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[Richard Owl Mirror]

Many of you may already have heard this info but, it's the first time I've heard that VP Dick Cheney forced NORAD to come under his direct control.
And that He was in charge on the morning of 911, taking part in an excersize mimicking precisely what occured.

9/11 Truth: Dick Cheney was in command of NORAD on 9/11

NORAD Stand-Down on 9/11: Not Just Simple Incompetence

9/11 Truth: Alex Jones on NORAD drills the morning of 9/11

Is this stuff true ?

[psholtz]

Yes, it's true..

Dick Cheney is basically the lead suspect in the crimes of 9/11..

[Richard Owl Mirror]

psholtz wrote: Yes, it's true..

Dick Cheney is basically the lead suspect in the crimes of 9/11..

I have to say, that first video is quite compelling with regards to Cheney.

[Mighty Oak]

Richard Owl Mirror wrote: Many of you may already have heard this info but, it's the first time I've heard that VP Dick Cheney forced NORAD to come under his direct control.
And that He was in charge on the morning of 911, taking part in an excersize mimicking precisely what occured.

9/11 Truth: Dick Cheney was in command of NORAD on 9/11

NORAD Stand-Down on 9/11: Not Just Simple Incompetence

9/11 Truth: Alex Jones on NORAD drills the morning of 9/11

Is this stuff true ? Yep just another one of those things.
Are you aware of this. Quote: Tim Russert: "What's the most important decision you think he (President Bush) made during the course of the day?"
VP Cheney: "Well, the, I suppose the toughest decision was this question of whether or not we would intercept incoming commercial aircraft ... We decided to do it." Quote: MR. HAMILTON: We thank you for that. I wanted to focus just a moment on the Presidential Emergency Operating Center. You were there for a good part of the day. I think you were there with the vice president. And when you had that order given, I think it was by the president, that authorized the shooting down of commercial aircraft that were suspected to be controlled by terrorists, were you there when that order was given?

MR. MINETA: No, I was not. I was made aware of it during the time that the airplane coming into the Pentagon. There was a young man who had come in and said to the vice president, "The plane is 50 miles out. The plane is 30 miles out." And when it got down to, "The plane is 10 miles out," the young man also said to the vice president, "Do the orders still stand?" And the vice president turned and whipped his neck around and said, "Of course the orders still stand. Have you heard anything to the contrary?" 2 Â http://www.9-11commission.gov/archive/hearing2/9-11Commission_Hearing_2003-05-23.htm

http://www.whitehouse.gov/vicepresident/news-speeches/speeches/vp20010916.html

[Patriot911]

Was Dick Cheney in charge of NORAD while Bush was in Florida? Yes. However, this was after flight 77 was already crashed into the Pentagon and his only decision left was whether or not to shoot down flight 93. That decision was made for him when it crashed in Shanksville. There is no evidence of a NORAD stand down.

[Wizard From Oz]

Quote: Many of you may already have heard this info but, it's the first time I've heard that VP Dick Cheney forced NORAD to come under his direct control.
And that He was in charge on the morning of 911, taking part in an excersize mimicking precisely what occured.

9/11 Truth: Dick Cheney was in command of NORAD on 9/11

NORAD Stand-Down on 9/11: Not Just Simple Incompetence

9/11 Truth: Alex Jones on NORAD drills the morning of 9/11

Is this stuff true ?


To get a more balanced response, try these chaps

http://forums.randi.org

or

http://screwloosechange.xbehome.com

[NAB]

MG1962 wrote: Quote: Many of you may already have heard this info but, it's the first time I've heard that VP Dick Cheney forced NORAD to come under his direct control.
And that He was in charge on the morning of 911, taking part in an excersize mimicking precisely what occured.

9/11 Truth: Dick Cheney was in command of NORAD on 9/11

NORAD Stand-Down on 9/11: Not Just Simple Incompetence

9/11 Truth: Alex Jones on NORAD drills the morning of 9/11

Is this stuff true ?


To get a more balanced response, try these chaps

http://forums.randi.org

or

http://screwloosechange.xbehome.com

Here's another in a more synopsis form:What I learned

[Mighty Oak]

Patriot911 wrote: Was Dick Cheney in charge of NORAD while Bush was in Florida? Yes. However, this was after flight 77 was already crashed into the Pentagon and his only decision left was whether or not to shoot down flight 93. That decision was made for him when it crashed in Shanksville. There is no evidence of a NORAD stand down. What are you talking about?This is direct evidence of a stand down.Just what,pray tell,was the target that was 10 miles out from where it crashed?
I don't have any idea where you get this was about flight 93 and not the pentagon and if you really think it was about flight 93 where is there a target that was 10 miles out?

Another thing the rules were changed as far as who could order an aircraft to be shot down a few months before 911.

[Patriot911]

Mighty Oak wrote: Patriot911 wrote: Was Dick Cheney in charge of NORAD while Bush was in Florida? Yes. However, this was after flight 77 was already crashed into the Pentagon and his only decision left was whether or not to shoot down flight 93. That decision was made for him when it crashed in Shanksville. There is no evidence of a NORAD stand down. What are you talking about?This is direct evidence of a stand down.Just what,pray tell,was the target that was 10 miles out from where it crashed?
I don't have any idea where you get this was about flight 93 and not the pentagon and if you really think it was about flight 93 where is there a target that was 10 miles out?

Sorry. I had my timeline a little wrong. Mineta was indeed talking about flight 77 and there were planes in the air trying to intercept that flight. If you had bothered reading the rest of Mineta's testimony you would have seen that he very clearly states that the order was a shoot down order, NOT a stand down order.

MR. HAMILTON: Let me see if I understand. The plane that was headed toward the Pentagon and was some miles away, there was an order to shoot that plane down.

MR. MINETA: Well, I don't know that specifically, but I do know that the airplanes were scrambled from Langley or from Norfolk, the Norfolk area. But I did not know about the orders specifically other than listening to that other conversation.

MR. HAMILTON: But there very clearly was an order to shoot commercial aircraft down.

MR. MINETA: Subsequently I found that out.

Mighty Oak wrote: Another thing the rules were changed as far as who could order an aircraft to be shot down a few months before 911.

Which is it? A shoot down order or a stand down order? And please provide proof the rules were changed a few months before 9/11.

[[Bible]Monkey]

MG1962 wrote: Quote: Many of you may already have heard this info but, it's the first time I've heard that VP Dick Cheney forced NORAD to come under his direct control.
And that He was in charge on the morning of 911, taking part in an excersize mimicking precisely what occured.

9/11 Truth: Dick Cheney was in command of NORAD on 9/11

NORAD Stand-Down on 9/11: Not Just Simple Incompetence

9/11 Truth: Alex Jones on NORAD drills the morning of 9/11

Is this stuff true ?


To get a more balanced response, try these chaps

http://forums.randi.org

or

http://screwloosechange.xbehome.com

Thanks for the link, MG-I was trying to unload my ( now un-needed at 54° Latitude 113° longitude) winter parka , but thanks to your link I see I'm advertising in the wrong market. I could probably sell that coat in the English papers.

Now back to our regularly scheduled highlighted problem... :-D

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If anyone has the interest, or the time, on a rainy weekend, find out what Dick Cheney was doing every day since 1980. Or 1976, if you've more time.

Just out of a sense of ennui, I attempted , and nearly completed such a thing some while ago. What I found to be the most surprising out of it was the unexpected alteration of my views on recent American history.

[cap'n queasy]

MG1962 wrote: Quote: Many of you may already have heard this info but, it's the first time I've heard that VP Dick Cheney forced NORAD to come under his direct control.
And that He was in charge on the morning of 911, taking part in an excersize mimicking precisely what occured.

9/11 Truth: Dick Cheney was in command of NORAD on 9/11

NORAD Stand-Down on 9/11: Not Just Simple Incompetence

9/11 Truth: Alex Jones on NORAD drills the morning of 9/11

Is this stuff true ?


To get a more balanced response, try these chaps

http://forums.randi.org

or

http://screwloosechange.xbehome.com

Ah, the Amazing Randi. Skeptic extraordinaire. Good choice.

[Bull]

cap'n queasy wrote: MG1962 wrote: Quote: Many of you may already have heard this info but, it's the first time I've heard that VP Dick Cheney forced NORAD to come under his direct control.
And that He was in charge on the morning of 911, taking part in an excersize mimicking precisely what occured.

9/11 Truth: Dick Cheney was in command of NORAD on 9/11

NORAD Stand-Down on 9/11: Not Just Simple Incompetence

9/11 Truth: Alex Jones on NORAD drills the morning of 9/11

Is this stuff true ?


To get a more balanced response, try these chaps

http://forums.randi.org

or

http://screwloosechange.xbehome.com

Ah, the Amazing Randi. Skeptic extraordinaire. Good choice.

Actually, Randi has said numerous times on her show that she believes the government let 9/11 happen. And the only reason she critizes Loose Change is because she says there's no irrefutable evidence. It's seems she wants something that can't be challenged before she commits...which is stupid, because MOST arguments can be challenged one way or the other.

[blockhead]

I read the article from the first clip about Cheney. This is what I found most telling about it.

http://archives.cnn.com/2002/ALLPOLITICS/09/11/ar911.king.cheney/index.html

"It was a clear day, there were no weather problems, and then we saw the second airplane hit in real time," Cheney told CNN's John King in an interview in the vice president's office.

"At that moment, you knew this was a deliberate act. This was a terrorist act."

He called President Bush in Florida and spoke with top aides. Then his door burst open.

"My [Secret Service] agent all of a sudden materialized right beside me and said, 'Sir, we have to leave now.' He grabbed me and propelled me out of my office, down the hall, and into the underground shelter in the White House," Cheney said.


But yet the Secret Service didn't suddenly materialize beside George Bush, the POTUS? He sat in the classroom, then he gave a speech before disappearing to Nebraska, to meet up with his boss, Warren Buffet, who was holding a "charity event" at Offutt Air Force Base, where GW finally landed. Also in attendance at the "charity event" was very lucky person, Ann Tatlock, the CEO of Fiduciary Trust Co. International. Now what made Mrs. Tatlock such a lucky person for being invited to this charity event that morning? Mrs. Tatlock not only works in the World Trade Center, but her offices were right where Flight 175 crashed into the South WTC Tower. She was escorted by military officers to an officer's lounge with TV to watch it happen.

[Wizard From Oz]

Quote: Actually, Randi has said numerous times on her show that she believes the government let 9/11 happen. And the only reason she critizes Loose Change is because she says there's no irrefutable evidence. It's seems she wants something that can't be challenged before she commits...which is stupid, because MOST arguments can be challenged one way or the other

Umm sorry - Randi is a guy. As in James Randi

[Bull]

MG1962 wrote: Quote: Actually, Randi has said numerous times on her show that she believes the government let 9/11 happen. And the only reason she critizes Loose Change is because she says there's no irrefutable evidence. It's seems she wants something that can't be challenged before she commits...which is stupid, because MOST arguments can be challenged one way or the other

Umm sorry - Randi is a guy. As in James Randi

:rofl:

Oops...why did I think you were talking about Randi Rhodes? My bad... :lol:

[Wizard From Oz]

Quote:

Oops...why did I think you were talking about Randi Rhodes? My bad...

LOL it happens :)

But as far as I know James Randi has not made any definitive statements about 911 either way. Although he started the forum, he has a total of 45 posts on in it