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[Ssushi]

http://www.boreme.com/boreme/funny-2006/bush-stay-the-course-p1.php

Another U-turn from Bush; this time stating: ''We were never 'stay the course'''.

Looks like the governments confindence in trying to win in Iraq has finally cracked, cut-and-run-here-we-come...

[TwinkieDP]

So whos the Waffle maker now!! :lol: :lol:

[johnflesh]

I don't care, at this point how he brings our troops home, as long as he brings our troops home.

As for the elections this doesn't help Republicans a whole lot. I respect our president I just wish his mouth didn't represent the people of the US.

[philm]

I'm a brit. I agree the troops should come home, as soon as POSSIBLE.
I just think that now is not that time.
We invaded Iraq, I must say I was not wholeheartedly in favour of the action(but hey, it happened). Our two countries have a responsability to return Iraq to a semblance of normality before we depart.
A simple flight with our collective tails between our legs, will neither help our international reputation - nor will it help the geo-political situation.
It will be taken, quite rightly, by the Chinese, Russians, Iranians, North Koreans and God help us The French, as a sign of weakness.
A sign that the Anglo-American alliance is weak-willed and unable to follow through on the course of action so strongly advocated only months (weeks?) before.

[coolhandluke]

Face it, the man is an embarrassment and his Cabinet is spineless. He has paralyzed the country and is leading us over the abyss by of course “staying the course”. It’s painful to watch him and his Cabinet spew the same rhetoric over and over....

[asainspace]

philm wrote: I'm a brit. I agree the troops should come home, as soon as POSSIBLE.
I just think that now is not that time.
We invaded Iraq, I must say I was not wholeheartedly in favour of the action(but hey, it happened). Our two countries have a responsability to return Iraq to a semblance of normality before we depart.
A simple flight with our collective tails between our legs, will neither help our international reputation - nor will it help the geo-political situation.
It will be taken, quite rightly, by the Chinese, Russians, Iranians, North Koreans and God help us The French, as a sign of weakness.
A sign that the Anglo-American alliance is weak-willed and unable to follow through on the course of action so strongly advocated only months (weeks?) before.

So, how can that be achieved when even senior military and political figures are saying quite openly that our presence is fuelling the troubles? If you care to really know, the anti-occupation is in full swing, not just the sectarian conflict that aids to deceive the truth of what is happening. This goe's to serve government interest in placing a delusional picture of events at your feet to keep you obediently mute whilst the situation grows ever more chaotic and contemptable due to our actions that have caused this.

[asainspace]

coolhandluke wrote: Face it, the man is an embarrassment and his Cabinet is spineless. He has paralyzed the country and is leading us over the abyss by of course “staying the course”. It’s painful to watch him and his Cabinet spew the same rhetoric over and over....

I thought rhetoric was only the preserve of pansy anti-war commie slag b*****s? :lol:

[philm]

I don't dispute that most Iraquis (most people in the world for that matter) want us to go home.
I just think that to turn tails and run, as we seem to be about to do, would be a betrayal of the ideas that many US and UK servicement (not to mention the various other nationalities) have given their lives for.
Despite not agreeing in principle with the Iraqui War, as a patriot, I care a great deal about my country's reputation in the World.
I do not want to be a citizen of a country that brings chaos where once there was stability.


Pax Britiania...and all that

[asainspace]

philm wrote: I don't dispute that most Iraquis (most people in the world for that matter) want us to go home.
I just think that to turn tails and run, as we seem to be about to do, would be a betrayal of the ideas that many US and UK servicement (not to mention the various other nationalities) have given their lives for.
Despite not agreeing in principle with the Iraqui War, as a patriot, I care a great deal about my country's reputation in the World.
I do not want to be a citizen of a country that brings chaos where once there was stability.


Pax Britiania...and all that

But do you not think that the ideas that these men were sent to die for were corrupt, unjustifiable ideas to begin with?

If the answer is yes, by which your post seems to suggest then those responsible for sending them are guilty of treason against their own people? Is that not a bigger crime than not supporting the war and falling in line with your nations policies abroad?

For me, I have respect for every man and woman in our forces, but I also have respect for those that oppose us (Iraqi resistance and not the Sectarian factions which kill the innocent. My most important moral stand in all this is that I'm absolutely furious for every life that has been lost there, both innocent and members of our forces and I don't wish harm on anyone to be precise. But I cannot accept what has happened and the continuing absence of justice. Surely, as well as insisting they have a democractic system of representation, we should be sorting out our own which led to this fatal chapter in history and ensuring we never allow our nation and it's people to be used and deceived to such a degree again. Once more, they are able to deflect the attention away from the fundamental problems we have in our own systems.

[ilovebushnotdick]

Ssushi wrote: http://www.boreme.com/boreme/funny-2006/bush-stay-the-course-p1.php

Another U-turn from Bush; this time stating: ''We were never 'stay the course'''.

Looks like the governments confindence in trying to win in Iraq has finally cracked, cut-and-run-here-we-come...
:lol:
sadly this comedy will not bring back all the people bush killed in Iraq :x

[Fido]

Ssushi wrote: http://www.boreme.com/boreme/funny-2006/bush-stay-the-course-p1.php

Another U-turn from Bush; this time stating: ''We were never 'stay the course'''.

Looks like the governments confindence in trying to win in Iraq has finally cracked, cut-and-run-here-we-come...

He still does not want us to get disillusioned. Without illusions we would not have went there. Without our illusions we would not be there. Without our illusions we would not stay there. If the dreams of opium smokers have cost some money in days past, how much more is the dream of Iraq worth in money and blood? Were he capable of honesty Bush would admit that it was never dreams or illusions we were chasing in Iraq, but fumes.

[Fido]

ilovebushnotdick wrote: Ssushi wrote: http://www.boreme.com/boreme/funny-2006/bush-stay-the-course-p1.php

Another U-turn from Bush; this time stating: ''We were never 'stay the course'''.

Looks like the governments confindence in trying to win in Iraq has finally cracked, cut-and-run-here-we-come...
:lol:
sadly this comedy will not bring back all the people bush killed in Iraq :x

Fortunately, most of them have been Iraqis.

What kind of life is that to qualify as a life when any damned bunch of idiots can plant foreign boots all over your country, invade your homes, imprison you at will, kill you on a whim, dishonor you in front of your children, and defile you in front of your God. I have never subscribed to the notion that there are only two types of people in this world, but in relation to Iraq there are certainly sqwewers, and sqwewees.

Does it not make you question the value of our government when people can engage us in such inauspicious adventures on a lie without even troubling to get a consensus, or even a serious and committed majority? This is not democracy at work, but a bunch of lunatics escaped. Somebody throw a net over them, and call the rubber truck.

[Fido]

asainspace wrote: philm wrote: I don't dispute that most Iraquis (most people in the world for that matter) want us to go home.
I just think that to turn tails and run, as we seem to be about to do, would be a betrayal of the ideas that many US and UK servicement (not to mention the various other nationalities) have given their lives for.
Despite not agreeing in principle with the Iraqui War, as a patriot, I care a great deal about my country's reputation in the World.
I do not want to be a citizen of a country that brings chaos where once there was stability.


Pax Britiania...and all that

But do you not think that the ideas that these men were sent to die for were corrupt, unjustifiable ideas to begin with?

If the answer is yes, by which your post seems to suggest then those responsible for sending them are guilty of treason against their own people? Is that not a bigger crime than not supporting the war and falling in line with your nations policies abroad?

For me, I have respect for every man and woman in our forces, but I also have respect for those that oppose us (Iraqi resistance and not the Sectarian factions which kill the innocent. My most important moral stand in all this is that I'm absolutely furious for every life that has been lost there, both innocent and members of our forces and I don't wish harm on anyone to be precise. But I cannot accept what has happened and the continuing absence of justice. Surely, as well as insisting they have a democractic system of representation, we should be sorting out our own which led to this fatal chapter in history and ensuring we never allow our nation and it's people to be used and deceived to such a degree again. Once more, they are able to deflect the attention away from the fundamental problems we have in our own systems.

DITTO

[Fido]

coolhandluke wrote: Face it, the man is an embarrassment and his Cabinet is spineless. He has paralyzed the country and is leading us over the abyss by of course “staying the course”. It’s painful to watch him and his Cabinet spew the same rhetoric over and over....

What we have here is a failure to communicate.

[Angelicus]

Fido wrote: ilovebushnotdick wrote: Ssushi wrote: http://www.boreme.com/boreme/funny-2006/bush-stay-the-course-p1.php

Another U-turn from Bush; this time stating: ''We were never 'stay the course'''.

Looks like the governments confindence in trying to win in Iraq has finally cracked, cut-and-run-here-we-come...
:lol:
sadly this comedy will not bring back all the people bush killed in Iraq :x

Fortunately, most of them have been Iraqis.

What kind of life is that to qualify as a life when any damned bunch of idiots can plant foreign boots all over your country, invade your homes, imprison you at will, kill you on a whim, dishonor you in front of your children, and defile you in front of your God. I have never subscribed to the notion that there are only two types of people in this world, but in relation to Iraq there are certainly sqwewers, and sqwewees.

Does it not make you question the value of our government when people can engage us in such inauspicious adventures on a lie without even troubling to get a consensus, or even a serious and committed majority? This is not democracy at work, but a bunch of lunatics escaped. Somebody throw a net over them, and call the rubber truck.

Whatever..........boohoo some terrorists got arrested in Iraq boohoo. Cry me a fracking river.

Oh and there was a consensus to go into Iraq.

The Congress did vote on the use of force against Iraq, and it voted FOR it.

This vote FOR the invasion of Iraq also included such leftists as Hillary Clinton, John Kerry, and John Murtha. The left would do well to remember that as they sit there on thier highchairs pointing the finger at everyone else.

[melchizedek22]

coolhandluke wrote: Face it, the man is an embarrassment and his Cabinet is spineless. He has paralyzed the country and is leading us over the abyss by of course “staying the course”. It’s painful to watch him and his Cabinet spew the same rhetoric over and over....
At some point it stops being rhetoric,and starts being BS!

[wyldejackyl]

Angelicus wrote:

Whatever..........boohoo some terrorists got arrested in Iraq boohoo. Cry me a fracking river.

Oh and there was a consensus to go into Iraq.

The Congress did vote on the use of force against Iraq, and it voted FOR it.

This vote FOR the invasion of Iraq also included such leftists as Hillary Clinton, John Kerry, and John Murtha. The left would do well to remember that as they sit there on thier highchairs pointing the finger at everyone else.

Maybe next time the Chinese will be invading the USA, arresting and shooting a bunch of "terrorists" (IE: us). Their parliament or whatever will vote for a war and their people will "support" it.
Do you see where this gets us? Right and wrong is in the eye of the beholder..except in our case, I think the majority of our country realizes that we were wrong, and had we not been lied to by our government, many more would have been opposed. You don't think there's anything wrong with this?!

[asainspace]

Angelicus wrote: Fido wrote: ilovebushnotdick wrote: Ssushi wrote: http://www.boreme.com/boreme/funny-2006/bush-stay-the-course-p1.php

Another U-turn from Bush; this time stating: ''We were never 'stay the course'''.

Looks like the governments confindence in trying to win in Iraq has finally cracked, cut-and-run-here-we-come...
:lol:
sadly this comedy will not bring back all the people bush killed in Iraq :x

Fortunately, most of them have been Iraqis.

What kind of life is that to qualify as a life when any damned bunch of idiots can plant foreign boots all over your country, invade your homes, imprison you at will, kill you on a whim, dishonor you in front of your children, and defile you in front of your God. I have never subscribed to the notion that there are only two types of people in this world, but in relation to Iraq there are certainly sqwewers, and sqwewees.

Does it not make you question the value of our government when people can engage us in such inauspicious adventures on a lie without even troubling to get a consensus, or even a serious and committed majority? This is not democracy at work, but a bunch of lunatics escaped. Somebody throw a net over them, and call the rubber truck.

Whatever..........boohoo some terrorists got arrested in Iraq boohoo. Cry me a fracking river.

Oh and there was a consensus to go into Iraq.

The Congress did vote on the use of force against Iraq, and it voted FOR it.

This vote FOR the invasion of Iraq also included such leftists as Hillary Clinton, John Kerry, and John Murtha. The left would do well to remember that as they sit there on thier highchairs pointing the finger at everyone else.

This isn't about left or right. From where I stand the two parties are not that far apart.

What really happened was a complete failure of American politics and your couldn't care less attitude towards those we have killed there is disgusting.

And please, clarify how a member of the resistance to US occupation in Iraq can be a terrorist in their own country? Or do you just lump everyone for no matter what reason in to the same package just to help blur the real situation?????

Oh, just one last thing. Your so called consensus was flawed, just only the pro-war can't seem to grasp that they ave been singled out as the liars and willing puppets for your governments illegal, immoral and unjustified invasion.

So, when someone next attacks you, I will be the first going "Boohoo, some terrorist attacked you in revenge for your part in murdering hundreds of thousands of innocent people.......boo hoo".

Your pathetic and it's this type of attitude that has led to Iraq becoming the chaotic mess it is. You devalue and dehumanise a whole people, just so you can pretend to yourself that you are right in some bizarre way.

[mendosan]

I think that its time for the British troops to come home, because we are intesifying the situation in Basra and where we are in southern Iraq, however I am very fearful that if the US leaves there will be no stopping the massive civil war and mass genocides, which will follow, which will make the current situation seem trivial.

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So, when someone next attacks you, I will be the first going "Boohoo, some terrorist attacked you in revenge for your part in murdering hundreds of thousands of innocent people.......boo hoo".

Which would man you Asainspace, no better that he is, and just as lamentable.

[johnflesh]

Angelicus wrote: Fido wrote: ilovebushnotdick wrote: Ssushi wrote: http://www.boreme.com/boreme/funny-2006/bush-stay-the-course-p1.php

Another U-turn from Bush; this time stating: ''We were never 'stay the course'''.

Looks like the governments confindence in trying to win in Iraq has finally cracked, cut-and-run-here-we-come...
:lol:
sadly this comedy will not bring back all the people bush killed in Iraq :x

Fortunately, most of them have been Iraqis.

What kind of life is that to qualify as a life when any damned bunch of idiots can plant foreign boots all over your country, invade your homes, imprison you at will, kill you on a whim, dishonor you in front of your children, and defile you in front of your God. I have never subscribed to the notion that there are only two types of people in this world, but in relation to Iraq there are certainly sqwewers, and sqwewees.

Does it not make you question the value of our government when people can engage us in such inauspicious adventures on a lie without even troubling to get a consensus, or even a serious and committed majority? This is not democracy at work, but a bunch of lunatics escaped. Somebody throw a net over them, and call the rubber truck.

Whatever..........boohoo some terrorists got arrested in Iraq boohoo. Cry me a fracking river.

Oh and there was a consensus to go into Iraq.

The Congress did vote on the use of force against Iraq, and it voted FOR it.

This vote FOR the invasion of Iraq also included such leftists as Hillary Clinton, John Kerry, and John Murtha. The left would do well to remember that as they sit there on thier highchairs pointing the finger at everyone else.

Oh how I wish it were this easy and this simplistic. Infact I wish it were just about these subjects alone, would make it simple yeah? Well I think it is time to grow up and realize this isn't as simple as you make it out.

The things we do now echo our entire lives, just remember that.