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Requiem Of Rose · Joined: 29 Oct 2006 Posts: 78

I will start this out by Introducing myself. I am currently 18 as of 10 minutes of posting this. ( typically to late to vote for the November 7th elections). The story begins with a very discontent and defiant almost straight A ( and very lazy) student as far back as Middle school.

All kids have a discontent with authority and there where few who I truly respected how ever I was always the brightest in the room and fastest to turn in assignments ( and leisurely turned in home work while still Aceing tests)... The accounts is every thing wrong with a small government that does not even honor policies of the larger government for the most part.

In school students are striped of their right to freedom of speech and religion.. recently In Florida several high schools have striped the right to wear religious symbols such as Crosses and pentagrams.

Clearly these things violate constitutional rights guaranteed to U.S citizens Upon the first breathe you draw as a legal citizen. any opposition or comments discontent with these arrangements are promptly done away with.. threatened by administrative action on false pretences to the actual authority bestowed to them as administrators.

The leads of this is control over information coming down into youth groups. Primarily I have noticed the conservative voice amongst teacher faculty in the regions do not last long. By observations I have self concluded I am not alone in having been oppressed in this case...

critically important is the fact that they are training a generation to be content with being opressed by authority and its effectiveness is shown by students gaining the "oh well, what can I anyways" attitude. It should be necessary for me to point out where this is harmful to society... an attitude of nature is a form of brainwashing and leads to pessimistic outlooks of life in all aspects including government.

well, This is about it for My first post.

Topside · Joined: 13 Mar 2005 Posts: 1670

Nicely done. However, public schools are... well... public. If you went to a private school you could wear whatever they allow you to wear (like crosses or pentagrams). But a public school is run by the government, therefore it would be discrimiation to allow one article of religion and not another. So they outlaw them rather than allowing them all. I guess.

Requiem Of Rose · Joined: 29 Oct 2006 Posts: 78

No It would not be discrimante.. Its constentunional... You are allowed to wear a cross or a pentragram in public... you are entitled to say merry christmas... if your relgion says you should wear a 2foot long gold cross around your neck a Police officer cannot stop you so why can a teacher?

why in public schools are we not granted the public rights suposably garanteed by the Consitution of the United states?

Divinity11 · Joined: 14 Oct 2004 Posts: 4098 Location: The Dirty

Requiem Of Rose wrote: No It would not be discrimante.. Its constentunional... You are allowed to wear a cross or a pentragram in public... you are entitled to say merry christmas... if your relgion says you should wear a 2foot long gold cross around your neck a Police officer cannot stop you so why can a teacher?

why in public schools are we not granted the public rights suposably garanteed by the Consitution of the United states?

Welcome to the boards.

Every institution is allowed to do what is good for that institution. Educators and the administration have the right to disallow anything they feel would be distraction to the learning process.

Rules are not necessarily a bad thing. Sometimes you may not agree with them, but should still respect them, as a ruleless society would lead to total anarchy. It's okay to rebel, but obviously there are limits. I may legally be allowed to carry and possess a firearm, but may not be allowed to bring it into a school.

You're young. One day it will become quite clear as to why things in your school were the way they were.

beachbum bob · Posted: Sun Oct 29, 2006 9:51 am Post subject:

Requiem Of Rose wrote: No It would not be discrimante.. Its constentunional... You are allowed to wear a cross or a pentragram in public... you are entitled to say merry christmas... if your relgion says you should wear a 2foot long gold cross around your neck a Police officer cannot stop you so why can a teacher?

why in public schools are we not granted the public rights suposably garanteed by the Consitution of the United states?

As a former a school board member...I can say simply that the public school is responsible for all children attending the schools and in that responsibility, comes rules and limits. What is done in the school, at school functions, and on school grounds falls under that responsibility that is granted by the voters and the taxpayers of that school district....and the school board has the power and the responsibility to institute rules

As an employee at business may have a constitutional right to stand up in the middle of the office to cuss out the boss but their is no constitutional right that prevents that employee from losing their job. In the "private" sector, the employer can limit "constitutional rights" such as speech, what religious symbols can be (or not) be displayed, what manner of dress is tolerated....what manner of "unreasonable searches" can be done...as an employee has whatever rights the employer grants them as the contract of employment...and circumcedes the constitutional rights

the same applies to public and private schools

Requiem Of Rose · Joined: 29 Oct 2006 Posts: 78

I was Under the Impression that Idealy the Constitution was law... I watch administators and teachers go out side their authority constatly and no one questions them. Those that do are very quickly played down... and suspended for Ludacrtist reasons...

The constitiution of the United states protects all U.S citizens including minors... I under stand some things... But striping minors of rights to freedom of speach and relgious exspression can be greatly damaging to mentality. and By surpressing these rights a small government brushes Dangerously close to Socialism. A system at which the leaders arnt to be questioned Regardless of wheather they are right or wrong. Training kids not to question the wrongs of a authority can be very dangerous indeed, On top of surpessing some means of indviduality. Its trainings kids to accept things from governments later in life to beileve there is nothing they can do about it... and if they try they will get struck down like that Japanese chick in High school.

foadi · Joined: 09 Nov 2005 Posts: 13704 Location: bangkok thailand

Requiem Of Rose wrote: I will start this out by Introducing myself. I am currently 18 as of 10 minutes of posting this. ( typically to late to vote for the November 7th elections).
That's not true. You missed the registration deadline, but you don't need to be eighteen to register to vote; you simply have to turn eighteen before the election you plan on voting in.

As for the rest of your post, here's a suggestion: educate yourself.

Requiem Of Rose · Joined: 29 Oct 2006 Posts: 78

Educate Myself In what terms dear =) since you where so kind to Point out I made a Mistake In the most cold of Manors,Please be so kind as to be More specific to which end should I seek this education. ^___^

- Minako Ishikawa

foadi · Joined: 09 Nov 2005 Posts: 13704 Location: bangkok thailand

you seem bitter about the fact that the US uses the prussian model for public education. if you don't like it then drop out and enroll in a private school or teach yourself.

Requiem Of Rose · Joined: 29 Oct 2006 Posts: 78

I Got My GED March 21, 2004. I am now enrolled in a Poltical science Major. Any further questions?....

I am Not content to allow a system riddled with failures and increasingly failing resaults on the National scale. to remain a Failing system. I am not content to let it reach a Point where the next generations are surpressed and brain washed by Teacher's personal views and administrators thinking they acomplished somethign in their life because they made it to a piss-ad office. But they get a comfertable chair.

=) sorry But I am not one that is content to allow Failures to repeat them selfs and go un questioned and un noticed.

beachbum bob · Posted: Sun Oct 29, 2006 6:49 pm Post subject:

Requiem Of Rose wrote: I was Under the Impression that Idealy the Constitution was law... I watch administators and teachers go out side their authority constatly and no one questions them. Those that do are very quickly played down... and suspended for Ludacrtist reasons...

The constitiution of the United states protects all U.S citizens including minors... I under stand some things... But striping minors of rights to freedom of speach and relgious exspression can be greatly damaging to mentality. and By surpressing these rights a small government brushes Dangerously close to Socialism. A system at which the leaders arnt to be questioned Regardless of wheather they are right or wrong. Training kids not to question the wrongs of a authority can be very dangerous indeed, On top of surpessing some means of indviduality. Its trainings kids to accept things from governments later in life to beileve there is nothing they can do about it... and if they try they will get struck down like that Japanese chick in High school.

the constitution specifies the rights of the citizens in regards to the govt...where the limits are placed on what the govt can do to its citizens. It does not rule what a private entity can do with its employees who have to abide to rules of the employer....as part of the contract of employment. In most cultures kids are not considered adults and a different set of rules apply to them...thats why juvenile laws are in place in most countries. Laws that apply to adults and not applied to children not of age. That is why a 6yr can't get a drivers license because age related restrictions are not prevented by the constitution

beachbum bob · Posted: Sun Oct 29, 2006 6:56 pm Post subject:

Requiem Of Rose wrote: I Got My GED March 21, 2004. I am now enrolled in a Poltical science Major. Any further questions?....

I am Not content to allow a system riddled with failures and increasingly failing resaults on the National scale. to remain a Failing system. I am not content to let it reach a Point where the next generations are surpressed and brain washed by Teacher's personal views and administrators thinking they acomplished somethign in their life because they made it to a piss-ad office. But they get a comfertable chair.

=) sorry But I am not one that is content to allow Failures to repeat them selfs and go un questioned and un noticed.

if the education system is riddled with failures...the problem usually lies in the lack of involvement of the parents into what their kids are doing and into what is happening in the classroom. Public education upto High School is learning the basics of education and learning....the critical thinking and application comes with college, graduate and post-graduate levels. A 16yr has little chance in understanding Descarte or metaphysics

Rhoades · Joined: 24 Jun 2005 Posts: 1169 Location: Pennsylvania

beachbum bob wrote: Requiem Of Rose wrote: I was Under the Impression that Idealy the Constitution was law... I watch administators and teachers go out side their authority constatly and no one questions them. Those that do are very quickly played down... and suspended for Ludacrtist reasons...

The constitiution of the United states protects all U.S citizens including minors... I under stand some things... But striping minors of rights to freedom of speach and relgious exspression can be greatly damaging to mentality. and By surpressing these rights a small government brushes Dangerously close to Socialism. A system at which the leaders arnt to be questioned Regardless of wheather they are right or wrong. Training kids not to question the wrongs of a authority can be very dangerous indeed, On top of surpessing some means of indviduality. Its trainings kids to accept things from governments later in life to beileve there is nothing they can do about it... and if they try they will get struck down like that Japanese chick in High school.

the constitution specifies the rights of the citizens in regards to the govt...where the limits are placed on what the govt can do to its citizens. It does not rule what a private entity can do with its employees who have to abide to rules of the employer....as part of the contract of employment. In most cultures kids are not considered adults and a different set of rules apply to them...thats why juvenile laws are in place in most countries. Laws that apply to adults and not applied to children not of age. That is why a 6yr can't get a drivers license because age related restrictions are not prevented by the constitution
Public Schools are private entities?

Requiem Of Rose · Joined: 29 Oct 2006 Posts: 78

I am 99.9% sure that Teachers and adminstrators and school board members. recieve checks from the state or the county... In any case it makes them empolyed by the government... and since public schools are tax and thus government funded... My arguement stands...

beachbum bob · Posted: Sun Oct 29, 2006 8:27 pm Post subject:

Requiem Of Rose wrote: I am 99.9% sure that Teachers and adminstrators and school board members. recieve checks from the state or the county... In any case it makes them empolyed by the government... and since public schools are tax and thus government funded... My arguement stands...

obviously your argument only stands with you because in practice, it doesn't stand as its been explained...

kids are not adults

The Newb · Joined: 06 Oct 2006 Posts: 2668

Requiem Of Rose wrote: I Got My GED March 21, 2004. I am now enrolled in a Poltical science Major. Any further questions?....

I am Not content to allow a system riddled with failures and increasingly failing resaults on the National scale. to remain a Failing system. I am not content to let it reach a Point where the next generations are surpressed and brain washed by Teacher's personal views and administrators thinking they acomplished somethign in their life because they made it to a piss-ad office. But they get a comfertable chair.

=) sorry But I am not one that is content to allow Failures to repeat them selfs and go un questioned and un noticed.

then change it you have the power and the ability to all peopel do complaining will not change it action will

beachbum bob · Posted: Sun Oct 29, 2006 8:42 pm Post subject:

Requiem Of Rose wrote: I am 99.9% sure that Teachers and adminstrators and school board members. recieve checks from the state or the county... In any case it makes them empolyed by the government... and since public schools are tax and thus government funded... My arguement stands...

govt employees do not have absolute constitutional rights either...they have abide by whatever standards that are in place.... A National Security employee does not have the freedom of speech...what he can say is limited....A serviceman has the UCMJ which replaces the constitution for what deem their rights....

what you don't know about the constitution and limits placed on people because of employment, whether private or public is amazing....

Requiem Of Rose · Joined: 29 Oct 2006 Posts: 78

Reasonable instences.. where is it reasonable to be able say that kids cannot where any logoed shirts... or cannot where sympols that hint to their faith regardless of what it is... Kids arnt adults... but children are still U.S citizens... and even in your examples teachers being the employees them selfs... have the freedom of speach in text of every day use...students can be pushed around for what ever the teachers feal like doing to push them around... and so your depends on the mood of a fat and under paid lady that more than often will preach her personal views into lessons... But you cannot respond with your views nor can you do any thing to ignore them or its deemed as disrepectful...

"kids are not adults" hold no weight to "kids are still american citizens" and should atleast be entitled to the basics of rights. when opposed by such terrany in any event.

Nathyn · Joined: 25 Sep 2005 Posts: 7705 Location: The Great Satan

Requiem Of Rose wrote: I will start this out by Introducing myself. I am currently 18 as of 10 minutes of posting this. ( typically to late to vote for the November 7th elections). The story begins with a very discontent and defiant almost straight A ( and very lazy) student as far back as Middle school.

All kids have a discontent with authority and there where few who I truly respected how ever I was always the brightest in the room and fastest to turn in assignments ( and leisurely turned in home work while still Aceing tests)... The accounts is every thing wrong with a small government that does not even honor policies of the larger government for the most part.

In school students are striped of their right to freedom of speech and religion.. recently In Florida several high schools have striped the right to wear religious symbols such as Crosses and pentagrams.

Clearly these things violate constitutional rights guaranteed to U.S citizens Upon the first breathe you draw as a legal citizen. any opposition or comments discontent with these arrangements are promptly done away with.. threatened by administrative action on false pretences to the actual authority bestowed to them as administrators.

The leads of this is control over information coming down into youth groups. Primarily I have noticed the conservative voice amongst teacher faculty in the regions do not last long. By observations I have self concluded I am not alone in having been oppressed in this case...

critically important is the fact that they are training a generation to be content with being opressed by authority and its effectiveness is shown by students gaining the "oh well, what can I anyways" attitude. It should be necessary for me to point out where this is harmful to society... an attitude of nature is a form of brainwashing and leads to pessimistic outlooks of life in all aspects including government.

well, This is about it for My first post.
Oh, please tell me this is a joke.

Exsperience? To late? How ever? Aceing? Striped?

Failure of the Educational system, indeed.

blockhead · Joined: 29 Oct 2006 Posts: 597 Location: SouthWest

Requiem

Are you a product of the US educational system or the Japanese educational system. Are you a US citizen or a Japanese citizen?

Just curious.