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Narvik · Joined: 13 Apr 2006 Posts: 607 Location: Orsa

Enoch wrote: Narvik wrote: Enoch wrote: Narvik wrote: 00timh wrote: Utterly amazed that something so common and accepted has gotten 13 pages. I have a lot of baggage in my life but I doubt any of it is from being circumcised. I have two kids and the plumbing still works whenever I want it to. I don't think that it has caused any dysfunction.
It's not very common in Europe. Boys who are circumcised most probably get teased in Sweden. How does that matter?
Many Americans use the opposite as a reason to circumcise boys.

00timh also said that it's commonly accepted. It's not in Sweden. A lot of people think it's barbaric and unnecessary. It may not be common in Sweden, but it is common in the United States. If people want to use commonality as a reason, it should be commonality of the society in which they live. Therefore, how common it is in Sweden its a pointless point if talking about Americans circumcising their sons.
uhm.. yeah.. You're right :P

Enoch · Joined: 29 Aug 2005 Posts: 9053

Narvik wrote: Enoch wrote: Narvik wrote: LostSoul3412 wrote: Narvik wrote: Boys who are circumcised most probably get teased in Sweden.

Uh... how do you know who's been circumcised?...
In public schools there's public showers. In Sweden we have something called "physical education", have you ever heard of that? I remember being in middle school and high school, in P.E. class, when the boys would all have to shower afterward. Sure, there were a few guys who weren't circumcised (and all boys check each other out, even if they don't admit it). But, I don't ever remember an uncircumcised boy being teased. No one cared one way or another.
I do though, why can't you alow the boy in question to wait until he's like 12 years old and decide for himself? Because, it's my decisiont (as a parent) to make. I don't have any children, but any sons I have will be circumcised.

Narvik · Joined: 13 Apr 2006 Posts: 607 Location: Orsa

Enoch wrote: Narvik wrote: Enoch wrote: Narvik wrote: LostSoul3412 wrote: Narvik wrote: Boys who are circumcised most probably get teased in Sweden.

Uh... how do you know who's been circumcised?...
In public schools there's public showers. In Sweden we have something called "physical education", have you ever heard of that? I remember being in middle school and high school, in P.E. class, when the boys would all have to shower afterward. Sure, there were a few guys who weren't circumcised (and all boys check each other out, even if they don't admit it). But, I don't ever remember an uncircumcised boy being teased. No one cared one way or another.
I do though, why can't you alow the boy in question to wait until he's like 12 years old and decide for himself? Because, it's my decisiont (as a parent) to make. I don't have any children, but any sons I have will be circumcised.
Why is it up to you to decide? How do you know that they will want to be circumcised?

I wasn't baptised when I was born. I turned out to be an atheist (as most of Swedens population) so I'm happy that I wasn't baptised.

The parents can't decide everything for children.

Enoch · Joined: 29 Aug 2005 Posts: 9053

Narvik wrote: Enoch wrote: Narvik wrote: Enoch wrote: Narvik wrote: LostSoul3412 wrote: Narvik wrote: Boys who are circumcised most probably get teased in Sweden.

Uh... how do you know who's been circumcised?...
In public schools there's public showers. In Sweden we have something called "physical education", have you ever heard of that? I remember being in middle school and high school, in P.E. class, when the boys would all have to shower afterward. Sure, there were a few guys who weren't circumcised (and all boys check each other out, even if they don't admit it). But, I don't ever remember an uncircumcised boy being teased. No one cared one way or another.
I do though, why can't you alow the boy in question to wait until he's like 12 years old and decide for himself? Because, it's my decisiont (as a parent) to make. I don't have any children, but any sons I have will be circumcised.
Why is it up to you to decide? How do you know that they will want to be circumcised?

I wasn't baptised when I was born. I turned out to be an atheist (as most of Swedens population) so I'm happy that I wasn't baptised.

The parents can't decide everything for children. Apples and oranges. Baptism has no effect on people unless, as an adult, they do it out of their own religious conviction. I could be baptised all day long, still wouldn't make me a Christian. But, if you want to throw personal anecdotes in to it, I was circumcised as a baby and I haven't regretted for a single moment in my life. I'm glad I am.

Why is it up to me as the parent? Because, my baby hardly has the ability to consent.

Narvik · Joined: 13 Apr 2006 Posts: 607 Location: Orsa

Enoch wrote: Narvik wrote: Enoch wrote: Narvik wrote: Enoch wrote: Narvik wrote: LostSoul3412 wrote: Narvik wrote: Boys who are circumcised most probably get teased in Sweden.

Uh... how do you know who's been circumcised?...
In public schools there's public showers. In Sweden we have something called "physical education", have you ever heard of that? I remember being in middle school and high school, in P.E. class, when the boys would all have to shower afterward. Sure, there were a few guys who weren't circumcised (and all boys check each other out, even if they don't admit it). But, I don't ever remember an uncircumcised boy being teased. No one cared one way or another.
I do though, why can't you alow the boy in question to wait until he's like 12 years old and decide for himself? Because, it's my decisiont (as a parent) to make. I don't have any children, but any sons I have will be circumcised.
Why is it up to you to decide? How do you know that they will want to be circumcised?

I wasn't baptised when I was born. I turned out to be an atheist (as most of Swedens population) so I'm happy that I wasn't baptised.

The parents can't decide everything for children. Apples and oranges. Baptism has no effect on people unless, as an adult, they do it out of their own religious conviction. I could be baptised all day long, still wouldn't make me a Christian. But, if you want to throw personal anecdotes in to it, I was circumcised as a baby and I haven't regretted for a single moment in my life. I'm glad I am.

Why is it up to me as the parent? Because, my baby hardly has the ability to consent.
The baby might think that it was a bad decition when they grow up..

Enoch · Joined: 29 Aug 2005 Posts: 9053

Narvik wrote:
The baby might think that it was a bad decition when they grow up.. So?? A child might think the parents made a lot of bad decisions when they grow up. That doesn't mean the parents should keep from making decisions they feel are in the best interest of their children.

LostSoul3412 · Joined: 11 Feb 2005 Posts: 8316

Enoch wrote: Narvik wrote:
The baby might think that it was a bad decition when they grow up.. So?? A child might think the parents made a lot of bad decisions when they grow up. That doesn't mean the parents should keep from making decisions they feel are in the best interest of their children.

:tu:

Some children think being born was a bad decision when they grow up too, should we outlaw childbirth as well?

Narvik · Joined: 13 Apr 2006 Posts: 607 Location: Orsa

Enoch wrote: Narvik wrote:
The baby might think that it was a bad decition when they grow up.. So?? A child might think the parents made a lot of bad decisions when they grow up. That doesn't mean the parents should keep from making decisions they feel are in the best interest of their children.
uhm..
It is absolutely not necessary to circumcise your child but a lot of those "bad decisions" are necessary.

Try to be logical.

Enoch · Joined: 29 Aug 2005 Posts: 9053

Narvik wrote: Enoch wrote: Narvik wrote:
The baby might think that it was a bad decition when they grow up.. So?? A child might think the parents made a lot of bad decisions when they grow up. That doesn't mean the parents should keep from making decisions they feel are in the best interest of their children.
uhm..
It is absolutely not necessary to circumcise your child but a lot of those "bad decisions" are necessary.

Try to be logical. I am being logical. Just as you say it is not necessary to circumcize a child, it is not necessary not to either. There are a host of reasons for the decision; from the religious to the personal. However, it is up to the parent to decide what they feel is best for their child, and act in that way.