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ieatfood · Joined: 28 Mar 2005 Posts: 6332

honestly, we need to stop teaching our kids crap

one of the pieces of crap teachings that we all throw upon our kids is that "being yourself" is acceptable.

Clearly, it is not. (the other crap teaching is that mediocrity is OK as long as you "try your best") THis is all losertalk--and it is no wonder that by instilling all of this crap into our kids, so many of them grow up to be losers.

Teach your kid to be a suave, tactful, socially adept human being. Sometimes that means lying, putting on a show, and misrepresenting yourself. If your kid is currently lacks these social skills, then tell your kid that it is NOT ok to be yourself and that your kid better work on developing some skills.

As a kid, i totally bought into the whole "be yourself" movement. THat set me back quite a few years in development, and I had to learn the hard way.

F'losrix · Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 1:08 am Post subject:

Demonic Spoon wrote: Quote: It very much is conforming to a social norm. I don't clothe myself for other people's benefit. I do it so that I can operate in everyday society without having to be the object of constant harassment.

Okay. Do you also walk up to random people and flick them off? Why?
No, I don't. I have no secret desire to, either. I'm not really clear why you asked this.

Demonic Spoon · Joined: 20 Sep 2004 Posts: 6845 Location: Ohio

Quote: No, I don't. I have no secret desire to, either. I'm not really clear why you asked this.

Because not flicking someone off is a show of respect, much like not waving your junk around to those who don't want to see it is.

Æ · Joined: 17 Jun 2005 Posts: 5397 Location: Taxatraz

Conformity FTL.

This is a major problem with society; people not being themselves. This conformity results in dangerous collective behavior.

The Comrade · Joined: 16 Jul 2006 Posts: 12039 Location: Zagreb

the only time i act different around people is when i meet someone new since i'm like an acquired taste. at first, you think "wow that guy is such a huge ****" but then after a while people realize it's part of my charm, and they grow to <3 me.

however, i do know quite a few people that act differently around other people, and it's one of those things i don't get. if someone likes you for something you aren't, do they really like you?

micfranklin · Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 11:28 pm Post subject:

Æ wrote: Conformity FTL.

This is a major problem with society; people not being themselves. This conformity results in dangerous collective behavior.

Individuality FTSW.

That's what more of society needs and because of individuality that's why we had select people like Steve Irwin out there.

TheGirlNextDoor · Joined: 08 Jul 2004 Posts: 22608

ieatfood wrote: honestly, we need to stop teaching our kids crap

one of the pieces of crap teachings that we all throw upon our kids is that "being yourself" is acceptable.

Clearly, it is not. (the other crap teaching is that mediocrity is OK as long as you "try your best") THis is all losertalk--and it is no wonder that by instilling all of this crap into our kids, so many of them grow up to be losers.

Teach your kid to be a suave, tactful, socially adept human being. Sometimes that means lying, putting on a show, and misrepresenting yourself. If your kid is currently lacks these social skills, then tell your kid that it is NOT ok to be yourself and that your kid better work on developing some skills.

As a kid, i totally bought into the whole "be yourself" movement. THat set me back quite a few years in development, and I had to learn the hard way.

Do you have children?

Thing is, people aren't just one set personality and that's it. There are many facets to each individual person... and there is nothing wrong with being yourself, and I personally don't buy into your "it's NOT ok to be yourself" crap.

You can be yourself... there are some social standards however, and most people realize that does NOT change who you are. As if being polite and not scratching your privates before shaking someones hand for the first time is really conforming if you do scratch your privates in well.... private.

I can be myself and myself includes a compassionate person, an honest person and yet I'm also a person who will tell a lie to protect someones feelings who matters to me. I can be cruel if I feel threatened and I can be a very giving person as well. I can be rude, crude and socially UNacceptable and I can ALSO be a very polite and well mannered professional person as well.

Who the hell thinks that "being yourself" is a one dimensional deal. ???

Pareve · Joined: 30 Aug 2006 Posts: 895

I think you've misinterpretend "being yourself," OP.

Being yourself is important to being a happy person. Being yourself means fostering your best attributes and being creative, not looking or acting like an ****. Sure, there are some people that are naturally ****, but they can still hone that talent into something useful. Whiny children who wear "I love Satan" t-shirts are being who they see on the CD box, not themselves. There's a reason that Hot Topic is a commercially viable store, after all.

What schools are doing is fostering individuality in children. That is a great thing, especially if you're intellegent. It's what leads to the art, entepreneurship, and creativity that makes America so awesome.

Sure, there are some social standards that need to be followed, but that doesn't detract from who a person is, or change who that person is.

ieatfood · Joined: 28 Mar 2005 Posts: 6332

TheGirlNextDoor wrote: ieatfood wrote: honestly, we need to stop teaching our kids crap

one of the pieces of crap teachings that we all throw upon our kids is that "being yourself" is acceptable.

Clearly, it is not. (the other crap teaching is that mediocrity is OK as long as you "try your best") THis is all losertalk--and it is no wonder that by instilling all of this crap into our kids, so many of them grow up to be losers.

Teach your kid to be a suave, tactful, socially adept human being. Sometimes that means lying, putting on a show, and misrepresenting yourself. If your kid is currently lacks these social skills, then tell your kid that it is NOT ok to be yourself and that your kid better work on developing some skills.

As a kid, i totally bought into the whole "be yourself" movement. THat set me back quite a few years in development, and I had to learn the hard way.

Do you have children?

Thing is, people aren't just one set personality and that's it. There are many facets to each individual person... and there is nothing wrong with being yourself, and I personally don't buy into your "it's NOT ok to be yourself" crap.

You can be yourself... there are some social standards however, and most people realize that does NOT change who you are. As if being polite and not scratching your privates before shaking someones hand for the first time is really conforming if you do scratch your privates in well.... private.

I can be myself and myself includes a compassionate person, an honest person and yet I'm also a person who will tell a lie to protect someones feelings who matters to me. I can be cruel if I feel threatened and I can be a very giving person as well. I can be rude, crude and socially UNacceptable and I can ALSO be a very polite and well mannered professional person as well.

Who the hell thinks that "being yourself" is a one dimensional deal. ???

i guess it depends what kind of work you are involved in

if you are a computer programmer and you sit an a room all day typing code, then i guess you can be whoever you want

but if you are in any type of work that involves seeing people on a semi-daily basis, then being yourself is not an option

"being yourself" does not mean that you are one dimension. "being yourself" means that you do what you feel like when you feel like it without regard to how others are perceiving you. "being yourself" is basically a lack of social discipline. that is what i mean.