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mODULAR mAN · Joined: 13 Oct 2006 Posts: 852 Location: censored

Don't fall for this flag burning crap. It's a political ploy to get idiots out to vote.

antonio62 · Posted: Tue Oct 31, 2006 1:03 pm Post subject:

Clarino wrote: WTF? Where does that come from? Read my second sentence.

I think I may have misinterpreted what you meant.

Quote: My safety? Who said I'm a protestor? My concern is for other folk who might get injured because some t**t decides arson is fun. I'm a caring sort of bloke you know.

Other peoples safey aren't your concern they are theirs and if they feel that they're in danger they can leave. Its pretty simple.

Quote: Really? Why? Would you be more concerned about a man walking towards you who's face you could see, or a man walking towards you in a ski mask?

Hey, if you're so ugly you don't want to show you're face in public that's okay but I doubt that that's the case with most British people who are hiding their faces. :wink:

I wouldn't be concerned if a man was wearing a ski mask or not. It doesn't affect me. I find it annoyance seeing other people I'd rather not have to look at them.

Quote: And you better be ready for a burning flag up the arse. :twisted:

Really? You're a flag burner? Why?

I'd only do it if it became illegal and I had a cause because then I'd get attention.

Quote: Anyone burning the Union Flag near me better be ready for a mouth full of my boot. :twisted:

Really? You assault people? Why?

Boneman · Joined: 24 Feb 2006 Posts: 511

I should think half the people on this sub-forum would go out and find the nearest bobby and start burning various flags infront of him in the event of a ban.

British boy · Joined: 12 Aug 2006 Posts: 324 Location: London

Boneman wrote: I should think half the people on this sub-forum would go out and find the nearest bobby and start burning various flags infront of him in the event of a ban.
I know I would, its a proud statement of democracy which the police really need to learn.

Clarino · Joined: 29 Oct 2006 Posts: 3173 Location: Oop North

antonio62 wrote: Other peoples safey aren't your concern they are theirs and if they feel that they're in danger they can leave. Its pretty simple.

The problem is that people frequently don't realise they are in danger. Then they get hurt (potentially quite badly burned in this case), and require treatment, which drains NHS funds which are paid for by our taxes. In other words, other people's safety really is my concern. And yours.

antonio62 wrote: I wouldn't be concerned if a man was wearing a ski mask or not. It doesn't affect me.

You wouldn't say that if you'd ever been mugged or robbed at knife/gunpoint.

antonio62 wrote: I find it annoyance seeing other people I'd rather not have to look at them.

So wear a blindfold when you go out in public.

antonio62 wrote: Quote: Anyone burning the Union Flag near me better be ready for a mouth full of my boot. :twisted:

Really? You assault people? Why? [/quote]

Not often, but if they deliberately behave in an extremely offensive manner then yes.

British boy wrote: Boneman wrote: I should think half the people on this sub-forum would go out and find the nearest bobby and start burning various flags infront of him in the event of a ban.
I know I would, its a proud statement of democracy which the police really need to learn.

No, it's a rather childish way of saying "You can't tell me what to do so ner!".

slitedeviance · Joined: 02 Sep 2006 Posts: 1507

Clarino wrote: No, it's a rather childish way of saying "You can't tell me what to do so ner!".

If thats the reason for someone burning a flag then they're pretty idiotic, but still entitled to do it.

I agree, if someone is protesting in a dangerous way that puts others at risk then action needs to be taken, but I haven't seen any 'flag burning' related deaths recently.

Clarino · Joined: 29 Oct 2006 Posts: 3173 Location: Oop North

slitedeviance wrote: I agree, if someone is protesting in a dangerous way that puts others at risk then action needs to be taken, but I haven't seen any 'flag burning' related deaths recently.

That's the most important point here, people simply aren't burning flags in this country (at least not that I've seen). If it happens, it should be stopped and the person arrested, but I don't really see any need for new legislation to tackle it, just enforcement of current law.

I'm just saying I wouldn't oppose any anti-flag burning law, redundant as it may be.

mendosan · Joined: 02 May 2006 Posts: 2332

Quote: There should be a general ban on concealing one's face in public (unless riding a motorbike), if Muslims don't like that then they may live in a Muslim nation.

What about private property like shops, etc, I reckon if owned a shop I wouldn't be to keen on someone wearing a mask in my shop.

Clarino · Joined: 29 Oct 2006 Posts: 3173 Location: Oop North

mendosan wrote: Quote: There should be a general ban on concealing one's face in public (unless riding a motorbike), if Muslims don't like that then they may live in a Muslim nation.

What about private property like shops, etc, I reckon if owned a shop I wouldn't be to keen on someone wearing a mask in my shop.

Precisely, in fact most shops near where I live have signs on the doors instructing bikers to remove their helmets.

Spitfire · Joined: 18 Oct 2006 Posts: 96 Location: Manchester

We live in a supposedly free society where we should be allowed to desecrate any symbolic marker (as long as it belongs to yourself and not someone else) in order to make a statement. All this nonsense about the potential to incite violence, offend people or be a health and safety risk is just plain old BS. They are also the usual suspects that are rolled out by people to justify encroaching on civil liberties.

Bonfire Night is coming up and in Lewes they have a procession where people carry burning crosses in order to commemorate the burning of 17 protestants ages ago and also drag around then burn effigies of not only Guy Fawkes but the Pope and other more contemporary figures they have issue with, such as people who have tried to ban the festivities and also Osama Bin Laden. I think this scenario has much more potential to incite violence, offend people and be a health safety risk than a lone person burning a scrap of material with funny patterns on it.

Flag burning, and also burning effigies, is a very powerful symbolic statement - in some instances actions speak louder than words. Anyone who attempts to ban it is not only limiting the public powers of protest (nothing new with the current government and should be expected) but also taking away a symbolic form of communication that transcends language and culture.

Burn, baby, burn!!!

PS - If they do ban flag burning then you could always wipe your arse with the flag instead - gives the same sort of symbolism with the added benefit of being legal.

antonio62 · Posted: Thu Nov 02, 2006 3:15 pm Post subject:

Clarino wrote: The problem is that people frequently don't realise they are in danger. Then they get hurt (potentially quite badly burned in this case), and require treatment, which drains NHS funds which are paid for by our taxes. In other words, other people's safety really is my concern. And yours.

No still not my concern. If you are in favour of having the NHS then you have to remember that stupid people will hurt themselves and you have to pay for it.

Quote: You wouldn't say that if you'd ever been mugged or robbed at knife/gunpoint.

Nope wouldn't say any different.

Quote: So wear a blindfold when you go out in public.

That would be rather stupid thing to do.

Quote: Not often, but if they deliberately behave in an extremely offensive manner then yes.

They ahven't harmed you so why do you wish to harm other people?