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Boneman · Joined: 24 Feb 2006 Posts: 511

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6095260.stm
How does flag burning, in the words of a Labour MP, "has the power to incite violence." I do not see one good reason why this should become law, and many reasons wy it shoudn't. Opinions?

DSwain · Joined: 09 Jun 2006 Posts: 3552

Absolutely ridiculous idea

MoscowMatt · Joined: 16 Sep 2005 Posts: 1458 Location: UK / Hungary

Boneman wrote: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6095260.stm
How does flag burning, in the words of a Labour MP, "has the power to incite violence." I do not see one good reason why this should become law, and many reasons wy it shoudn't. Opinions?

Damn! Do you think I will get a refund on the Iranian flag I brought to chuck on the bonfire on 5th November?!!! :wink: :lol: :lol:

Pebble · Joined: 12 Nov 2005 Posts: 1143

Flag burning is a symbol, make it a crime or not and it will still happen - it will in fact probably become more significant as it would also be an act of civil disobidience.

mendosan · Joined: 02 May 2006 Posts: 2292

Insane, however I do see a case for requiring people to show there faces at demonstrations,.

slitedeviance · Joined: 02 Sep 2006 Posts: 1507

mendosan wrote: Insane, however I do see a case for requiring people to show there faces at demonstrations,.

Agreed. It seems strange that you're out there trying to represent your viewpoint but don't have the courage to show you're face...

Lord Hargreaves · Posted: Sun Oct 29, 2006 3:06 pm Post subject:

mendosan wrote: Insane, however I do see a case for requiring people to show there faces at demonstrations,.

and just to illustrate the lunacy of such an idea, it is made clear that there will be an exemption for the muslim veil... precisely when this is aimed at islamic demonstrations! what a way to demonstrate the hollow nature of the idea!

DSwain · Joined: 09 Jun 2006 Posts: 3552

Lord Hargreaves wrote: mendosan wrote: Insane, however I do see a case for requiring people to show there faces at demonstrations,.

and just to illustrate the lunacy of such an idea, it is made clear that there will be an exemption for the muslim veil... precisely when this is aimed at islamic demonstrations! what a way to demonstrate the hollow nature of the idea!

In which case I'd be tempted to go to a demo and wear a veil - if I was arrested surely a case of religious discrimination. And of course of impersonating a woman IF it's really women under those things.

antonio62 · Posted: Sun Oct 29, 2006 4:49 pm Post subject:

How are they defining flag? Is it soley flags of countries or would the EU flag be included or what about plitical party flags? In anycase it is a totally idioti idea.

Clarino · Joined: 29 Oct 2006 Posts: 3173 Location: Oop North

Why limit it to flags?

Burning anything in a public street as a form of protest is not only going beyond the boundaries of "peaceful demonstration" but is actually rather dangerous.

There should be a general ban on concealing one's face in public (unless riding a motorbike), if Muslims don't like that then they may live in a Muslim nation.

Anyone burning the Union Flag near me better be ready for a mouth full of my boot. :twisted:

slitedeviance · Joined: 02 Sep 2006 Posts: 1507

Clarino wrote: Anyone burning the Union Flag near me better be ready for a mouth full of my boot. :twisted:

Well if the situation ever called for it I'd be ready willing and waiting!

DSwain · Joined: 09 Jun 2006 Posts: 3552

antonio62 wrote: How are they defining flag? Is it soley flags of countries or would the EU flag be included or what about plitical party flags? In anycase it is a totally idioti idea.

Burning the EU flag should be obligatory - maybe fold it into Guy Fawkes or Christmas celebrations??

:wink:

Clarino · Joined: 29 Oct 2006 Posts: 3173 Location: Oop North

slitedeviance wrote: Clarino wrote: Anyone burning the Union Flag near me better be ready for a mouth full of my boot. :twisted:

Well if the situation ever called for it I'd be ready willing and waiting!

To be kicked in the mouth? :? :ouch:

I've said it before, and I'll say it again, Welsh folk are a wierd lot! :wink:

slitedeviance · Joined: 02 Sep 2006 Posts: 1507

Clarino wrote: I've said it before, and I'll say it again, Welsh folk are a wierd lot! :wink:

WTF is with the Welsh? It's quite clearly a Chinese dragon.....

antonio62 · Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 4:37 pm Post subject:

Clarino wrote: Why limit it to flags?

The logical continuation of this would eb to ban the burning of everything because anything being burnt could be seen as offending someone.

Quote: Burning anything in a public street as a form of protest is not only going beyond the boundaries of "peaceful demonstration" but is actually rather dangerous.

If you feel your safety is inpaired why not move to a different part of the protest?

Quote: There should be a general ban on concealing one's face in public (unless riding a motorbike), if Muslims don't like that then they may live in a Muslim nation.

I'd rather a general ban on people showing their faces.

Quote: Anyone burning the Union Flag near me better be ready for a mouth full of my boot. :twisted:

And you better be ready for a burning flag up the arse. :twisted:

British boy · Joined: 12 Aug 2006 Posts: 324 Location: London

Is there an onslaught of flag burning going on I didnt know about?
*looks around for lighter*

British boy · Joined: 12 Aug 2006 Posts: 324 Location: London

As much as I love some of the things labour have done they love to remove civil liberties

angusrae · Joined: 24 Feb 2005 Posts: 966 Location: Falkirk Scotland

antonio62 wrote: Clarino wrote: Why limit it to flags?

The logical continuation of this would eb to ban the burning of everything because anything being burnt could be seen as offending someone.

Quote: Burning anything in a public street as a form of protest is not only going beyond the boundaries of "peaceful demonstration" but is actually rather dangerous.

If you feel your safety is inpaired why not move to a different part of the protest?

Quote: There should be a general ban on concealing one's face in public (unless riding a motorbike), if Muslims don't like that then they may live in a Muslim nation.

I'd rather a general ban on people showing their faces.

Quote: Anyone burning the Union Flag near me better be ready for a mouth full of my boot. :twisted:

And you better be ready for a burning flag up the arse. :twisted:

:clap: Aye and if he disnae shove it far enough I'll gie it a helpin hand we yon queenie's sceptre

But in all seriousness burning flags is quite insulting and something we should frown upon but it isn't a crime and nor should it be their are a few flags which should be burned and The Butchers Apron should be no more protected than any other if you really want to protest this buy a US and a UK flag tie it to a Palestinian or Jihad Flag and burn both no flag has or ever will be worth the blood which is shed for them.

Clarino · Joined: 29 Oct 2006 Posts: 3173 Location: Oop North

slitedeviance wrote: Clarino wrote: I've said it before, and I'll say it again, Welsh folk are a wierd lot! :wink:

WTF is with the Welsh? It's quite clearly a Chinese dragon.....

Sorry chief, can't see the difference myself. Never quite understood why the Welsh had a dragon for their national symbol. No offence intended.

antonio62 wrote: Clarino wrote: Why limit it to flags?

The logical continuation of this would eb to ban the burning of everything because anything being burnt could be seen as offending someone.

WTF? Where does that come from? Read my second sentence.

antonio62 wrote: Quote: Burning anything in a public street as a form of protest is not only going beyond the boundaries of "peaceful demonstration" but is actually rather dangerous.

If you feel your safety is inpaired why not move to a different part of the protest?

My safety? Who said I'm a protestor? My concern is for other folk who might get injured because some t**t decides arson is fun. I'm a caring sort of bloke you know.

antonio62 wrote: Quote: There should be a general ban on concealing one's face in public (unless riding a motorbike), if Muslims don't like that then they may live in a Muslim nation.

I'd rather a general ban on people showing their faces.

Really? Why? Would you be more concerned about a man walking towards you who's face you could see, or a man walking towards you in a ski mask?

Hey, if you're so ugly you don't want to show you're face in public that's okay but I doubt that that's the case with most British people who are hiding their faces. :wink:

antonio62 wrote: Quote: Anyone burning the Union Flag near me better be ready for a mouth full of my boot. :twisted:

And you better be ready for a burning flag up the arse. :twisted: [/quote]

Really? You're a flag burner? Why?

British boy wrote: Is there an onslaught of flag burning going on I didnt know about?

You a West Wing fan by any chance?

It's a good point, but I still think that it (flag burning) should be discouraged.

slitedeviance · Joined: 02 Sep 2006 Posts: 1507

Clarino wrote: slitedeviance wrote: Clarino wrote: I've said it before, and I'll say it again, Welsh folk are a wierd lot! :wink:

WTF is with the Welsh? It's quite clearly a Chinese dragon.....

Sorry chief, can't see the difference myself. Never quite understood why the Welsh had a dragon for their national symbol. No offence intended.

None taken, sorry but I had about 10 PMs yesterday all along the lines of "I didn't know you were welsh!"... go figure eh!

Quote: It's a good point, but I still think that it (flag burning) should be discouraged.

Definately, but it's still someones right to do so as an act of dissent (until it becomes illegal!!). The question is what is more important, saving as much freedom as possible, or a piece of nylon that costs £2.99 from a sports store!

("My daddy fought in Nam for my flag!" "Really? Mine was made in Korea")