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Venom
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| Posted: Sun Oct 22, 2006 2:02 pm Post subject: |
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Well since Israel dropped the bomblets, it would appear the only course of action for Israel would be to send their military over the border once again in order to deal with this UXO. Of course that wouldn't start more fighting would it? Naaaaaa....
Oh and also again as I've stated in previous threads, cluster munitions are the weapons of choice to use against missile launchers. That's the best way to deal with those weapons and Israel did just that. Now who's fault is it that they had to attack these civilian areas? Hezbollah. So I supposed Israel should have used more more ineffective means to deal with these missile sights they attacked? Doesn't sound too pratical to me when your country is under attack. |
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agentkgb
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| Posted: Sun Oct 22, 2006 2:16 pm Post subject: |
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Venom wrote: Well since Israel dropped the bomblets, it would appear the only course of action for Israel would be to send their military over the border once again in order to deal with this UXO. Of course that wouldn't start more fighting would it? Naaaaaa....
Oh and also again as I've stated in previous threads, cluster munitions are the weapons of choice to use against missile launchers. That's the best way to deal with those weapons and Israel did just that. Now who's fault is it that they had to attack these civilian areas? Hezbollah. So I supposed Israel should have used more more ineffective means to deal with these missile sights they attacked? Doesn't sound too pratical to me when your country is under attack.
Would it not have been practical for the Lebanese people to unite with Hezbollah and fight off Israel then? Militarily, that might have been a better option. After all, their country was under attack.
EDITED TO ADD: Note, I don't support Hezbollah. |
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Venom
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| Posted: Sun Oct 22, 2006 3:10 pm Post subject: |
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Quote: Would it not have been practical for the Lebanese people to unite with Hezbollah and fight off Israel then? Militarily, that might have been a better option. After all, their country was under attack.
Well that wouldn't be more practical from a military standpoint as if they all rushed up to grab a weapon and attack Israel they would attempt to take on the IDF with their country's conventional forces whom would most likely suffer great losses as they lack the equipment and training the IDF posses.
As for Joe Lebanese picking up a rifle, that would have drug out a longer period of fighting, more bombings, and then you take into account Hezbollah had created bunkers and weapons caches that I would assume these people were not all given information on their location. Thus they become a large security issue when they are captured.
Their country was under attack and they did unite with Hezbollah with the words of their own President and also their support for them. However if they all were actively fighting Israel that would hurt their PR campaign as they couldn't claim to be helpless, defenseless Lebanese.
Also I believe it can be said that Lebanon is responsible for the attacks upon Israel. They knew of Hezbollah, were ordered to disarm them and did NOT even attempt to do this. |
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agentkgb
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| Posted: Sun Oct 22, 2006 3:12 pm Post subject: |
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Venom wrote: Quote: Would it not have been practical for the Lebanese people to unite with Hezbollah and fight off Israel then? Militarily, that might have been a better option. After all, their country was under attack.
Well that wouldn't be more practical from a military standpoint as if they all rushed up to grab a weapon and attack Israel they would attempt to take on the IDF with their country's conventional forces whom would most likely suffer great losses as they lack the equipment and training the IDF posses.
As for Joe Lebanese picking up a rifle, that would have drug out a longer period of fighting, more bombings, and then you take into account Hezbollah had created bunkers and weapons caches that I would assume these people were not all given information on their location. Thus they become a large security issue when they are captured.
Their country was under attack and they did unite with Hezbollah with the words of their own President and also their support for them. However if they all were actively fighting Israel that would hurt their PR campaign as they couldn't claim to be helpless, defenseless Lebanese.
Also I believe it can be said that Lebanon is responsible for the attacks upon Israel. They knew of Hezbollah, were ordered to disarm them and did NOT even attempt to do this.
Don't group every Lebanese person into one group or anything though... |
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lilwolf
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| Posted: Sun Oct 22, 2006 4:05 pm Post subject: |
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Bunny ...you really seem to enjoy it when a kid is killed...hell for that matter the things you are always saying like...what's the body count now or another one bites the dust.
It has also been proven that the hezbollah used a great deal of cluster bombs as well so before you can make your so called allegation you need to know what kind of munitions and where they came from.
Now maybe you can see why no one wants to take you seriously...your words are pathetic. |
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Venom
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| Posted: Sun Oct 22, 2006 4:50 pm Post subject: |
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Quote: Don't group every Lebanese person into one group or anything though...
While it's true that every Lebanese person doesn't support Hezbollah, not every Israeli supports the IDF.
Also your the one that said Quote: Would it not have been practical for the Lebanese people to unite with Hezbollah and fight off Israel then?
Which is grouping them, I was merely working off of your own scenario. |
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agentkgb
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| Posted: Sun Oct 22, 2006 4:56 pm Post subject: |
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Venom wrote: Quote: Don't group every Lebanese person into one group or anything though...
While it's true that every Lebanese person doesn't support Hezbollah, not every Israeli supports the IDF.
Also your the one that said Quote: Would it not have been practical for the Lebanese people to unite with Hezbollah and fight off Israel then?
Which is grouping them, I was merely working off of your own scenario.
My suggestion wasn't a serious one.
Also I should point out that tax-paying Israelis directly support the IDF, while Lebanese don't. It's not the Israelis' fault, but the issue's still there. |
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bunny
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| Posted: Sun Oct 22, 2006 4:59 pm Post subject: |
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lilwolf wrote: Bunny ...you really seem to enjoy it when a kid is killed...
I do... sorry, but, No.
lilwolf wrote: hell for that matter the things you are always saying like...what's the body count now or another one bites the dust.
So? they are soldiers, it's in thier job description to die...
Children are innocent.
lilwolf wrote:
Now maybe you can see why no one wants to take you seriously...your words are pathetic.
No, I can't... because for some reason people around here like to attack others personally, instead of arguing the issue.. much like yourself. And that, dude, is what is pathetic. |
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The Comrade
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| Posted: Sun Oct 22, 2006 5:02 pm Post subject: |
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bunny wrote:
I do... sorry, but, No.
then stop using them as a tool to further your rhetoric.
bunny wrote: So? they are soldiers, it's in thier job description to die...
no, a soldiers job description is defence of his country, with the risk of bodily harm. they aren't expected to die.
bunny wrote: No, I can't... because for some reason people around here like to attack others personally, instead of arguing the issue.. much like yourself. And that, dude, is what is pathetic.
off topic, but in all your threads you've done nothing but call people idiots, and you make blanket statements constantly. |
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bunny
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| Posted: Sun Oct 22, 2006 5:07 pm Post subject: |
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Comrade wrote: bunny wrote: So? they are soldiers, it's in thier job description to die...
no, a soldiers job description is defence of his country, with the risk of bodily harm. they aren't expected to die.
So, you are saying that; nowhere, in the job description of a soldier, does it say that death is a possibility, or the outcome of an act one is ORDERED to perform?
Please, dying is totally in the job description of every soldier. |
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The Comrade
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| Posted: Sun Oct 22, 2006 5:07 pm Post subject: |
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bunny wrote:
So, you are saying that; nowhere, in the job description of a soldier, does it say that death is a possibility, or the outcome of an act one is ORDERED to perform?
Please, dying is totally in the job description of every soldier.
a job description is something you are expected to do for said job.
a soldier is not expected to die. |
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bunny
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| Posted: Sun Oct 22, 2006 5:10 pm Post subject: |
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The Comrade wrote: bunny wrote:
So, you are saying that; nowhere, in the job description of a soldier, does it say that death is a possibility, or the outcome of an act one is ORDERED to perform?
Please, dying is totally in the job description of every soldier.
a job description is something you are expected to do for said job.
a soldier is not expected to die.
it's not that i disagree with what you are saying here, it's just that I'm looking at it from a different angle... in battle it is expected that a certian amount of losses will be sustained, the expectation of death comes with being a soldier. it would be naive for any soldier not to expect it. |
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The Comrade
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| Posted: Sun Oct 22, 2006 5:11 pm Post subject: |
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bunny wrote:
it's not that i disagree with what you are saying here, it's just that I'm looking at it from a different angle... in battle it is expected that a certian amount of losses will be sustained, the expectation of death comes with being a soldier. it would be naive for any soldier not to expect it.
knowing about the risk of dying, and expecting to die are two completley different things. |
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bunny
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| Posted: Sun Oct 22, 2006 5:14 pm Post subject: |
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The Comrade wrote: bunny wrote:
it's not that i disagree with what you are saying here, it's just that I'm looking at it from a different angle... in battle it is expected that a certian amount of losses will be sustained, the expectation of death comes with being a soldier. it would be naive for any soldier not to expect it.
knowing about the risk of dying, and expecting to die are two completley different things.
but going back to my original point; part of the job description.. well, it is part of it.
when you ordered into battle, you are trained to protect yourself against death, and to kill others, in turn making death & dying part of the job description, whether it be an expectation or not...
Are you suggesting that when soldiers die at war it is unexpected? |
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The Comrade
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| Posted: Sun Oct 22, 2006 5:19 pm Post subject: |
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bunny wrote:
but going back to my original point; part of the job description.. well, it is part of it.
when you ordered into battle, you are trained to protect yourself against death, and to kill others, in turn making death & dying part of the job description, whether it be an expectation or not...
if every soldier was expected to die then you wouldn't have many peopel signing up for the military
bunny wrote: Are you suggesting that when soldiers die at war it is unexpected?
no, you just did. |
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programmusic
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| Posted: Sun Oct 22, 2006 5:19 pm Post subject: |
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hezbollah also dropped cluster bombs.
btw bunny=fiction416 imo |
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bunny
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| Posted: Sun Oct 22, 2006 5:22 pm Post subject: |
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The Comrade wrote: bunny wrote:
but going back to my original point; part of the job description.. well, it is part of it.
when you ordered into battle, you are trained to protect yourself against death, and to kill others, in turn making death & dying part of the job description, whether it be an expectation or not...
if every soldier was expected to die then you wouldn't have many peopel signing up for the military
I'm not saying every soldier, as in 10/10 is going to die, leaving 0. I am saying that each individual is under the expectation that they could be 1 of many dead, in any number of circumstance associated with thier job; job description.
The Comrade wrote: bunny wrote: Are you suggesting that when soldiers die at war it is unexpected?
no, you just did.
I did... where? |
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Venom
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| Posted: Sun Oct 22, 2006 5:23 pm Post subject: |
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Quote: Also I should point out that tax-paying Israelis directly support the IDF, while Lebanese don't. It's not the Israelis' fault, but the issue's still there
Then you should point out that the tax-paying Lebanese, who's elected government has refused to disarm Hezbollah, the same group that brought the fighting to their front door. Their government is outright supporting Hezbollah. That is as direct as any tax paying Israel really.
Lebanse pay taxes to their government, their government supports Hezbollah.
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bunny
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| Posted: Sun Oct 22, 2006 5:23 pm Post subject: |
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programmusic wrote: hezbollah also dropped cluster bombs.
How many Israel children have died from them so far? |
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The Comrade
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| Posted: Sun Oct 22, 2006 5:24 pm Post subject: |
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bunny wrote:
I'm not saying every soldier, as in 10/10 is going to die, leaving 0. I am saying that each individual is under the expectation that they could be 1 of many dead, in any number of circumstance associated with thier job; job description.
you just refuted your argument. if every soldier is not expected to die then it is not in their job description. |
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