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airo · Joined: 31 Jul 2004 Posts: 2583 Location: Tampa, Florida

MassMark wrote: Another chime-in away from Glock and toward ParaOrdinance. I have literally 10,000 rounds downtown through my Glock 22. Most were in .40 S&W, but last year, I converted to .357 Sig. It's an awesome pistol - truly, but does not hold even a faint candle to my ParaOrdinance. It also does not even come close to my HK P7M8. Find a range that rents guns. Fire 2 mags through a Glock - then fire 2 mags through a ParaOrdinance 12.45 LDA. You will quickly learn which pistol is superior in every way and it won't be black and start with the letter "G"... :) The FBI doesn't issue them for no reason...

I have a PO Tac-Four. It jams after 60-100 rounds because the firearm was badly designed. (Fouling actually prevents positive feeding leading to stove pipes.)

I've talked to two other people i know who have Tac-Fours, and they experience the same issues.

I wanted to like the pistol i spent 800 dollars on. I wanted to like it more than my Glock. I mean, common sense tells me, if you pay more money for it, it should be better, right? Well, if a gun won't fire every time i pull the trigger, i don't like it.

MassMark · Joined: 22 Nov 2004 Posts: 1555 Location: Massachusetts

airo wrote: MassMark wrote: Another chime-in away from Glock and toward ParaOrdinance. I have literally 10,000 rounds downtown through my Glock 22. Most were in .40 S&W, but last year, I converted to .357 Sig. It's an awesome pistol - truly, but does not hold even a faint candle to my ParaOrdinance. It also does not even come close to my HK P7M8. Find a range that rents guns. Fire 2 mags through a Glock - then fire 2 mags through a ParaOrdinance 12.45 LDA. You will quickly learn which pistol is superior in every way and it won't be black and start with the letter "G"... :) The FBI doesn't issue them for no reason...

I have a PO Tac-Four. It jams after 60-100 rounds because the firearm was badly designed. (Fouling actually prevents positive feeding leading to stove pipes.)

I've talked to two other people i know who have Tac-Fours, and they experience the same issues.

I wanted to like the pistol i spent 800 dollars on. I wanted to like it more than my Glock. I mean, common sense tells me, if you pay more money for it, it should be better, right? Well, if a gun won't fire every time i pull the trigger, i don't like it.

Wow - that's the first I've heard of that. Did you send it back to Para? In August, I took my nephew to the range, (reward for straight A's) and we fired 9 boxes of mixed .45 (S&B hardball, Winchester Hp, Eagle FMJ, Winchester 185). Zero problems, except one ftf when he released the slidle lock. I did a basic cleaning then and have been shooting it 50-100 rounds a week on the way home from work - no issues at all. My buddy shoots competition with his 14.45 and has beyond 15,000 rounds through it and other than a barrel replacement at 12,000 - it's never jammed - he also carries it as his duty weapon and a ParaCarry, (like mine) for plain clothes/back-up. He had a department issue Glock 17 KB on him a few years ago and won't even keep one in his house.

Snake · Joined: 10 Oct 2006 Posts: 21776 Location: e-Thuggin

I have a Kimber 1911 clone in 9mm, shoots wonderfully. Haven't had any problems, except when it was time to change springs. Other than that, I keep it well oiled and well maintained and it does what it's supposed to do.

airo · Joined: 31 Jul 2004 Posts: 2583 Location: Tampa, Florida

MassMark wrote: airo wrote: MassMark wrote: Another chime-in away from Glock and toward ParaOrdinance. I have literally 10,000 rounds downtown through my Glock 22. Most were in .40 S&W, but last year, I converted to .357 Sig. It's an awesome pistol - truly, but does not hold even a faint candle to my ParaOrdinance. It also does not even come close to my HK P7M8. Find a range that rents guns. Fire 2 mags through a Glock - then fire 2 mags through a ParaOrdinance 12.45 LDA. You will quickly learn which pistol is superior in every way and it won't be black and start with the letter "G"... :) The FBI doesn't issue them for no reason...

I have a PO Tac-Four. It jams after 60-100 rounds because the firearm was badly designed. (Fouling actually prevents positive feeding leading to stove pipes.)

I've talked to two other people i know who have Tac-Fours, and they experience the same issues.

I wanted to like the pistol i spent 800 dollars on. I wanted to like it more than my Glock. I mean, common sense tells me, if you pay more money for it, it should be better, right? Well, if a gun won't fire every time i pull the trigger, i don't like it.

Wow - that's the first I've heard of that. Did you send it back to Para? In August, I took my nephew to the range, (reward for straight A's) and we fired 9 boxes of mixed .45 (S&B hardball, Winchester Hp, Eagle FMJ, Winchester 185). Zero problems, except one ftf when he released the slidle lock. I did a basic cleaning then and have been shooting it 50-100 rounds a week on the way home from work - no issues at all. My buddy shoots competition with his 14.45 and has beyond 15,000 rounds through it and other than a barrel replacement at 12,000 - it's never jammed - he also carries it as his duty weapon and a ParaCarry, (like mine) for plain clothes/back-up. He had a department issue Glock 17 KB on him a few years ago and won't even keep one in his house.

kBs are almost exclusivly related to misuse of a firearm by the user. (Using reloaded ammunition in your firearm is misusing it. The manual for most firearms explicitly states not to, especially in pistols.) On top of that, they're almost ALWAYS ammo, as opposed to firearm, related.

I bought the Tac-Four used, so i can't send it back to PO.

private_citizen · Joined: 27 Aug 2006 Posts: 575 Location: New Hampshire

Onevote wrote: I have quite a few long guns, but really no place to shoot since I have yet to find a local range that is more than 75 yards. So I have been moving more towards pistols for plinking. I have a few already, but am looking for a top of the line shooter in 40 or 45 cal. . Any suggestions?

I love my Kimber.

perdidochas · Joined: 06 Mar 2006 Posts: 15424 Location: Florida

Onevote wrote: I have quite a few long guns, but really no place to shoot since I have yet to find a local range that is more than 75 yards. So I have been moving more towards pistols for plinking. I have a few already, but am looking for a top of the line shooter in 40 or 45 cal. . Any suggestions?

Personally, I would buy a 10mm of some kind, if looking at an auto pistol. Probably a CZ-75 or a Glock. If looking at a revolver, I would probably choose a .41 Magnum S&W. That is if you're looking at the .40/.45 realm. Now, if your main objective is plinking, get a good .22 semi-auto. Another option, though would be a .357 Revolver, which is about the most versatile gun you could buy--you can get almost everything from light wadcutter target .38 Special ammunition to full .357 Magnum hunting ammunition.

JLB · Joined: 26 Aug 2004 Posts: 26454 Location: Casa del JLB

perdidochas wrote: Onevote wrote: I have quite a few long guns, but really no place to shoot since I have yet to find a local range that is more than 75 yards. So I have been moving more towards pistols for plinking. I have a few already, but am looking for a top of the line shooter in 40 or 45 cal. . Any suggestions?

Personally, I would buy a 10mm of some kind, if looking at an auto pistol. Probably a CZ-75 or a Glock. If looking at a revolver, I would probably choose a .41 Magnum S&W. That is if you're looking at the .40/.45 realm. Now, if your main objective is plinking, get a good .22 semi-auto. Another option, though would be a .357 Revolver, which is about the most versatile gun you could buy--you can get almost everything from light wadcutter target .38 Special ammunition to full .357 Magnum hunting ammunition.

I shoot a CZ-75 BD in competition, and also a Glock 19. In Revolver I shoot two tuned S&Ws, either a Model 66 with full moon clip conversion, or my 625 .45 acp.

I carry Glocks a lot, out of conveience and durability, but it's been a very difficult pistol for me to master. I shoot my CZ far better, or a 1911, or even a revolver.

Did somebody say 10mm?

I've got close to $2 grand into my Delta Elite, and yes I carry and compete with it sometimes.

It started off as this:

Notice it's an "enhanced model", with angular slide serrations, and relieved under the trigger. Those used to be "Gold Cup" features, until the last few years of Colt's 1911s.

Cogan's Custom did all of the work, including hard chroming it, as they own Accurate Plating.

Bar-Sto Match Barrel, McCormick Parts, stippled front strap, fiber optic sight, McCormick rear sight, Simonich Gunner grips (last pair he made before he died).

It's powerful, accurate, and compact, but you had better eat your Wheaties!

mr48768 · Joined: 08 Nov 2006 Posts: 1

9mm beretta

ND4SPD · Joined: 08 Nov 2006 Posts: 4

If you want a .45, you might want to look into an H&K USP .45. Fantastic pistols. I have a left-handed version, my brother and my one of my best friends both have right handed versions. Out of the three there have only been 2 jams ever (we have long since lost track of how many rounds we are putting through them). The first jam was with a CCI .45 birdshot round in my friend's (not surprising since the cartridge design is a little screwey). The second was from a Wolf Ammo cartridge (in my brothers USP). He took the remainder of the box back to the gun shop for a refund. When the shop owner asked him what gun he had been firing them from and heard that it was a USP .45 he made no further arguement and gave my brother his money back.

If you just want a pistol for plinking, don't overlook the Walther P22. My brother picked one up for right around $200 and he maintains it's probably the best $200 he ever spent. I've fired it myself and it's wonderful for plinking or light shooting. Very accurate as well. I would steer clear of 10mm if it were me, but that's because the ammo is pretty expensive (and hard to find). If I were to go 9mm I would either get a Walther P99 or an HK P7M8. The ergonomics on the Walther P99s are stellar. They're light, comfortable, the recoil is obviously much lighter than a .45 and the ammo is very inexpensive. The HK P7M8 is the gun I would buy if we ever get a shall-issue conceal/carry bill passed here. The squeeze-cocker makes it the best pull and shoot gun I've ever used. The downside to the P7 is that they are semi-collectables and run $1000+.

wyldejackyl · Joined: 10 Apr 2006 Posts: 7195 Location: Chicago, IL

The government/nanny says I might hurt myself with a handgun. Some bullets are more dangerous than others, I guess.

I shot a Springfield XD-90 in 9mm, a SiG P226 in 9mm, a Beretta model 92 in 9mm, a glock (can't remember the number, but that double-action trigger made me feel uncomfortable) in 9mm, and a Kimber .45. Out of all of them, I think the SiG is my favorite. The Kimber felt best in my hand as the grip isn't enormously thick, but I fatigued easily after only 50 rounds of shooting (I can place the shots accurately enough at 25 yards, meaning within about a 8-10" circle, but my wrist hurt after that).

Onevote · Joined: 18 Sep 2004 Posts: 1688 Location: Tampa, Florida

ND4SPD wrote: If you want a .45, you might want to look into an H&K USP .45. Fantastic pistols. I have a left-handed version, my brother and my one of my best friends both have right handed versions. Out of the three there have only been 2 jams ever (we have long since lost track of how many rounds we are putting through them). The first jam was with a CCI .45 birdshot round in my friend's (not surprising since the cartridge design is a little screwey). The second was from a Wolf Ammo cartridge (in my brothers USP). He took the remainder of the box back to the gun shop for a refund. When the shop owner asked him what gun he had been firing them from and heard that it was a USP .45 he made no further arguement and gave my brother his money back.

If you just want a pistol for plinking, don't overlook the Walther P22. My brother picked one up for right around $200 and he maintains it's probably the best $200 he ever spent. I've fired it myself and it's wonderful for plinking or light shooting. Very accurate as well. I would steer clear of 10mm if it were me, but that's because the ammo is pretty expensive (and hard to find). If I were to go 9mm I would either get a Walther P99 or an HK P7M8. The ergonomics on the Walther P99s are stellar. They're light, comfortable, the recoil is obviously much lighter than a .45 and the ammo is very inexpensive. The HK P7M8 is the gun I would buy if we ever get a shall-issue conceal/carry bill passed here. The squeeze-cocker makes it the best pull and shoot gun I've ever used. The downside to the P7 is that they are semi-collectables and run $1000+. I have a P22, and love the little thing. I have had my eye on the P7 as well as the P99. But Every time I go shopping I end up getting something else. In the end I bought a Gary Reeder custom 1911 this time. The next time I get the bug I'll be looking the usual suspects, P99, Glock 17, H&K P7 or maybe a Barreta 92.

private_citizen · Joined: 27 Aug 2006 Posts: 575 Location: New Hampshire

I guess it would depend on what you want it for. If you want it for functionality than I would suggest you look into the buying guides and forget about names.

Look at Toyota and Cadillac, if you went by name caddy is where you would go, but if you looked at what lasts the longest on normal everyday wear and tear a Toyota is the clear winner.

But the VW would out do both of them back in the day (My moms VW had over 700,000 miles on it when she SOLD it)

always and I mean always go for that works best, not what looks best. This is not a car we are talking about... I would not want my gun jamming when I am confronted by an intruder at 2am.

Mikate8 · Joined: 05 Oct 2006 Posts: 385 Location: Crazy Florida

I'd want a springfield 1911, one those WWII repro's

bigstick61 · Posted: Thu Nov 09, 2006 9:12 pm Post subject:

Me personally, I'd get a customized 1911-style pistol, probably from Kimber.

For carry, California law allows you to carry up to three weapons if you have a permit. For this, my choices would be a 1911 in .45 ACP, a 1906 Colt or Browning Hammerless Pocket Auto in .25 ACP, and a S&W .38 Special snubnose revolver with a spurless hammer. The 1911 would obviously be the primary weapon, carried in a shoulder holster. The revolver would be a backup which I could also give to somebody in the event I needed armed assistance as it is simple to operate and the spurless hammer makes it so that not only will it not snag, but if I give it to somebody else, they won't **** it without knowing how to decock it; it would be carried in an ankle holster. The pocket auto would be carried in a pocket, and would be a backup and also for those times where concealing one of the other two weapons is impossible or impractical, so that way I can still be armed under such conditions.

Nathan · Joined: 13 Nov 2006 Posts: 46 Location: Florida

Glock 19

stilldizzy · Joined: 11 Nov 2006 Posts: 34

If you like the Glock size, but don't like the 'kiddy trigger' check out the CZ P-01. 14+1 rounds, aluminum frame, SA/DA, and NATO approved. I have three. :-D I also make stainless guide rods for them.

Rankor and Pissing · Joined: 04 Mar 2006 Posts: 9866

I'm getting the itch for an 1858 Navy Colt repro... things about 2 feet long and weighs a ton... no more Eastwood movies for me... breathe... this will pass....

Lucky Luke · Joined: 28 Oct 2005 Posts: 8662 Location: Scotland

private_citizen wrote: I guess it would depend on what you want it for. If you want it for functionality than I would suggest you look into the buying guides and forget about names.

Look at Toyota and Cadillac, if you went by name caddy is where you would go, but if you looked at what lasts the longest on normal everyday wear and tear a Toyota is the clear winner.

But the VW would out do both of them back in the day (My moms VW had over 700,000 miles on it when she SOLD it)

always and I mean always go for that works best, not what looks best. This is not a car we are talking about... I would not want my gun jamming when I am confronted by an intruder at 2am.

Haven't you got a burglar alarm yet Private_Citizen, what are you waiting for?

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wyldejackyl · Joined: 10 Apr 2006 Posts: 7195 Location: Chicago, IL

I think she means for the time between when the burglar alarm goes off, and the 5-10 minutes it takes for the cops to get there, while the criminal is doing what he wants until he's met with a defensive measure.

All a burglar alarm is is noise. I'm not afraid of noise, burglars aren't either. Who's going to stop them? Some big guy named Maurice? Won't mean s**t unless he's armed.

Lucky Luke · Joined: 28 Oct 2005 Posts: 8662 Location: Scotland

wyldejackyl wrote: I think she means for the time between when the burglar alarm goes off, and the 5-10 minutes it takes for the cops to get there, while the criminal is doing what he wants until he's met with a defensive measure.

All a burglar alarm is is noise. I'm not afraid of noise, burglars aren't either. Who's going to stop them? Some big guy named Maurice? Won't mean s**t unless he's armed.

There are no known incidents when a burglar goes through a ringing alarm to assault a home owner, some posters here have tried to find such crimes taking place and failed.

A gun owner without a burglar alarm makes his gun useless as a gun cannot be operated when the home owner is asleep except by the criminal, a burglar alarm can.

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