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[Margo]

Quote: Hitler's armies were liberating countries after countries from the grip of those Jewish people and from the Communist threat, so were told the German population.

Abu Ghraib is the norm Somebloke, we are just not told as the German people found out in 1945.

No. Hitler came into power because of the affects of the Great Depression on Germany's economy, the Treaty of Versailles, his warped view of Aryan superiority over everyone (Jews, Catholics, Protestants, gypsies, handicapped, mentally ill, mentally retarded, communists, alledged communists, Jews, non-Jewish Poles, Soviet POWs, Jehovahs Witnesses, trade unionists and all anti-Nazi clergy). He hated everyone who wasn't Aryan. He especially hated the Jews but initially the German people were not receptive to this. It was only through very subtle innuendo that he convinced the people of Aryan superiority over them. Hitler killed 11 million of these people, 3 million were non-Jewish Poles and 6 million were Jews. Hitler did not "liberate"
Austria
Poland
France
Russia
Denmark
Norway
Luxemborg
Belgium
The Netherlands
Czechoslovakia
He invaded and brought pure hell to them.
Hitler was hellbent on Aryan domination of the world through war and genocide, plain and simple.

Abu Gharab is not the norm. These unfortunate things happen in war, but they are far from the norm. If it were, don't you think there would be more coverage of such things? There certainly are opportunities for the media to gain knowledge of these things, especially with the verocity they have to bring dishonor on American troops.

[Margo]

Lucky Luke wrote: The Newb wrote: Lucky Luke wrote:
Exactly what the German people did The Newb.

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but bush and blair do not have evil entents

Hitler only thought about the security of his own people, he had no evil intents.............towards them.

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False.
He was only concerned about people of Aryan superiority, he had evil intent towards everyone else, case in point - 11 million deaths.

[Margo]

Lucky Luke wrote: Margo wrote: Lucky Luke wrote: Margo wrote: emerald wrote: Quote: Perhaps the problem lies with the media to make it more known then? Seriosuly, I'm up to date on current events but it's not widely reported here except for few incidents. What I am concerned about is the complacency people have. It's human nature to allow ourselves to drift back into false security. That's what partly got us into 9/11. For all the vile hatred spewing out of radical Islam, there should be a public outcry against it. We have demonstrations here by radical Islamists in the streets of NYC and you know what?? People stand in silence and WATCH! Sure they are allowed to protest, free speech gives them the right to trample our values...but C'mon...people need to wake up and at least stand up for their ideology. It's not happening enough if at all. I want the average Muslim on the street, the average Christian, average Jew, average everybody to condemn these hateful things instead of fearing the retribution of political correctness, it's not a Maoist pledge, it's called wishful thinking and wanting people to become aware of what the reality is. I listen all the time to people saying it's not a big deal, it's not a real threat, they don't really mean it, it's being blown out of proportion, we shouldn't criticize the,. they have issues too! What gets me ramped up is that this is the type of thinking that will get us all killed because once we let down our guard, you can bet terrorism will be back on our doorstep. That's just the nature of this particular beast.

i dont want to be flipant or make you feel that your feelings arent natural or real or whatever (i cant thnk of the right word!) but you feel like your religion and your way of life is under sttack, and after sept 11 you feel like you yourself are under threat, and it's understandable and no one should have to feel that threat, but can you even imagine waht that is like for Iraqi's? for the muslims there? day in day out people getting killed, curfews set on you, being told you're not meant to think like this or view the world like that, and i know many americas believe they are doing the right thing by bringing freedoms to Iraq and democracy, but you cannot force people to change over a short period of time. you felt threatened by one catastophic incident, that threat is alive for them every single day and unlike you, they dont have the facilities to be able to get over that, or the time.

I feel very sorry for the Iraqis, epecially the 11 million who voted FOR democracy and freedom and have extremists and insurgents fighting them each step of the way. I also felt very sorry for the millions who were murdered, maimed, raped and terrorized under Saddam Hussein. I agree with you one can't change people overnight but people can vote for change and that's exactly what 11 million Iraqis did. That change isn't going to come easy.

They voted for a coalition led by a Grand Ayatollah, they voted for Iraq to become an Islamic Republic similar to Iran, this is what they voted for Margo.

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Oh....my....God...you think the Iranian Revolution was a democratic vote????????????

What makes you think that I think this Margo? Read my post again:

Quote: They voted for a coalition led by a Grand Ayatollah, they voted for Iraq to become an Islamic Republic similar to Iran, this is what they voted for Margo.

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ok....(reads post again)....violent revolution which involves killing people who disagree vs peaceful democratic process involving voting.....what else would I think?