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[CatStevens]

Since we're talking about what Jim Webb said in a fictional book that he saw somewhere. I thought this was relevant.

Rare Circumcision Ritual Carries Herpes Risk

http://www.webmd.com/content/article/91/101352

Traditional Jewish Practice May Put Babies at Risk for Genital Herpes Infection

Aug. 2, 2004 -- A rare Jewish circumcision practice may put young infants at risk for genital herpes with potentially severe complications, according to a new study.

Researchers in Israel have documented eight cases in which male infants became infected with the herpes simplex virus type 1 (HSV-1) after undergoing circumcision that included direct oral-genital contact between the infant and the circumciser (mohel). One of the infants suffered brain damage as the result of his infection.

Male circumcision is the removal of the foreskin (prepuce), which is a fold of skin that covers and protects the tip of the penis.

According to Jewish custom and traditions, newborn Jewish boys are ritually circumcised at eight days of age, and complications are generally very rare.

However, a small number of Orthodox rabbis advocate an ancient practice in which the circumciser s*cks the blood from the infant's circumcision wound until the bleeding stops, a ritual known as metzitzah.

Researchers say the vast majority of ritual circumcisions are currently performed with a sterile suctioning device and not oral suction by the mohel.

Rare Circumcision Ritual Puts Infants at Risk

In their study, published in the August issue of Pediatrics, researchers describe eight cases in which Jewish infants developed genital herpes an average of a week after circumcision. None of the infant's mothers had evidence of oral or genital herpes, the most frequent modes of transmission to newborns.

In all cases, the traditional circumciser had performed the metzitzah custom involving direct oral contact with the infants' genitals.

Six of the infants required treatment with intravenous antibiotics, and four had recurrent genital herpes infections. In addition, one infant suffered brain damage and seizures as a result of complications caused by his infection.

Four of the mohels were available for testing, and all of them tested positive for antibodies for HSV-1, which indicated that they were carriers of the virus. Yet none had tested positive for the virus in their mouth.

Researchers say that after the initial cases of herpes in circumcised infants were reported, the Chief Rabbinate of Israel pronounced in 2002 the legitimacy of using instrumental suction in cases in which there is a risk of infection.

"We support ritual circumcision but without oral metzitzah, which might endanger the newborns and is not part of the religious procedure," write researcher Benjamin Gesundheit, MD, of Ben Gurion University in Israel, and colleagues.

[Lumina]

Ah, thanks for the warning about this rare circumstance. Despite your "timely"--contemptible-- purpose in dredging this up.

[letfreedomring]

and this have to do with politics how?

[CatStevens]

letfreedomring wrote: and this have to do with politics how?

Isn't Jim Webb in Virginia being tarred and feathered for writing about an adult sucking the penis of a naked boy.

[CatStevens]

Lumina wrote: Ah, thanks for the warning about this rare circumstance. Despite your "timely"--contemptible-- purpose in dredging this up.

Well the circumstance of contracting herpes is rare, but the practice of the mohel sucking on the penis' of babies is not. This is real life folks, not just words written in a novel.

[The Newb]

CatStevens wrote: letfreedomring wrote: and this have to do with politics how?

Isn't Jim Webb in Virginia being tarred and feathered for writing about an adult sucking the penis of a naked boy.

so you want to be tarred and feathered?

he wrote it in an incestial, pediphilia way

this is

one: a religious act
two: not sexual in nature
three: traditional medical procedure

[CatStevens]

Match the porn with the politician who wrote it.

The Politicians:

A. Barbara Boxer, Senator, D–Calif.
B. William F. Buckley, former candidate for mayor of New York City
C. Jimmy Carter, former President
D. Lynne Cheney, wife of Vice President Dick Cheney
E. Winston Churchill, former Prime Minister of the United Kingdom
F. William Cohen, former Secretary of Defense, and Gary Hart, former Senator, D–Colo.
G. Susan Combs, Republican candidate for Texas Comptroller
H. Newt Gingrich, former Speaker of the House, R–Ga.
I. I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby Jr., former Chief of Staff to Vice President Dick Cheney
J. Joseph Nye, former Assistant Secretary of Defense for International Security
K. Kenneth Starr, former Independent Counsel
L. William Weld, former Governor of Massachusetts
M. Jim Webb, Democratic candidate for Virginia Senate seat


The Dirty Bits:

1. "Suddenly the pouting sex kitten gave way to Diana the Huntress. She rolled onto him and somehow was sitting athwart his chest, her knees pinning his shoulders. 'Tell me, or I will make you do terrible things,' she hissed."

2. "She was overwhelmed with a desire to nurture her husband. She soon bared her breast and held him close against it, and he responded eagerly to this unprecedented intimacy."

3. "She romped on top of Simolzak's huge frame, straddling him with her hands on his chest, her back arched and her breasts flailing wildly in the air. Her back was to him and her long hair swung from side to side as if accentuating the abandonment of her screams."

4. "I set the edge of my teeth halfway up her breast, just at the point of tension but not, so far as I could tell, of pain. This was the sweetest flesh I had ever tasted, including fish and fowl."

5. "After dinner, they went dancing at Charlie's Jazz. Elaine felt detached from herself, floating in Tom's arms. The hell with [CIA director] Trevor, she thought. And when Tom pulled her close to him, she knew that for tonight at least, it would be just plain Tom and Elaine. Later, back at her house, they made love. It was fierce, two rivers of energy rushing together, gloriously, powerfully. No words were needed."

6. "The women who embraced in the wagon were Adam and Eve crossing a dark cathedral stage—no, Eve and Eve, loving one another as they would not be able to once they ate of the fruit and knew themselves as they truly were."

7. "He held her breasts in his hands. Oddly, he thought, the lower one might be larger. ... One of her breasts now hung loosely in his hand near his face and he knew not how best to touch her."

8. "The woman came down the stairs and they met midway. He took both her hands in his and smiled affectionately; she, standing one step above him, bent forward and kissed him. It was an amiable, though formal, salutation."

9. "The President fondled and kissed her bare breasts. He touched her genitals, both through her underwear and directly, bringing her to orgasm on two occasions. On one occasion, the President inserted a cigar into her vagina."

10. "I kissed her breasts and ran my hand between her thighs. She gripped my shoulders tightly. Unlike the first time I made love to Alexa, when the ecstasy had been eroded by a sense of anxiety and uncertainty, I was s*cked into this moment as quickly and completely as if I had placed my feet in quicksand. Memories from years ago blended with intense physical excitement in a driving, pounding torrent of passion."

11. "He didn't notice Jane taking her clothes off but suddenly she was naked: long legged, lithe, and bronzed. The sheets were cool, her body warm, her limbs strong and supple, and they meshed with his just as he remembered. "Oh Greg, dearheart," she whispered in his ear, "I've missed you so. Welcome home."

12. "But this time she led him upstairs into a room he had never laid eyes on, a bedroom with a king-size bed and not less than six oil pictures of Ayn on the walls, one of them showing her bare-breasted, the Ayn of twenty years ago. The shades had been drawn and Nathaniel could savor the scent. Today her lover was being welcomed with synesthetical concern for all the senses, only the music missing. But as he lay and later groaned with writhing and release, he brought the full force of his mind to transmuted, voluptuarian elation in this physical union with the very woman who had created John Galt and Dagny Taggart and Henry Rearden, and had touched down her scepter on him, Nathaniel, igniting his mind, and his own scepter, which paid, now, devoted service."

13. "With devastating slowness, his hand cupped her completely before he slowly slid a finger into her warmth. She was burning up. Heat sliced through her. Emily gave herself up to the sweet torment of his hand as her hips rocked against his touch. Clutching his shoulders, her mouth blindly sought his. Desperate for release, she tightened her grip. 'Ross,' she managed, feeling as though she were spinning out of control."

1. H. Newt Gingrich and William Forstchen, 1945. (Baen, 1995)

2. C. Jimmy Carter, The Hornet's Nest: A Novel of the Revolutionary War. (Simon & Schuster, 2003)

3. M. James Webb, Lost Soldiers. (Bantam, 2001)

4. L. William Weld, Stillwater: A Novel. (Simon & Schuster, 2002)

5. F. William Cohen and Gary Hart, The Double Man. (Avon, 1985)

6. D. Lynne Cheney, Sisters. (New American Library, 1981)

7. I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby Jr., The Apprentice. (Graywolf, 1996)

8. E. Winston Churchill, Savrola (Longmans Green, 1899)

9. K. Kenneth Starr, Starr Report, 1998.

10. J. Joseph Nye, The Power Game: A Washington Novel. (Public Affairs, 2004).

11. A. Barbara Boxer, A Time To Run. (Chronicle, 2005)

12. B. William F. Buckley, Getting It Right. (Regnery Publishing, 2003)

13. G. Susan Combs, A Perfect Match. (Meteor Publishing Company, 1990)

http://www.slate.com/id/2152402/

[The Newb]

CatStevens wrote: Match the porn with the politician who wrote it.

The Politicians:

A. Barbara Boxer, Senator, D–Calif.
B. William F. Buckley, former candidate for mayor of New York City
C. Jimmy Carter, former President
D. Lynne Cheney, wife of Vice President Dick Cheney
E. Winston Churchill, former Prime Minister of the United Kingdom
F. William Cohen, former Secretary of Defense, and Gary Hart, former Senator, D–Colo.
G. Susan Combs, Republican candidate for Texas Comptroller
H. Newt Gingrich, former Speaker of the House, R–Ga.
I. I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby Jr., former Chief of Staff to Vice President Dick Cheney
J. Joseph Nye, former Assistant Secretary of Defense for International Security
K. Kenneth Starr, former Independent Counsel
L. William Weld, former Governor of Massachusetts
M. Jim Webb, Democratic candidate for Virginia Senate seat


The Dirty Bits:

1. "Suddenly the pouting sex kitten gave way to Diana the Huntress. She rolled onto him and somehow was sitting athwart his chest, her knees pinning his shoulders. 'Tell me, or I will make you do terrible things,' she hissed."

2. "She was overwhelmed with a desire to nurture her husband. She soon bared her breast and held him close against it, and he responded eagerly to this unprecedented intimacy."

3. "She romped on top of Simolzak's huge frame, straddling him with her hands on his chest, her back arched and her breasts flailing wildly in the air. Her back was to him and her long hair swung from side to side as if accentuating the abandonment of her screams."

4. "I set the edge of my teeth halfway up her breast, just at the point of tension but not, so far as I could tell, of pain. This was the sweetest flesh I had ever tasted, including fish and fowl."

5. "After dinner, they went dancing at Charlie's Jazz. Elaine felt detached from herself, floating in Tom's arms. The hell with [CIA director] Trevor, she thought. And when Tom pulled her close to him, she knew that for tonight at least, it would be just plain Tom and Elaine. Later, back at her house, they made love. It was fierce, two rivers of energy rushing together, gloriously, powerfully. No words were needed."

6. "The women who embraced in the wagon were Adam and Eve crossing a dark cathedral stage—no, Eve and Eve, loving one another as they would not be able to once they ate of the fruit and knew themselves as they truly were."

7. "He held her breasts in his hands. Oddly, he thought, the lower one might be larger. ... One of her breasts now hung loosely in his hand near his face and he knew not how best to touch her."

8. "The woman came down the stairs and they met midway. He took both her hands in his and smiled affectionately; she, standing one step above him, bent forward and kissed him. It was an amiable, though formal, salutation."

9. "The President fondled and kissed her bare breasts. He touched her genitals, both through her underwear and directly, bringing her to orgasm on two occasions. On one occasion, the President inserted a cigar into her vagina."

10. "I kissed her breasts and ran my hand between her thighs. She gripped my shoulders tightly. Unlike the first time I made love to Alexa, when the ecstasy had been eroded by a sense of anxiety and uncertainty, I was s*cked into this moment as quickly and completely as if I had placed my feet in quicksand. Memories from years ago blended with intense physical excitement in a driving, pounding torrent of passion."

11. "He didn't notice Jane taking her clothes off but suddenly she was naked: long legged, lithe, and bronzed. The sheets were cool, her body warm, her limbs strong and supple, and they meshed with his just as he remembered. "Oh Greg, dearheart," she whispered in his ear, "I've missed you so. Welcome home."

12. "But this time she led him upstairs into a room he had never laid eyes on, a bedroom with a king-size bed and not less than six oil pictures of Ayn on the walls, one of them showing her bare-breasted, the Ayn of twenty years ago. The shades had been drawn and Nathaniel could savor the scent. Today her lover was being welcomed with synesthetical concern for all the senses, only the music missing. But as he lay and later groaned with writhing and release, he brought the full force of his mind to transmuted, voluptuarian elation in this physical union with the very woman who had created John Galt and Dagny Taggart and Henry Rearden, and had touched down her scepter on him, Nathaniel, igniting his mind, and his own scepter, which paid, now, devoted service."

13. "With devastating slowness, his hand cupped her completely before he slowly slid a finger into her warmth. She was burning up. Heat sliced through her. Emily gave herself up to the sweet torment of his hand as her hips rocked against his touch. Clutching his shoulders, her mouth blindly sought his. Desperate for release, she tightened her grip. 'Ross,' she managed, feeling as though she were spinning out of control."

1. H. Newt Gingrich and William Forstchen, 1945. (Baen, 1995)

2. C. Jimmy Carter, The Hornet's Nest: A Novel of the Revolutionary War. (Simon & Schuster, 2003)

3. M. James Webb, Lost Soldiers. (Bantam, 2001)

4. L. William Weld, Stillwater: A Novel. (Simon & Schuster, 2002)

5. F. William Cohen and Gary Hart, The Double Man. (Avon, 1985)

6. D. Lynne Cheney, Sisters. (New American Library, 1981)

7. I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby Jr., The Apprentice. (Graywolf, 1996)

8. E. Winston Churchill, Savrola (Longmans Green, 1899)

9. K. Kenneth Starr, Starr Report, 1998.

10. J. Joseph Nye, The Power Game: A Washington Novel. (Public Affairs, 2004).

11. A. Barbara Boxer, A Time To Run. (Chronicle, 2005)

12. B. William F. Buckley, Getting It Right. (Regnery Publishing, 2003)

13. G. Susan Combs, A Perfect Match. (Meteor Publishing Company, 1990)

http://www.slate.com/id/2152402/

this has to do with isreali kids and herpes how?

put down the pipe

put it down slowly and back away

and no one gets smoked :wink:

[CatStevens]

The Newb wrote:
this has to do with isreali kids and herpes how?

put down the pipe

put it down slowly and back away

and no one gets smoked :wink:

Take a look at the first sentence in this thread. Surely you can see that a grown man actually sucking on the penis of baby, has something to do with a grown man writing about an account he may have witnessed in South East Asia.

What is with all that pipe talk and slowly backing away? Was that supposed to be witty or funny?

[The Russian]

All those are, are the expressions of the liberalization of sexual behavior... which, is actually an evolved behavior... the more prude side of the political spectrum doesn't bring it up to make sure their own behave the way they want them to... They bring it up to show themselves up as elevated with a pressing need to "educate the masses" and alter the behavior of others... through political and social control and subservience. A movement usually associated with being pushed by institutions claiming monopoly on morality, ethics, and in some cases divinity. Often religious and politically motivated organizations.

The greater lie, however, is telling everyone that human beings do not experience these feelings, and that feeling sexual is somehow counteractive to being an ethical, moral, human being.

[The Newb]

The Newb wrote: CatStevens wrote: letfreedomring wrote: and this have to do with politics how?

Isn't Jim Webb in Virginia being tarred and feathered for writing about an adult sucking the penis of a naked boy.

Jim Webb wrote it in an incestial, pediphilia way

this is

one: a religious act
two: not sexual in nature
three: traditional medical procedure

how does it fit? your topic you tell me

[CatStevens]

The Newb wrote:
this has to do with isreali kids and herpes how?


Who said anything about Israeli kids?

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/02/02/health/main671106.shtml

(AP) City health officials are investigating the death of a baby boy who was one of three infants to contract herpes after a rabbi circumcised them.

Ten days after Rabbi Yitzhok Fischer performed religious circumcisions on twins last October, one died of herpes and the other tested positive for the virus, according to complaint filed by the health department in Manhattan Supreme Court.

The complaint, reported in Wednesday's edition of the New York Daily News, also said health officials later found a third baby who had contracted herpes after being circumcised by Fischer in late 2003.

...

[The Newb]

CatStevens wrote: The Newb wrote:
this has to do with isreali kids and herpes how?


Who said anything about Israeli kids?

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/02/02/health/main671106.shtml

(AP) City health officials are investigating the death of a baby boy who was one of three infants to contract herpes after a rabbi circumcised them.

Ten days after Rabbi Yitzhok Fischer performed religious circumcisions on twins last October, one died of herpes and the other tested positive for the virus, according to complaint filed by the health department in Manhattan Supreme Court.

The complaint, reported in Wednesday's edition of the New York Daily News, also said health officials later found a third baby who had contracted herpes after being circumcised by Fischer in late 2003.

...

ok ooops i saw isreali researchers, hey its very late here im a bit tired i will give that one to you

but how does this fit with webb again? i didnt catch the answer the first 3 times i asked

[CatStevens]

The Newb wrote: CatStevens wrote: The Newb wrote:
this has to do with isreali kids and herpes how?


Who said anything about Israeli kids?

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/02/02/health/main671106.shtml

(AP) City health officials are investigating the death of a baby boy who was one of three infants to contract herpes after a rabbi circumcised them.

Ten days after Rabbi Yitzhok Fischer performed religious circumcisions on twins last October, one died of herpes and the other tested positive for the virus, according to complaint filed by the health department in Manhattan Supreme Court.

The complaint, reported in Wednesday's edition of the New York Daily News, also said health officials later found a third baby who had contracted herpes after being circumcised by Fischer in late 2003.

...

ok ooops i saw isreali researchers, hey its very late here im a bit tired i will give that one to you

but how does this fit with webb again? i didnt catch the answer the first 3 times i asked

I'm not sure you would understand it, if you were told again.

[The Newb]

Quote: I'm not sure you would understand it, if you were told again.

i know what you stated but i fail to see the exact link that you are claiming let me see

you seem to think that pediphilia, and religious practice based on tradition medical procedure are the same?


so that would be sexual in nature, medical in nature are the same?

[Fiduciary]

CatStevens wrote: Since we're talking about what Jim Webb said in a fictional book that he saw somewhere. I thought this was relevant.

Rare Circumcision Ritual Carries Herpes Risk

http://www.webmd.com/content/article/91/101352

Traditional Jewish Practice May Put Babies at Risk for Genital Herpes Infection

Aug. 2, 2004 -- A rare Jewish circumcision practice may put young infants at risk for genital herpes with potentially severe complications, according to a new study.

Researchers in Israel have documented eight cases in which male infants became infected with the herpes simplex virus type 1 (HSV-1) after undergoing circumcision that included direct oral-genital contact between the infant and the circumciser (mohel). One of the infants suffered brain damage as the result of his infection.

Male circumcision is the removal of the foreskin (prepuce), which is a fold of skin that covers and protects the tip of the penis.

According to Jewish custom and traditions, newborn Jewish boys are ritually circumcised at eight days of age, and complications are generally very rare.

However, a small number of Orthodox rabbis advocate an ancient practice in which the circumciser s*cks the blood from the infant's circumcision wound until the bleeding stops, a ritual known as metzitzah.

Researchers say the vast majority of ritual circumcisions are currently performed with a sterile suctioning device and not oral suction by the mohel.

Rare Circumcision Ritual Puts Infants at Risk

In their study, published in the August issue of Pediatrics, researchers describe eight cases in which Jewish infants developed genital herpes an average of a week after circumcision. None of the infant's mothers had evidence of oral or genital herpes, the most frequent modes of transmission to newborns.

In all cases, the traditional circumciser had performed the metzitzah custom involving direct oral contact with the infants' genitals.

Six of the infants required treatment with intravenous antibiotics, and four had recurrent genital herpes infections. In addition, one infant suffered brain damage and seizures as a result of complications caused by his infection.

Four of the mohels were available for testing, and all of them tested positive for antibodies for HSV-1, which indicated that they were carriers of the virus. Yet none had tested positive for the virus in their mouth.

Researchers say that after the initial cases of herpes in circumcised infants were reported, the Chief Rabbinate of Israel pronounced in 2002 the legitimacy of using instrumental suction in cases in which there is a risk of infection.

"We support ritual circumcision but without oral metzitzah, which might endanger the newborns and is not part of the religious procedure," write researcher Benjamin Gesundheit, MD, of Ben Gurion University in Israel, and colleagues.

Who are these "small number of Orthodox rabbis " and what political office are they running for SUCH that voters should know of this??

~~~Pathetic~~~

[eXploiTeD]

The rabbis should be thrown in jail for criminal negligence and child molestation.

[Angelicus]

CatStevens wrote: letfreedomring wrote: and this have to do with politics how?

Isn't Jim Webb in Virginia being tarred and feathered for writing about an adult sucking the penis of a naked boy.

No he's being tarred and feathered for writing about a parent sexually abusing his child.

Now would you like too discuss the Quran and what it says about such things?

I didn't think so.

[Saracen]

Circumcision is also an Islamic practice, though both religions stress that cleanliness should be maintained at all times.

[CatStevens]

Angelicus wrote: CatStevens wrote: letfreedomring wrote: and this have to do with politics how?

Isn't Jim Webb in Virginia being tarred and feathered for writing about an adult sucking the penis of a naked boy.

No he's being tarred and feathered for writing about a parent sexually abusing his child.

Now would you like too discuss the Quran and what it says about such things?

I didn't think so.

The quran has something to say about sucking the penis of boy after you circumsize him?