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[Tono]

Because my dad beat my ass for that. I'm thinking we might want to consider passing a law to keep attendence records private.

[The Comrade]

Tono wrote: Because my dad beat my ass for that. I'm thinking we might want to consider passing a law to keep attendence records private.


yes. schools are liable for students, and if you skip and somehow get hurt, the school is likely to be sued.

[Revenant]

:lol:

A mockery thread, excellent

:lol:

[Heinz]

But I still want my free pass to get my state sponsored abortion.

[The Newb]

Heinz wrote: But I still want my free pass to get my state sponsored abortion.

you didnt know that skipping school leads to pregnancy? :wink:

[Gwin]

Although i feel the mojority of adults are stupid, i KNOW that their kids are retarded seeing as how i must be in classes with kids like these. Kids who skip are not thinking about their futures and their parents should be there to make sure they dont completely f**k themsleves up :) ... Once the kids are 18 tho, thats a different issue, but i still feel parents should know how and what their kids are doing, up to a point.

[Varyag]

I think we've just found the one issue that can unite this forum :lol:

[Varyag]

edit: double post

[perdidochas]

Tono wrote: Because my dad beat my ass for that. I'm thinking we might want to consider passing a law to keep attendence records private.

Attendance records are private, for all but relevant teachers, administrators and parents.

IMHO, parents should be called every time their child is absent from school, if nothing else, but for safety issues. If a child is not in school, and not at home, a search needs to start for them.

[perdidochas]

The Newb wrote: Heinz wrote: But I still want my free pass to get my state sponsored abortion.

you didnt know that skipping school leads to pregnancy? :wink:

Well, among 9th grade inner city girls (like the ones I taught for 5 yrs), it often does.

[micfranklin]

perdidochas wrote: Tono wrote: Because my dad beat my ass for that. I'm thinking we might want to consider passing a law to keep attendence records private.

Attendance records are private, for all but relevant teachers, administrators and parents.

IMHO, parents should be called every time their child is absent from school, if nothing else, but for safety issues. If a child is not in school, and not at home, a search needs to start for them.

First of all, I don't think its that serious that parents should be called when children are absent because it sounds redundant to me.

And for the second part, if a child is not in school or at home, isn't it possible for them to be on a field trip or something?

[perdidochas]

micfranklin wrote: perdidochas wrote: Tono wrote: Because my dad beat my ass for that. I'm thinking we might want to consider passing a law to keep attendence records private.

Attendance records are private, for all but relevant teachers, administrators and parents.

IMHO, parents should be called every time their child is absent from school, if nothing else, but for safety issues. If a child is not in school, and not at home, a search needs to start for them.

First of all, I don't think its that serious that parents should be called when children are absent because it sounds redundant to me.

Why? If kids are cutting school, the parents don't know about it. In most states, truancy (unexcused school absences) can be charged as a crime, and do you know who gets charged with it--not only the student, but the parent. The law requires that a parent make sure their children are in school. Parents can be put in jail for 6 months or fined up to $500 for habitual truancy by their children.

Also, I'm sure that if a child were to get hurt while truant, the type of parent that doesn't know that their kid is cutting school would be more than happy to sue the school for not knowing where their child is.

micfranklin wrote: And for the second part, if a child is not in school or at home, isn't it possible for them to be on a field trip or something?

Are you that dense? A field trip is part of school. A child on a field trip is not "absent" from school.

[Enoch]

perdidochas wrote: Tono wrote: Because my dad beat my ass for that. I'm thinking we might want to consider passing a law to keep attendence records private.

Attendance records are private, for all but relevant teachers, administrators and parents.

IMHO, parents should be called every time their child is absent from school, if nothing else, but for safety issues. If a child is not in school, and not at home, a search needs to start for them. I agree with you. But, then you get those school administrators who try to overstep their bounds and determine what is or is not an acceptable reason to be out of school.

My parents own their own business, and a couple times a year my sister and I had to leave school in order to help out. It was truly a family business. But, once, my school called my mother to find out why I wasn't there and my mother was honest with them. The school administrator berated my mother, saying that it was not a valid reason to miss school.

[perdidochas]

Enoch wrote: perdidochas wrote: Tono wrote: Because my dad beat my ass for that. I'm thinking we might want to consider passing a law to keep attendence records private.

Attendance records are private, for all but relevant teachers, administrators and parents.

IMHO, parents should be called every time their child is absent from school, if nothing else, but for safety issues. If a child is not in school, and not at home, a search needs to start for them. I agree with you. But, then you get those school administrators who try to overstep their bounds and determine what is or is not an acceptable reason to be out of school.

My parents own their own business, and a couple times a year my sister and I had to leave school in order to help out. It was truly a family business. But, once, my school called my mother to find out why I wasn't there and my mother was honest with them. The school administrator berated my mother, saying that it was not a valid reason to miss school.

Well, I agree with the administrator. It was an unexcused absence. There are certain criteria for excused absences--to name a few: illness, funerals, court proceedings, etc. Helping the family business isn't one of them. However, truancy usually requires a substantial number of unexcused absences, adn a couple times a year doesn't qualify. Your parents were berated, but were they charged or legally warned?

[Enoch]

perdidochas wrote: Enoch wrote: perdidochas wrote: Tono wrote: Because my dad beat my ass for that. I'm thinking we might want to consider passing a law to keep attendence records private.

Attendance records are private, for all but relevant teachers, administrators and parents.

IMHO, parents should be called every time their child is absent from school, if nothing else, but for safety issues. If a child is not in school, and not at home, a search needs to start for them. I agree with you. But, then you get those school administrators who try to overstep their bounds and determine what is or is not an acceptable reason to be out of school.

My parents own their own business, and a couple times a year my sister and I had to leave school in order to help out. It was truly a family business. But, once, my school called my mother to find out why I wasn't there and my mother was honest with them. The school administrator berated my mother, saying that it was not a valid reason to miss school.

Well, I agree with the administrator. It was an unexcused absence. There are certain criteria for excused absences--to name a few: illness, funerals, court proceedings, etc. Helping the family business isn't one of them. However, truancy usually requires a substantial number of unexcused absences, adn a couple times a year doesn't qualify. Your parents were berated, but were they charged or legally warned?

It is hardly an unexcused absence if my parents decided that I shouldn't be there. They decide I shouldn't be there for a funeral, but that is excused. How is it different to spend a day helping my family earn money so we can have a house, food, clothing?

And, no, they weren't charged with anything. The administrator threatened to call the police if he ever found out that it had happened again. However, state law was on our side as the law in our state declared that parents can decide when to remove their children from school, and for what reasons, provided the absences don't become habitual or a detrement to the student's learning.

[perdidochas]

Enoch wrote: perdidochas wrote: Enoch wrote: perdidochas wrote: Tono wrote: Because my dad beat my ass for that. I'm thinking we might want to consider passing a law to keep attendence records private.

Attendance records are private, for all but relevant teachers, administrators and parents.

IMHO, parents should be called every time their child is absent from school, if nothing else, but for safety issues. If a child is not in school, and not at home, a search needs to start for them. I agree with you. But, then you get those school administrators who try to overstep their bounds and determine what is or is not an acceptable reason to be out of school.

My parents own their own business, and a couple times a year my sister and I had to leave school in order to help out. It was truly a family business. But, once, my school called my mother to find out why I wasn't there and my mother was honest with them. The school administrator berated my mother, saying that it was not a valid reason to miss school.

Well, I agree with the administrator. It was an unexcused absence. There are certain criteria for excused absences--to name a few: illness, funerals, court proceedings, etc. Helping the family business isn't one of them. However, truancy usually requires a substantial number of unexcused absences, adn a couple times a year doesn't qualify. Your parents were berated, but were they charged or legally warned?

It is hardly an unexcused absence if my parents decided that I shouldn't be there. They decide I shouldn't be there for a funeral, but that is excused. How is it different to spend a day helping my family earn money so we can have a house, food, clothing?

If you weren't charged with truancy, or ended up failing a grade due to excessive absences, don't worry about it.

The thing is if economic reasons were considered excused, we'd have kids out of school all the time for them--a recent news story locally about truancy, had a judge explaining some of the reasons that parents gave for high school kids being habitually truant--one was that they had to take care of their younger siblings so that the mother could sleep late. If working for parents was excused, then too many people would use that as an excuse, and miss class once a week. Nobody wants to miss due to a relative's funeral (and most school districts require proof of that funeral, and attendance at said funeral).

[Enoch]

perdidochas wrote: If you weren't charged with truancy, or ended up failing a grade due to excessive absences, don't worry about it.

The thing is if economic reasons were considered excused, we'd have kids out of school all the time for them--a recent news story locally about truancy, had a judge explaining some of the reasons that parents gave for high school kids being habitually truant--one was that they had to take care of their younger siblings so that the mother could sleep late. If working for parents was excused, then too many people would use that as an excuse, and miss class once a week. Nobody wants to miss due to a relative's funeral (and most school districts require proof of that funeral, and attendance at said funeral). As far as I am concerned, parents should have the right to pull their children out of school for whatever reason they deem fit, as long as the absences don't become habitual or harm a student's education.

[perdidochas]

Enoch wrote: perdidochas wrote: If you weren't charged with truancy, or ended up failing a grade due to excessive absences, don't worry about it.

The thing is if economic reasons were considered excused, we'd have kids out of school all the time for them--a recent news story locally about truancy, had a judge explaining some of the reasons that parents gave for high school kids being habitually truant--one was that they had to take care of their younger siblings so that the mother could sleep late. If working for parents was excused, then too many people would use that as an excuse, and miss class once a week. Nobody wants to miss due to a relative's funeral (and most school districts require proof of that funeral, and attendance at said funeral). As far as I am concerned, parents should have the right to pull their children out of school for whatever reason they deem fit, as long as the absences don't become habitual or harm a student's education.

I don't disagree. However, I don't think that absences should be deemed "excused" unless for very specific reasons. For most kids, that's not an issue. Most high schools allow ten unexcused absences a year before student fail. That's enough to account for parent whims, but not so much as to interfere with the educational process. Most schools allow pretty much unlimited excused absences.

Anyway, the issue here is "Should parents be notified if a child cuts school?" IMHO, of course. A parent has a right to know if the child isn't where they said they were. Also, it prevents problems like my niece, who came close to not graduating due to her skipping school for no good reason. (if she missed one more day, she wouldn't have graduated). Her parents only knew about a few of those days, not the 9 days she actually missed.

[spearsy23]

An excused absence at my school is any absence where the parents know that their child isn't in school. And i think that's the way it should be, of course after a certain amount of time out of school it becomes detrimental to the childs learning and that's when it becomes a problem and the school should step in.

[The Comrade]

micfranklin wrote:

First of all, I don't think its that serious that parents should be called when children are absent because it sounds redundant to me.

and what if your child was abducted, and when your child turns up missing and immediate phone call home could have saved your child's life, but instead your school just doesn't give a s**t and your child ends up dying. isn't that a lovely scenario.

micfranklin wrote:
And for the second part, if a child is not in school or at home, isn't it possible for them to be on a field trip or something?

no thats stupid. you have to get permission to go on a field trip, and if you do go on a field trip, all of your teachers and the office is notified.