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Enoch
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| Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 12:15 pm Post subject: |
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Bonobo wrote:
To baptism at least I can see a slight connection. The comparison fails completely of course due to the fact that in 10 years time if the child \ teenager wants to revoke his faith he can with no permenant symbol there he can't get rid of. You are predicating this whole thing on the misconceived notion that circumcisions are ONLY done by religious people. |
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Varyag
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| Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 12:37 pm Post subject: |
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| No, under any circumstances. Circumcision is for reproductive health what herion was as a cough medicine, most americans are circumcised and I can see why defending it would act as a form of self-reassurance, but the truth is circumcision debilitates sexual and health function. |
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LostSoul3412
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| Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 12:50 pm Post subject: |
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Bonobo wrote: How exacltly are you comparing circumcision to abortion?
It was in reference to the "pro-circumcision" comment, because often times people make "pro-abortion" comments; but those people are idiots, and you're not an idiot, right?
Bonobo wrote: To baptism at least I can see a slight connection. The comparison fails completely of course due to the fact that in 10 years time if the child \ teenager wants to revoke his faith he can with no permenant symbol there he can't get rid of.
The symbol is between the individual and God, much like circumcision.
Unless you go around searching for circumcised individuals, I fail to see how the physical mark is a reason for argument. |
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LostSoul3412
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| Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 12:51 pm Post subject: |
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Varyag wrote: the truth is circumcision debilitates sexual and health function.
Proof? |
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perdidochas
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| Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 12:59 pm Post subject: |
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Enoch wrote: Bonobo wrote: ALl of the pro circumcision people, you will just somehow try to ignore that you are forcing the symbol of your religion onto your child for life (one he may loathe when older), and that by allowing the child the choice you lose nothing but gain alot? What about those of us who will circumcise their sons, but not for religious reasons?
My religion has no stand for or against circumcision...but, I'll still circumcise my sons.
Exactly, only about 1% of the circumcisions in the U.S. are for religious reasons. |
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Enoch
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| Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 1:01 pm Post subject: |
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| Varyag wrote: No, under any circumstances. Circumcision is for reproductive health what herion was as a cough medicine, most americans are circumcised and I can see why defending it would act as a form of self-reassurance, but the truth is circumcision debilitates sexual and health function. Can you prove those claims? |
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Grindstone
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| Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 1:14 pm Post subject: |
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| It amazes me what people cry about these days. |
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LostSoul3412
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| Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 1:17 pm Post subject: |
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Grindstone wrote: It amazes me what people cry about these days.
B-b-b-b-b-but...
T3H CHILDZ! W3 NED LAWLZ 4 T3H CHILDZ! |
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Narvik
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The Comrade wrote: mr.snruB wrote: Oh.....it's alright to cut off part of a young boys penis for hygiene because he may not wash it. Riiiiight.
How come people don't rip out kids teeth to prevent cavities?
I say you wait until he's old enough to understand what the procedure is, and let him decide for himself
hyperbole. and a stupid one at that.
and i'm happy i was circumcised before i could feel, remember, and understand the pain. and i really am happy i don't need to spend an extra five minutes scrubbing my junk to make sure it doesn't smell like a landfill.
5 mins? hah! it just takes a few seconds.... |
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00timh
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| Utterly amazed that something so common and accepted has gotten 13 pages. I have a lot of baggage in my life but I doubt any of it is from being circumcised. I have two kids and the plumbing still works whenever I want it to. I don't think that it has caused any dysfunction. |
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Narvik
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00timh wrote: Utterly amazed that something so common and accepted has gotten 13 pages. I have a lot of baggage in my life but I doubt any of it is from being circumcised. I have two kids and the plumbing still works whenever I want it to. I don't think that it has caused any dysfunction.
It's not very common in Europe. Boys who are circumcised most probably get teased in Sweden. |
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The Comrade
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Narvik wrote:
5 mins? hah! it just takes a few seconds....
is this the premise of your earth shattering argument? |
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Enoch
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| Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 5:27 pm Post subject: |
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Narvik wrote: 00timh wrote: Utterly amazed that something so common and accepted has gotten 13 pages. I have a lot of baggage in my life but I doubt any of it is from being circumcised. I have two kids and the plumbing still works whenever I want it to. I don't think that it has caused any dysfunction.
It's not very common in Europe. Boys who are circumcised most probably get teased in Sweden. How does that matter? |
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LostSoul3412
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Narvik wrote: Boys who are circumcised most probably get teased in Sweden.
Uh... how do you know who's been circumcised?... |
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Narvik
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| Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 10:57 am Post subject: |
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LostSoul3412 wrote: Narvik wrote: Boys who are circumcised most probably get teased in Sweden.
Uh... how do you know who's been circumcised?...
In public schools there's public showers. In Sweden we have something called "physical education", have you ever heard of that? |
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Narvik
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| Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 10:58 am Post subject: |
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The Comrade wrote: Narvik wrote:
5 mins? hah! it just takes a few seconds....
is this the premise of your earth shattering argument?
yeah! |
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Narvik
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Enoch wrote: Narvik wrote: 00timh wrote: Utterly amazed that something so common and accepted has gotten 13 pages. I have a lot of baggage in my life but I doubt any of it is from being circumcised. I have two kids and the plumbing still works whenever I want it to. I don't think that it has caused any dysfunction.
It's not very common in Europe. Boys who are circumcised most probably get teased in Sweden. How does that matter?
Many Americans use the opposite as a reason to circumcise boys.
00timh also said that it's commonly accepted. It's not in Sweden. A lot of people think it's barbaric and unnecessary. |
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Enoch
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| Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 11:06 am Post subject: |
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Narvik wrote: Enoch wrote: Narvik wrote: 00timh wrote: Utterly amazed that something so common and accepted has gotten 13 pages. I have a lot of baggage in my life but I doubt any of it is from being circumcised. I have two kids and the plumbing still works whenever I want it to. I don't think that it has caused any dysfunction.
It's not very common in Europe. Boys who are circumcised most probably get teased in Sweden. How does that matter?
Many Americans use the opposite as a reason to circumcise boys.
00timh also said that it's commonly accepted. It's not in Sweden. A lot of people think it's barbaric and unnecessary. It may not be common in Sweden, but it is common in the United States. If people want to use commonality as a reason, it should be commonality of the society in which they live. Therefore, how common it is in Sweden its a pointless point if talking about Americans circumcising their sons. |
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Enoch
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| Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 11:09 am Post subject: |
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Narvik wrote: LostSoul3412 wrote: Narvik wrote: Boys who are circumcised most probably get teased in Sweden.
Uh... how do you know who's been circumcised?...
In public schools there's public showers. In Sweden we have something called "physical education", have you ever heard of that? I remember being in middle school and high school, in P.E. class, when the boys would all have to shower afterward. Sure, there were a few guys who weren't circumcised (and all boys check each other out, even if they don't admit it). But, I don't ever remember an uncircumcised boy being teased. No one cared one way or another. |
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Narvik
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| Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 12:03 pm Post subject: |
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Enoch wrote: Narvik wrote: LostSoul3412 wrote: Narvik wrote: Boys who are circumcised most probably get teased in Sweden.
Uh... how do you know who's been circumcised?...
In public schools there's public showers. In Sweden we have something called "physical education", have you ever heard of that? I remember being in middle school and high school, in P.E. class, when the boys would all have to shower afterward. Sure, there were a few guys who weren't circumcised (and all boys check each other out, even if they don't admit it). But, I don't ever remember an uncircumcised boy being teased. No one cared one way or another.
I do though, why can't you alow the boy in question to wait until he's like 12 years old and decide for himself? |
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