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[bunny]

Quote: Israel has acknowledged for the first time that it attacked Hezbollah targets during the second Lebanon war with phosphorus shells. White phosphorus causes very painful and often lethal chemical burns to those hit by it, and until recently Israel maintained that it only uses such bombs to mark targets or territory.

The announcement that the Israel Defense Forces had used phosphorus bombs in the war in Lebanon was made by Minister Jacob Edery, in charge of government-Knesset relations. He had been queried on the matter by MK Zahava Gal-On (Meretz-Yahad).

"The IDF holds phosphorus munitions in different forms," Edery said. "The IDF made use of phosphorous shells during the war against Hezbollah in attacks against military targets in open ground."

Quote: During the war several foreign media outlets reported that Lebanese civilians carried injuries characteristic of attacks with phosphorus, a substance that burns when it comes to contact with air. In one CNN report, a casualty with serious burns was seen lying in a South Lebanon hospital.

In another case, Dr. Hussein Hamud al-Shel, who works at Dar al-Amal hospital in Ba'albek, said that he had received three corpses "entirely shriveled with black-green skin," a phenomenon characteristic of phosphorus injuries.

Lebanon's President Emile Lahoud also claimed that the IDF made use of phosphorus munitions against civilians in Lebanon.

Quote: Some experts believe that phosphorus munitions should be termed Chemical Weapons (CW) because of the way the weapons burn and attack the respiratory system. As a CW, phosphorus would become a clearly illegal weapon.

The International Red Cross is of the opinion that there should be a complete ban on phosphorus being used against human beings and the third protocol of the Geneva Convention on Conventional Weapons restricts the use of "incendiary weapons," with phosphorus considered to be one such weapon.

Israel and the United States are not signatories to the Third Protocol.

In November 2004 the U.S. Army used phosphorus munitions during an offensive in Faluja, Iraq. Burned bodies of civilians hit by the phosphorus munitions were shown by the press, and an international outcry against the practice followed.



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[agentkgb]

Well it's not really news but at least they've acknowledged their use of it now.

[The Newb]

white phosphorous is not an illegal chemical weapon :roll:

Quote: Israel also says that the use of "incendiary munitions are not in themselves illegal."

[bunny]

The Newb wrote: white phosphorous is not an illegal chemical weapon :roll:

Quote: Israel also says that the use of "incendiary munitions are not in themselves illegal."


Quote: Some experts believe that phosphorus munitions should be termed Chemical Weapons (CW) because of the way the weapons burn and attack the respiratory system. As a CW, phosphorus would become a clearly illegal weapon.

The International Red Cross is of the opinion that there should be a complete ban on phosphorus being used against human beings and the third protocol of the Geneva Convention on Conventional Weapons restricts the use of "incendiary weapons," with phosphorus considered to be one such weapon.

Israel and the United States are not signatories to the Third Protocol.


Well, since the Geneva Conventions mean NOTHING to teh USA or Israel...
I'm not suprised that both these theocratic states choose to use them, with impunity.

[The Newb]

bunny wrote: The Newb wrote: white phosphorous is not an illegal chemical weapon :roll:

Quote: Israel also says that the use of "incendiary munitions are not in themselves illegal."


Quote: Some experts believe that phosphorus munitions should be termed Chemical Weapons (CW) because of the way the weapons burn and attack the respiratory system. As a CW, phosphorus would become a clearly illegal weapon.

The International Red Cross is of the opinion that there should be a complete ban on phosphorus being used against human beings and the third protocol of the Geneva Convention on Conventional Weapons restricts the use of "incendiary weapons," with phosphorus considered to be one such weapon.

Israel and the United States are not signatories to the Third Protocol.


Well, since the Geneva Conventions mean NOTHING to teh USA or Israel...
I'm not suprised that both these theocratic states choose to use them, with impunity.

it means nothing to our enemies either, since when can you attack ambulances, medical personel, hide in hospitals, mosques, wave a white flag and attack when the opposition lets down their guard, many examples so if they use a weapon that they do recognize as illegal so what

Israel and the United States are not signatories to the Third Protocol.

and that statement says it all

[bunny]

The Newb wrote:

Israel and the United States are not signatories to the Third Protocol.

and that statement says it all

I agree - to both Israel & The USA, the Geneva Conventions mean NOTHING.

[The Newb]

bunny wrote: The Newb wrote:

Israel and the United States are not signatories to the Third Protocol.

and that statement says it all

I agree - to both Israel & The USA, the Geneva Conventions mean NOTHING.

see you are looking at the wrong part of the statement "Third Protocol" means nothing, probaly cause it is frivolous, read it and then see why it was not signed

[Rankor and Pissing]

So I gather "bunny" is the new anti-semite either linked to or directly from Palestine or Lebanon? Yes, using bleach to clean resaurant implements which touched raw meat is also chemical warfare apparently... :roll:

[bunny]

Rankor and Pissing wrote: So I gather "bunny" is the new anti-semite


WTF?


Semite |ˈsemīt| noun a member of any of the peoples who speak or spoke a Semitic language, including in particular the Jews and Arabs


Wow, name calling with no evidence seems like the thing to do around here


you guys are cool!

[The Newb]

bunny wrote: Rankor and Pissing wrote: So I gather "bunny" is the new anti-semite


WTF?


Semite |ˈsemīt| noun a member of any of the peoples who speak or spoke a Semitic language, including in particular the Jews and Arabs


Wow, name calling with no evidence seems to ciche around here


you guys are cool!

posting without reading ..... dayum! he stated "THE NEW ANTI-SEMITE" i beleive he thinks your arab but hates jews in the manner of an anti-semite would

[The Comrade]

oh noes white phospherous!


this is

A)old news
B)not illegal

[superskippy]

It's not a banned weapon, it's not recognized as a chemical weapon, and it is in widespread use in most armies around the world, and a common weapon used in history. It is only in the very, very, very recent years that it has even come under discussion.

[Venom]

Quote: Some experts believe that phosphorus munitions should be termed Chemical Weapons (CW) because of the way the weapons burn and attack the respiratory system. As a CW, phosphorus would become a clearly illegal weapon.
So wait your own article states that phosphorus is not a Chemical Weapon? Interesting.
Some experts believe it should be a chemical weapon, I guess some means that some do not think it should be?

Also didn't they ban you already Fiction?

[agentkgb]

Venom wrote: Quote: Some experts believe that phosphorus munitions should be termed Chemical Weapons (CW) because of the way the weapons burn and attack the respiratory system. As a CW, phosphorus would become a clearly illegal weapon.
So wait your own article states that phosphorus is not a Chemical Weapon? Interesting.
Some experts believe it should be a chemical weapon, I guess some means that some do not think it should be?
Whether or not WP should be classified as a chemical weapon is a topic of some debate, that's not anything new.

[Venom]

Quote: Whether or not WP should be classified as a chemical weapon is a topic of some debate, that's not anything new.
That's fair enough. However because something is being debated doesn't mean Israel shouldn't use it. Otherwise I have a feeling the IDF would have a problem using anything but a rifle as everything is constantly debated.

You do realize that you have in other threads advocated the use of Chemical weapons by the IDF upon the Palestinians right?

[agentkgb]

Venom wrote: You do realize that you have in other threads advocated the use of Chemical weapons by the IDF upon the Palestinians right?
If that was directed at me then no, I was not aware I had done so. What are you talking about?

[Venom]

Quote: If that was directed at me then no, I was not aware I had done so. What are you talking about?
Got you confused with Spartan... wooops.

[Saracen]

Rankor and Pissing wrote: So I gather "bunny" is the new anti-semite either linked to or directly from Palestine or Lebanon? Yes, using bleach to clean resaurant implements which touched raw meat is also chemical warfare apparently... :roll:

Read his post again. Just because he villified Israel doesn't mean he's a Jew-hater.

The Newb wrote: posting without reading ..... dayum! he stated "THE NEW ANTI-SEMITE" i beleive he thinks your arab but hates jews in the manner of an anti-semite would

Most Arabs are actually not anti-Semitic, but use the phrase "Yahudi" to mean "Zionist", not "Jew", which is its literal meaning.

[Venom]

Quote: Read his post again. Just because he villified Israel doesn't mean he's a Jew-hater.
Come on lets be honest here... fiction couldn't say something pro-Israeli without it hurting him.

Most Arabs are not against Jews? I used to believe that and still partially do, however the more I read and the more I see I feel this belief fading away.
Look at all the Arab nations that have attempted to wipe the Jewish State of Israel off the map, the Arab Nazi divisions, the Arab world's anti-Jewish speeches, they're refusal to be in the same coaltion as Isreal in Desert Storm....
the list goes on and on.

[The Newb]

Saracen wrote: The Newb wrote: posting without reading ..... dayum! he stated "THE NEW ANTI-SEMITE" i beleive he thinks your arab but hates jews in the manner of an anti-semite would

Most Arabs are actually not anti-Semitic, but use the phrase "Yahudi" to mean "Zionist", not "Jew", which is its literal meaning.

yes i am aware of that, i myself have have no problem with most muslims or arabs ( its the exteremists that i have a problem with ) i was making a point that arabs and jews virtually share the same history, with a difference to religion, and to hate a jew because he is a jew is to hate your own heritage, unless it is a religious nature, which in other posts bunny has denied