 30 Aug 2006 Posts: 895

Clarino wrote: Pareve wrote:
That's odd, because the absolute worst punishment for the most evil in Judaism is that they cease to be. It is an interesting difference of opinion on what the most terrible thing is.

Well, given the options of eternal torture or oblivion I'd say eternal torture would be worst. Just my opinion. Does this mean Jews have no concept of Hell?

Pareve wrote: Oh... A note... This isn't directed at the poster I just quoted, but I am really not here to get converted. At all. I am quite happy being Jewish, and don't find Christianity personally appealing in the slightest. I just like learning about other religions, and I admittedly don't know as much as I would like to about the technicalities of Christianity.

Speaking just for myself, I never try to convert people. I find it quite offensive when people try to convert me, so I don't do that. I am, however, happy to answer any questions about my faith, in the hope that a questioner of another faith or no faith see the truth of Christ.

Pareve wrote: Oh, and I would also like to ask that people refrain from referring to Jesus as "Yoshua" or calling him "Moshiach" because from my perspective, you're just being obnoxious. I know and you know you wouldn't talk about Jesus that way if you weren't talking to a Jew, and frankly, it's annoying.

Well spelling aside (I prefer to use the Anglicised spellings), Jesus is the Messiah. When talking to Christians you're going to have to accept that this is what we believe. We aren't going to refrain from using that word.

cap'n queasy wrote: ieatfood wrote: Uh, its pretty common knowledge--Jews will goto hell.

Only according to anti-semites.

You might want to look at the link ieatfood posted, it's a clip from Borat where a prospective Republican candidate says that Jews are going to Hell. Of course, that may make him anti-semitic, but that isn't ieatfood's fault.

1. Yeah, pretty much. There is no eternal torture. People who have done bad things go through a sort of crucible where they are made clean. It isn't very comfortable, but it isn't permanent, and then they are allowed to enter the world to come.

2. You can call him the messiah. That doesn't bother me. You beileve he is the Messiah, and that doesn't bother me. It's really the Hebrew words and their connotation that I find offensive when used in the concept of Jesus, because in my experience the only people who use that are Jews for Jesus and people who are actively trying to convert Jews. Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe your priest or minister gets up on Sunday (or Saturday if you're Seventh Day Adventist) and gives a sermon and Yoshua the Moschiach and Elohim and Eliyahu HaNavie, but once again, you and I know that isn't true.

3. Borat <3. I am going to see the movie on Friday. High five?

3.

cap'n queasy · Joined: 15 May 2004 Posts: 34968

Quote: It's really the Hebrew words and their connotation that I find offensive when used in the concept of Jesus, because in my experience the only people who use that are Jews for Jesus and people who are actively trying to convert Jews.

The point is not conversion, but believers in YHWH's promises and covenants believe that scriptures like Yirmiyahu 31:27-34 have been completed. They like to show that what is concealed within the Tanahk is revealed in B'rit Hadashah.

Don't take my word for it, examine the scripture and judge for yourself.

But of, course if you don't really want to learn about what Christianity is really all about it would be a waste of effort.

Here's some videos you could watch, if so inclined to kind of get an idea what one believer (me) thinks about God's plan.
http://www.levitt.tv/media/links/ZLV-669.ram
http://www.levitt.tv/media/links/ZLV-1617.ram
http://www.levitt.tv/media/links/ZLV-1618.ram

The first one is an interview with an American/Israeli Torah scholar and scientist (He's Jewish, but no one is trying to convert him :lol: ) with an interesting viewpoint of the scriptures with a view to science.

And the next two are an interview of a Jewish scripture expert who is neither a believer in the B'rit Hadashah or a Rabbinical Jew. He belongs to a group called the Karaites, and, boy, does he have an interesting perspective that you don't run into every day. He will definitely make anyone think about what they believe

I think the commonality that believers of Rabbinical Judaism, New Covenant believers, and Karaites all share is that they all seek the face of YHWH in their daily walk through life.

Anyway, I hope that is helpful and interesting to you. If not, I apologize.

eynon · Posted: Thu Nov 02, 2006 3:15 am Post subject:

cap'n queasy wrote: Quote: It's really the Hebrew words and their connotation that I find offensive when used in the concept of Jesus, because in my experience the only people who use that are Jews for Jesus and people who are actively trying to convert Jews.

The point is not conversion, but believers in YHWH's promises and covenants believe that scriptures like Yirmiyahu 31:27-34 have been completed. They like to show that what is concealed within the Tanahk is revealed in B'rit Hadashah.

Don't take my word for it, examine the scripture and judge for yourself.

But of, course if you don't really want to learn about what Christianity is really all about it would be a waste of effort.

Here's some videos you could watch, if so inclined to kind of get an idea what one believer (me) thinks about God's plan.
http://www.levitt.tv/media/links/ZLV-669.ram
http://www.levitt.tv/media/links/ZLV-1617.ram
http://www.levitt.tv/media/links/ZLV-1618.ram

The first one is an interview with an American believer with an interesting viewpoint of the scriptures.

And the next two are an interview of a Jewish scripture expert who is neither a believer in the B'rit Hadashah or a Rabbinical Jew. He belongs to a group called the Karaites, and, boy, does he have an interesting perspective that you don't run into every day. He will definitely make anyone think about what they believe

I think the commonality that believers of Rabbinical Judaism, New Covenant believers, and Karaites all share is that they all seek the face of YHWH in their walk through life.

Anyway, I hope that is helpful and interesting to you. If not, I apologize.

sadly through the bloody acts of many of our ancestors Cap'n the demons have put a barrier between us and our Jewish siblings. :(

remember:

sadly the blood of millions of Russian, American, British, and Canadian Christains did not erase that stain..........

cap'n queasy · Joined: 15 May 2004 Posts: 34968

It's true, but that is because they were not truely seeking the face of YHWH. If they were they would know that there is no difference between a Jew and Gentile. For the same Lord, over all, is rich unto all who call upon him

eynon · Posted: Thu Nov 02, 2006 3:43 am Post subject:

cap'n queasy wrote: It's true, but that is because they were not truely seeking the face of YHWH. If they were they would know that there is no difference between a Jew and Gentile. For the same Lord, over all, is rich unto all who call upon him

agreed.........although plenty of kids who sought that face fought and died putting an end to the monsters who started the Holocaust, my grand-father and great-uncles among them.

yet despite that, there is still that wall.........although my best friend on earth in Jewish, but many Jews till view us Christians with suspicion and hostility.

course........I've had jews tell me "my people suffered in the holocaust", to which I only smile and reply "my people died stopping it"..........yes I say that out of pride, but it does get people thinking.