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programmusic
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| Posted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 6:09 pm Post subject: Underground City being dug in Gaza |
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http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?c=JPArticle&cid=1159193510716&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull
How wonderful that we gave them control of gaza. |
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bunny
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| Posted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 6:20 pm Post subject: |
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Israel turn Gaza into a 'prison' closing borders, closing ports, stopping a flow of goods - not to mention the financial embargo against them....
Geez, who woulda thought that they would go about trying to dig out?
Anyone?
because this is certianly the last thing I would have thought of... |
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programmusic
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| Posted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 6:21 pm Post subject: |
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| especially with all the poverty and misery and noone having jobs. Maybe cause all their money is going to trying to destroy Israel. |
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bunny
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| Posted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 6:22 pm Post subject: |
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programmusic wrote: especially with all the poverty and misery and noone having jobs. Maybe cause all their money is going to trying to destroy Israel.
whatever dude, enjoy your hate & ignorance.... |
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lilwolf
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| Posted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 6:24 pm Post subject: |
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| Cool...now all they gotta do is just blow it up....works for me 8:) |
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programmusic
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| Posted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 6:25 pm Post subject: |
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hate and ignorance?
Well I'm not perticularly fond of people who spend all their money trying to kill me. |
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slitedeviance
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| Posted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 7:22 pm Post subject: |
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programmusic wrote: Well I'm not perticularly fond of people who spend all their money trying to kill me.
Honestly not trying to troll, but how many of the Palestinian population would you class that as? Also, how much money would you think they have to spend trying to kill you?
.......and isn't Gaza their land? I mean, at least their not doing this on Israeli soil. |
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Venom
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| Posted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 9:52 pm Post subject: |
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Quote: Honestly not trying to troll, but how many of the Palestinian population would you class that as?
Apparently the majority... they voted Hamas into office did they not? A group who's based upon terrorism and specifically killing Israelis.
Quote: and isn't Gaza their land?
Apparently it's a terrorist camp used to launch attacks on Israeli soil. Glad to see why the IDF shouldn't occupy areas in an attempt to stop this sort of activity... :roll:
They were finding advanced anti-tank missiles, etc in these tunnels. Apparently they were gearing up to attack Israel. Could Hamas possibly use this money to develop schools or something? Sure... but then again they just want Israel wiped out... |
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Nico
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| Posted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 10:07 pm Post subject: |
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| I guess if people are shooting at you stopping you at borders on the surface, underground looks quite inviting. Still, it belongs to them so they can dig to the centre of the earth for all I care. |
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Nico
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| Posted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 10:10 pm Post subject: |
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Venom wrote: Could Hamas possibly use this money to develop schools or something? Sure... but then again they just want Israel wiped out...
I'm pretty sure the reason they got voted in was exactly because they were building schools and hospitals. Their backwards view of Israel is secondary to having the support of their people, or they would have never trumped the corrupt PLO.
Maybe if Israel didn't want Hamas aroud, they shouldn't have funded them at the start. |
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The Newb
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| Posted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 11:18 pm Post subject: |
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lilwolf wrote: Cool...now all they gotta do is just blow it up....works for me 8:)
underground nuke test? :lol: |
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SpartanPhalanx
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| Posted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 11:19 pm Post subject: |
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Venom wrote: Quote: Honestly not trying to troll, but how many of the Palestinian population would you class that as?
Apparently the majority... they voted Hamas into office did they not? A group who's based upon terrorism and specifically killing Israelis.
Quote: and isn't Gaza their land?
Apparently it's a terrorist camp used to launch attacks on Israeli soil. Glad to see why the IDF shouldn't occupy areas in an attempt to stop this sort of activity... :roll:
They were finding advanced anti-tank missiles, etc in these tunnels. Apparently they were gearing up to attack Israel. Could Hamas possibly use this money to develop schools or something? Sure... but then again they just want Israel wiped out...
Advanced Anti-tank missiles?.....if that were the case I wonder why they weren't used during the dozens of Israelis raids into Gaza over the past few months....do you have a link to support your claim? |
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Saracen
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| Posted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 11:21 pm Post subject: |
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SpartanPhalanx wrote: Venom wrote: Quote: Honestly not trying to troll, but how many of the Palestinian population would you class that as?
Apparently the majority... they voted Hamas into office did they not? A group who's based upon terrorism and specifically killing Israelis.
Quote: and isn't Gaza their land?
Apparently it's a terrorist camp used to launch attacks on Israeli soil. Glad to see why the IDF shouldn't occupy areas in an attempt to stop this sort of activity... :roll:
They were finding advanced anti-tank missiles, etc in these tunnels. Apparently they were gearing up to attack Israel. Could Hamas possibly use this money to develop schools or something? Sure... but then again they just want Israel wiped out...
Advanced Anti-tank missiles?.....if that were the case I wonder why they weren't used during the dozens of Israelis raids into Gaza over the past few months....do you have a link to support your claim?
I've said this before. I'll say it again. Israeli officials have continuously used false evidence to hide their alterior motives. These underground tunnels are in no way a threat to the Israelis as much as the Palestinian collaborators amongst the Palestinians are a threat to the Palestinians. |
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Venom
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| Posted: Wed Oct 25, 2006 1:48 am Post subject: |
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Quote: Advanced Anti-tank missiles?.....if that were the case I wonder why they weren't used during the dozens of Israelis raids into Gaza over the past few months....do you have a link to support your claim?
I'm using the link provided at the 1st post.... Quote: He also confirmed that sophisticated anti-tank missiles were in the hands of Gaza terror groups
Saracen
Quote: These underground tunnels are in no way a threat to the Israelis as much as the Palestinian collaborators amongst the Palestinians are a threat to the Palestinians.
They are a huge threat to both Israel and Palestine. Israel has been attacked from underground tunnels such as these and they have proven their worth in military conflict for decades. They are a threat to palestine because it may be reoccupation or retailation in that area. Maybe if Palestine would police themselves Israel wouldn't have to.
Nico
Quote: Maybe if Israel didn't want Hamas aroud, they shouldn't have funded them at the start.
Taking the apparent lesser evil of the time isn't an uncommon thing in history.
Quote: I'm pretty sure the reason they got voted in was exactly because they were building schools and hospitals. Their backwards view of Israel is secondary to having the support of their people, or they would have never trumped the corrupt PLO.
I'd say they won the battle over the PLO due to PLO leadership deaths and also the PLO's inability to remove the occupation 1st and foremost. |
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Saracen
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| Posted: Wed Oct 25, 2006 1:58 am Post subject: |
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Venom wrote: They are a huge threat to both Israel and Palestine. Israel has been attacked from underground tunnels such as these and they have proven their worth in military conflict for decades. They are a threat to palestine because it may be reoccupation or retailation in that area. Maybe if Palestine would police themselves Israel wouldn't have to.
Threatening the liberty of the Palestinians just for the sake of Israeli security is typical colonialist mentality. The RAF back in the days used to spray Arab towns with their fighter planes just so they can "have some peace and quiet". |
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superskippy
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Quote: These underground tunnels are in no way a threat to the Israelis as much as the Palestinian collaborators amongst the Palestinians are a threat to the Palestinians.
What? |
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Nico
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| Posted: Wed Oct 25, 2006 7:46 pm Post subject: |
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Venom wrote:
Quote: Maybe if Israel didn't want Hamas aroud, they shouldn't have funded them at the start.
Taking the apparent lesser evil of the time isn't an uncommon thing in history.
Choosing Islamist fundamentalism from well known terrorist roots, over the secular PLO was a lesser of two evils?
That the PLO was secular should have said a lot about what drove the palestinian issue, and in fact it was PLO corruption and nepotism alone that sank them in the face of Hamas. Hamas were seen to at least be honest in dealing with their own people, and yet this was the choice given to them in part and by design, by Israel itself.
How could Israel fund the Muslim Brotherhood knowing as it did, anything about its past? This makes it easy to box Palestinians as Islamists, but the palestinians had a choice between what? A corrupt ingrained organisation, and a less corrupt, socially helpful organisation that carried on its back fundamentalist religion.
given the choice between nothing and something, Palestinians chose something , and we straight away chuck them in the fundamentalist box. Where were their other options? Israel didn't fund a secular socially conscious organisation. In fact they routinely make adjustments to politics in palestine, arrests of senior people from any organisation they chose, whenever they chose.
How sorry are we supposed to feel that hamas has become the government given this degree of control? How many alternatives are locked up in Ansar on 'administrative detention'? |
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