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the sane voice · Joined: 07 Sep 2006 Posts: 2480

Plato & Socrates wrote:
What next? :lol: No its not racist is it the insane voice. :roll: Delude yourself further my friend. Does it burn your soul so much to admit such a blatently obvious fact? If this sits uncomfortably with your blinkered view of Israel. Then there is'nt much I can do about that.
because you think its racist doesnt make it racist-as i told you before,if you can provide evidence and proof,if terrorists were christians or any other religion and not arab and israel wouldnt do the same,then it will be racist.until then cry wolf all you want.

MoscowMatt · Joined: 16 Sep 2005 Posts: 1458 Location: UK / Hungary

Plato & Socrates wrote: MoscowMatt wrote: Plato & Socrates wrote: . The Jews came from outside as a minority, and decided to declare a state for themselves as a minority.

Ah thanks for putting me right. For a minute there I thought the UN created the state of Israel with the area being chosen because it was the ancient home of the Jews, who were there long before Islam, and Muslims even existed!! :lol:

then I thought that having done this Israel immediately found itself attacked from pretty much all sides and have been trying to defend themselves ever since.

Damn if only you had taught me history instead of all those books written by professors!! :lol:

Moscowmatt I'm a realist. Do not for one second believe that I wish a Jewish state not to exist. Being attacked from all sides is not a explanation of guilt or innocence. We Brits were attacked from all sides in Africa and Asia, does that mean we were the innocent party? As for this pick and mix, choose what parts of the U.N we like and the rest we disregard. Shove it! The U.N has said for Israel to get out of the occupied territory's and yet she refuses to listen and puts more diaspora Jews in those areas as we speak, whilst restricting the growth and expansion of Palestinians. I'm sorry :!oops: Israel does no wrong. :roll:

Please don't make me laugh. :lol: Hypocrisy is a horrible trait. :wink: I'm Anglo Saxon, does that mean I have the right to go back to Denmark-Northern Germany and claim back the land of my forefathers? So why do people like you give this ancient home of the Jewish people bulls**t, as justification for Israels actions? The Palestinians have no history of driving Jews off there lands, or asking anybody to do it on there behalf, for there benefit. The Jewish people stance runs out of morality from the first opening argument. So all you have left is biblical nonsense to fall back on, and we all know where that leads.

Ah but you see the Jews were kicked of their lands (Granted not by the Palestinians). Anglo Saxons were not they chose to move to new lands. Big difference! but had the Jews not been then they would still be there would they not? Instead they spent hundreds of years without their homeland in exile around the world. The UN told Palestnians to budge over not Jews!!

Israel has a right to a peaceful existence. Given the suffering and discrimination the Jews have endured through the centuries is it any surprise they are keen to defend what the have in the face of open hostility all around?

No Israel is not perfect I'd like to see you quote me saying they are. But the fact remains that if they had not been attacked left right and center we would not be where we are today!

the sane voice · Joined: 07 Sep 2006 Posts: 2480

Plato & Socrates wrote: The Palestinians have no history of driving Jews off there lands, or asking anybody to do it on there behalf, for there benefit.
either you havent read anything i told you before,or you didnt believe it,or you are simply lying.
which one is it?be honest.

Pareve · Joined: 30 Aug 2006 Posts: 893

Kach and Kahane Chai are illegal terrorist organizations in Israel. When Hamas is an illegal terrorist organization in Palestine, we will be on the same page.

Genetically speaking, Jews are a 'semitic' people. I think that the Biblical stuff is a bit questionable, but the old city and the ruins didn't build themselves. There is also a lot of historical documentation for Judea and and the Kingdom of Israel outside of the Bible. The Diaspora did happen. God probably didn't promise anyone anything, but that's not the reason that Israel is where it is. It is there because of the cultural connection for the Jewish people. The Zionist movement was not a religious movement. It was a nationalist movement, like any of the other nationalist movements that originated in the early 1900's and late 1800's. I think it would be pretty logically shaky to state that there is no Jewish people.

Plato & Socrates · Joined: 24 Dec 2005 Posts: 1743 Location: London

the sane voice wrote: Plato & Socrates wrote:
What next? :lol: No its not racist is it the insane voice. :roll: Delude yourself further my friend. Does it burn your soul so much to admit such a blatently obvious fact? If this sits uncomfortably with your blinkered view of Israel. Then there is'nt much I can do about that.
because you think its racist doesnt make it racist-as i told you before,if you can provide evidence and proof,if terrorists were christians or any other religion and not arab and israel wouldnt do the same,then it will be racist.until then cry wolf all you want.

:!?: :!?: Extrapolate what your saying the sane voice and replace what Israel is doing for Germany and the Jews in the concentration camps. Then ask yourself if it was anybody else but the Jews, then Germany would'nt have built concentration camps. So therefore they were not racist, because your post makes as much sense as that. :lol:
Look at the facts, not the excuses or reasons. It is not pretty what Israel exercises, what we are discussing here is it? Defend it if you want, but you are only digging a hole for yourself.

Pareve · Joined: 30 Aug 2006 Posts: 893

Oh... And ARAB RIOTS OF THE 1920's HELLO!?! I am not claiming that revenge is legitimate, or that any part of the cycle of violence is justifiable, but you can't pretend that the Palestinians are just sorry little victims.

The Hebron Massacre

1920 Riots

Jaffa Riots

There is bad history and bad blood on both ends of the conflict.

the sane voice · Joined: 07 Sep 2006 Posts: 2480

Plato & Socrates wrote:
:!?: :!?: Extrapolate what your saying the sane voice and replace what Israel is doing for Germany and the Jews in the concentration camps. Then ask yourself if it was anybody else but the Jews, then Germany would'nt have built concentration camps. So therefore they were not racist, because your post makes as much sense as that. :lol:

im guessing you didnt replaced it yourself cause that is my point.germany did it to jews cause they are jews.that makes it racist.you still have no proof but your own opinion.

Plato & Socrates · Joined: 24 Dec 2005 Posts: 1743 Location: London

the sane voice wrote: Plato & Socrates wrote:
:!?: :!?: Extrapolate what your saying the sane voice and replace what Israel is doing for Germany and the Jews in the concentration camps. Then ask yourself if it was anybody else but the Jews, then Germany would'nt have built concentration camps. So therefore they were not racist, because your post makes as much sense as that. :lol:

im guessing you didnt replaced it yourself cause that is my point.germany did it to jews cause they are jews.that makes it racist.you still have no proof but your own opinion.

Where did you go to school? :roll: Define racism, then see if it correlates with Israels land appropreation policy and there policies when conducting the demographic change of the West Bank. Then come back to me with points, how it is not racist but an opinion. :moon:

the sane voice · Joined: 07 Sep 2006 Posts: 2480

Plato & Socrates wrote:

Where did you go to school? :roll: Define racism, then see if it correlates with Israels land appropreation policy and there policies when conducting the demographic change of the West Bank. Then come back to me with points, how it is not racist but an opinion. :moon:
well in my school they thought me how to acquire verbal ability so i can express myself when making an argument.you are the one who called it racist thats mean you are the one who needs to define racism and how it is racist to fight terror,not the opposite.if you lack that ability i will be happy to do it for you.

bunny · Joined: 14 Oct 2006 Posts: 584

the sane voice wrote: germany did it to jews cause they are jews.that makes it racist.

Jews are not a race!

the sane voice · Joined: 07 Sep 2006 Posts: 2480

bunny wrote: the sane voice wrote: germany did it to jews cause they are jews.that makes it racist.

Jews are not a race!
the nazis thought otherwise.

bunny · Joined: 14 Oct 2006 Posts: 584

the sane voice wrote:
well in my school they thought me how to acquire verbal ability so i can express myself when making an argument.you are the one who called it racist thats mean you are the one who needs to define racism and how it is racist to fight terror,not the opposite.if you lack that ability i will be happy to do it for you.

In your school, did they teach about putting a space after you punctuate a sentence?

the sane voice · Joined: 07 Sep 2006 Posts: 2480

bunny wrote: the sane voice wrote:
well in my school they thought me how to acquire verbal ability so i can express myself when making an argument.you are the one who called it racist thats mean you are the one who needs to define racism and how it is racist to fight terror,not the opposite.if you lack that ability i will be happy to do it for you.

In your school, did they teach about putting a space after you punctuate a sentence?
i dont see how this have anything to do with the topic.you may send me a pm in the future for this kind of questions.

Pareve · Joined: 30 Aug 2006 Posts: 893

bunny wrote: the sane voice wrote:
well in my school they thought me how to acquire verbal ability so i can express myself when making an argument.you are the one who called it racist thats mean you are the one who needs to define racism and how it is racist to fight terror,not the opposite.if you lack that ability i will be happy to do it for you.

In your school, did they teach about putting a space after you punctuate a sentence?

Considering that English probably isn't his first language, I think he's doing pretty well. (I'm assuming that "the sane voice" is Israeli)

Especially, since Hebrew and English use completely different alphabets.

bunny · Joined: 14 Oct 2006 Posts: 584

the sane voice wrote: bunny wrote: the sane voice wrote:
well in my school they thought me how to acquire verbal ability so i can express myself when making an argument.you are the one who called it racist thats mean you are the one who needs to define racism and how it is racist to fight terror,not the opposite.if you lack that ability i will be happy to do it for you.

In your school, did they teach about putting a space after you punctuate a sentence?
i dont see how this have anything to do with the topic.you may send me a pm in the future for this kind of questions.

My point was that if your school couldn't even teach you how to properly punctuate a sentence, then I would highly doubt & put into question what else you have learned there...

the sane voice · Joined: 07 Sep 2006 Posts: 2480

bunny wrote:

My point was that if you school couldn't even teach you how to properly punctuate a sentence, then I would highly doubt & put into question what else you have learned there...
and again,this is related to the topic how?if you are so intrested in me theres pm for this.

**edit:a general massage:
im going to sleep.if you dont see me reply after you posted me questions or replied to me yourself ,dont be surprised,im very busy most of the time.
good night.

superskippy · Joined: 14 Jul 2005 Posts: 7442 Location: Petah Tikva

What exactly is being discussed I looked through the thread and it's rather convoluted.

Pareve · Joined: 30 Aug 2006 Posts: 893

superskippy wrote: What exactly is being discussed I looked through the thread and it's rather convoluted.

I'm not really sure either. I think it's a pissing contest about grammar, with the implication that because someone uses arguably better grammar, Israeli Jews are Nazis... Or something like that.

MoscowMatt · Joined: 16 Sep 2005 Posts: 1458 Location: UK / Hungary

Pareve wrote: superskippy wrote: What exactly is being discussed I looked through the thread and it's rather convoluted.

I'm not really sure either. I think it's a pissing contest about grammar, with the implication that because someone uses arguably better grammar, Israeli Jews are Nazis... Or something like that.

Criticising ones grammar is the old line drawn out when one is losing an argument!! :lol:

Saracen · Joined: 01 Dec 2005 Posts: 15233 Location: On Earth

Pareve wrote: superskippy wrote: What exactly is being discussed I looked through the thread and it's rather convoluted.

I'm not really sure either. I think it's a pissing contest about grammar, with the implication that because someone uses arguably better grammar, Israeli Jews are Nazis... Or something like that.

It's something about a debate between Olmert and Kahane. I don't know how it got into this convoluted mess either... but... what the heck?

Quote: There is bad history and bad blood on both ends of the conflict.

I agree