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bunny · Joined: 14 Oct 2006 Posts: 584

The Comrade wrote:
no my friend, it's called leading the stray sheep back to the flock. my job is to take the logic defunct and set them back on course.

Get your 'God Complex' in check, chump.

The Comrade · Joined: 16 Jul 2006 Posts: 11675 Location: Zagreb

bunny wrote:

Get your 'God Complex' in check, chump.

that's divine chump, and don't you forget it.

The Newb · Joined: 06 Oct 2006 Posts: 2665

The Comrade wrote: bunny wrote:

Get your 'God Complex' in check, chump.

that's divine chump, and don't you forget it. :rotf:

lilwolf · Joined: 15 Jun 2006 Posts: 12156 Location: idaho

bunny wrote: The Comrade wrote: bunny wrote:

I don't know anything about what he intended to say, and judging by some of the trash i read around here, from people of a certian ilk, i find the question appropriate.

your question was not appropriate. asking someone if they're championing genocide is merely baiting and using loaded statements AND questions.

Well, when when someone who posts pix of nuclear clouds & constantly champions torture & the death of the USA constitution, goes around saying silly & ridiculous things about whipping out Palestine via the Jewish state, which he may or may not have a tie to, it is a fair and reasonable question to ask.

note: I wasn't asking YOU, but I'm sorry you're so sensitive, and obviously, from my short experience here, easily offended.

I am not championing genocide at all. Isaid what I said as a last resort the use of a nuke is acceptable. live with it.
I also said that there were other ways for what you call torture than removing peices and parts . and I also said that if the situation warranted it i would do what ever is needed to get the information I wanted and needed to save lives....get it straight.
I have no ties to Israel except that they are in the middle of a terrorist camp and surrounded by lunatics and that if they had to they could remove Palestine in nothing flat.

Now just so you understand something here. If push came to shove and Israel is overran by "ANY" force that cannot be stopped in a conventional manner I said that i would want them to utilize the sampson option. I said it then and I say it again .....As a last resort I would fully want them to defend themselves. Note the words "last resort".

Now if all that upsets your tender feelings then learn to live with the ugly...hell, bill clinton had to learn to live with the ugly :lol:

Plato & Socrates · Joined: 24 Dec 2005 Posts: 1745 Location: London

MoscowMatt wrote: bunny wrote: MoscowMatt wrote: Iran 'blocks Israel soldier deal'

The ambassador in New York, Dan Gillerman, made the claim without giving any further evidence or details.

The payment, which Iran denies making, allegedly went to the head of Hamas' political bureau Khaled Meshaal.

sorry, is your vision a little blurry, or do you not read so well?

Quote: On Thursday, the Israeli daily newspaper Yediot Ahronot reported that a deal on Cpl Shalit's release was foiled when an Iranian delegation met Khaled Meshaal in Damascus and offered him $50m (£26.6m). Mr Meshaal apparently accepted the money and hardened the conditions attached to Cpl Shalit's release.

Nope looks fine to me!! I guess your another one of the Iran are saints brigade!! :roll: :roll:

I'm glad you see the funny side Moscowmatt. :lol: That's how I feel when people defend Israel, has always the victim and that she does no wrong. Israel are the past masters of playing P.R diplomatic games as well.
These assertions backed up with no fact, will in some eyes be viewed as guilty as charged.
Look at it from Israels stance. They have killed 100s of Palestinians trying to get this soldier back and failed.

Negotiations have been going badly for Israel. They need to explain back to the Israeli public, why there soldier is'nt back yet. Hey presto! Blame the next in line bogeyman, it's Iran's fault. Blame them in the largest international forum there is. Oh yeah, backed up with nothing, no facts, no s**t & absolutely f**k all. :roll:

Personally I have no interest in this case. For if he lives or dies, nothing will change, will it?
If Iran did get involved, why should the pro-Israeli mob be surprised. Come on guys. Israel is publicly calling for the U.S and the West to sort out Iran. This has been Tel-Aviv's stance way before Admadmanijads view of Israel being wiped off the map. This kind of poking in the eye is to be expected. Don't think Israel does'nt give back as good as she gets.

programmusic · Joined: 22 Apr 2006 Posts: 928

Iran has been calling for Israel to be wiped off the map long before Ahmednejad.

Venom · Joined: 06 Sep 2006 Posts: 807

Quote: Look at it from Israels stance. They have killed 100s of Palestinians trying to get this soldier back and failed.
Kidnapping soldier.... Initial action by the Palestinian Terrorists
Military Offensive... reaction by the IDF Forces....
I see no problem with them trying to get back this child (he is 19 years old and since being a 20 year old Palestinian rates the title child I'd say he does too....)
Quote: Negotiations have been going badly for Israel
Another huge suprise? Negotiations with a terrorist organization are going poorly? Color me silly but I figured if Group A: wanted hundreds of prisoners released, and Group B: doesn't want to do that, they may run into trouble.

Quote: Oh yeah, backed up with nothing, no facts, no s**t & absolutely f**k all. You mean to say that there is no evidence that Iran has a history of attempting to undermine Israel and it's actions?

Quote: Personally I have no interest in this case. For if he lives or dies, nothing will change, will it?
How they handle this case will have a direct affect on how Hamas and Hezbollah will handle their operations. If they find that Israel will not give them what they want for kidnapping and they will be hunted down as a result... that will be a deterent to this action.

Quote: If Iran did get involved, why should the pro-Israeli mob be surprised. I don't think any pro-Israeli poster here is truly suprised
Quote: Hardly surprising really. I wonder what else they are up to?

Quote: This has been Tel-Aviv's stance way before Admadmanijads view of Israel being wiped off the map. This kind of poking in the eye is to be expected. Don't think Israel does'nt give back as good as she gets.
And guess what, it's been Iran's stance long before Admadmanijad came to office.
Israel do pretty well in retailation, however they suffer from a handicap due to their enemies being allowed to play a deadly game without following any "rules' and meanwhile expecting the IDF to follow every rule and never do any harm to a civilian...
So why Israel does give it back pretty well, when they do try to give it back you seem to have a big problem with that.

Plato & Socrates · Joined: 24 Dec 2005 Posts: 1745 Location: London

Venom wrote: Quote: Look at it from Israels stance. They have killed 100s of Palestinians trying to get this soldier back and failed.
Kidnapping soldier.... Initial action by the Palestinian Terrorists
Military Offensive... [b]reaction by the IDF Forces....
I see no problem with them trying to get back this child (he is 19 years old and since being a 20 year old Palestinian rates the title child I'd say he does too....)[/b] Quote: Negotiations have been going badly for Israel
Another huge suprise? Negotiations with a terrorist organization are going poorly? Color me silly but I figured if Group A: wanted hundreds of prisoners released, and Group B: doesn't want to do that, they may run into trouble.

Quote: Oh yeah, backed up with nothing, no facts, no s**t & absolutely f**k all. You mean to say that there is no evidence that Iran has a history of attempting to undermine Israel and it's actions?

Quote: Personally I have no interest in this case. For if he lives or dies, nothing will change, will it?
How they handle this case will have a direct affect on how Hamas and Hezbollah will handle their operations. If they find that Israel will not give them what they want for kidnapping and they will be hunted down as a result... that will be a deterent to this action.

Quote: If Iran did get involved, why should the pro-Israeli mob be surprised. I don't think any pro-Israeli poster here is truly suprised
Quote: Hardly surprising really. I wonder what else they are up to?

Quote: This has been Tel-Aviv's stance way before Admadmanijads view of Israel being wiped off the map. This kind of poking in the eye is to be expected. Don't think Israel does'nt give back as good as she gets.
And guess what, it's been Iran's stance long before Admadmanijad came to office.
Israel do pretty well in retailation, however they suffer from a handicap due to their enemies being allowed to play a deadly game without following any "rules' and meanwhile expecting the IDF to follow every rule and never do any harm to a civilian...
So why Israel does give it back pretty well, when they do try to give it back you seem to have a big problem with that.

"TYPICAL ONE-SIDED, BLINKERED, ROSE TINTED VIEW OF THINGS" :roll:
I can give you many example of influential Jews within Israel, who have called for the destruction of Israels Arabs enemies. Is that true or not? The problem this time is that it comes from Admadmanijad, who is in a real position of power. This is what makes me laugh and give up hardly replying to people like you because its such a waste.
"Kidnapping soldier.... Initial action by the Palestinian Terrorists
Military Offensive... reaction by the IDF Forces....
I see no problem with them trying to get back this child (he is 19 years old and since being a 20 year old Palestinian rates the title child I'd say he does too....)"

Oh pleaase. :roll: What a distorted chronological interpretation of events. The IDF does continuous snatches and kidnappings of Palestinians they deem necessary to be detained. These operations are ongoing and wide sweeping. Amnesty and Human rights watch condemns almost every aspect of this Israeli tactic. There is little course for redress. People are held for an inordinate amounts of time. Many without charge in Israeli dungeons.
So Hamas decides to kidnap one of Israel soldiers and you deem that this offence, is worthy of retaliation, because Israel has'nt conducted reciprocal operations?

Please do yourself a favour and shut up. It is these blatant absurdities in your biased onesided slant, that depresses me so much. Open your eyes. :shock: The pot cannot call the kettle black. People who live in glass houses cannot throw stones. The state of Israel conducts kidnappings of Palestinians when they see fit. The Palestinians do the same and you call it the initial aggressive act. Why do I bother? :roll: This typical blinkered view of yours is so tiresome. Oh I forgot, Israel does no wrong. :sigh1:

Saracen · Joined: 01 Dec 2005 Posts: 15682 Location: On Earth

agentkgb wrote: BBC wrote: The ambassador in New York, Dan Gillerman, made the claim without giving any further evidence or details.

This is the problem with Israeli politicians: they'll say many things without proof, and when they discover their "mistakes", they work up and down to cover-up their "miscalculations". We're supposed to take their word because they're "experts" whereas in fact they're just a bunch of crooks and liars.

MoscowMatt · Joined: 16 Sep 2005 Posts: 1464 Location: UK / Hungary

Saracen wrote: agentkgb wrote: BBC wrote: The ambassador in New York, Dan Gillerman, made the claim without giving any further evidence or details.

This is the problem with Israeli politicians: they'll say many things without proof, and when they discover their "mistakes", they work up and down to cover-up their "miscalculations". We're supposed to take their word because they're "experts" whereas in fact they're just a bunch of crooks and liars.

Show me some politicians who aren't a bunch of crooks and liars!!! :lol: It's just a case of who's selling us the biggest lie!!

ALi* · Joined: 20 Sep 2006 Posts: 427 Location: Beirut

sayyid nassrallah never lied... but again hes not a politician sorry

Venom · Joined: 06 Sep 2006 Posts: 807

Quote: "TYPICAL ONE-SIDED, BLINKERED, ROSE TINTED VIEW OF THINGS"

:lol: Deep breathes you don't want to make a huge hole in the ozone do you?

Quote: I can give you many example of influential Jews within Israel, who have called for the destruction of Israels Arabs enemies. Is that true or not?
Make your list, one only needs to watch TV, read a ME paper, watch a Muslim protest to see them calling for the destruction of the Jews... (oh take note that there is nothing wrong or even radical for calling for the destruction of Israel's Arab enemies as you've stated. In fact that is called attempting to kill terrorists like Hamas and Hezbollah.)

Quote: What a distorted chronological interpretation of events.
So you mean Palestinian terorists did not kidnap a IDF soldier and thus as a result provocted a IDF offensive? I see nothing distorted there at all.

Quote: These operations are ongoing and wide sweeping. Amnesty and Human rights watch condemns almost every aspect of this Israeli tactic
Ok they condemn the action of the IDF doing snatch and grabs at night.... God forbid they try to capture any terrorists without killing them. :lol:

Quote: People are held for an inordinate amounts of time. Many without charge in Israeli dungeons.

Possibly due to intelligence reasons or their connections to terrorism? I guess having hope of being let loose one day is better than getting your head chopped off.

Quote: So Hamas decides to kidnap one of Israel soldiers and you deem that this offence, is worthy of retaliation, because Israel has'nt conducted reciprocal operations?
The IDF Is a direct creation of the Arab world's disgust and attempts to destroy Israel. Isreal has always responded with military action upon an attack has it not? These snatch and grabs are a direct result of the attacks, tunneling, kidnapping, etc done against Israel. Nevermind that fact that... or that even when the IDF pulls back the Palestinians attack. :LOL:
Lets just blame the big bad IDF, that's easier than looking at history and the facts of reality.

Quote: Please do yourself a favour and shut up. It is these blatant absurdities in your biased onesided slant, that depresses me so much.
God forbid that the other side of the argument says anything right? As for the blatant absurdities they appear to be a matter of opinion on the matter since there are quite a few that agree with me. If the IDF being allowed depresses you so much then why not join an orginization that attempts to put together a peace deal between Israel and Hamas? Oh wait I remember, was it not Hamas that attacked in an effort to ruin those very same talks? Why yes it was.

Quote: Open your eyes
They are open and it really makes me wonder why people choose to allow terrorist aggression and dismiss it as a simple reaction to the the faults of the West.

Quote: he pot cannot call the kettle black. People who live in glass houses cannot throw stones
Sure the pot can and as for a glass house just wait till the owners go to a peace talk an then chuck em!!! :lol:

Quote: The state of Israel conducts kidnappings of Palestinians when they see fit
When they believe a certain person is or has a connection to terrorism then yes they do. That's the same with the UK in their conflicts, the United States, Australia, France, Spain, etc...

Quote: The Palestinians do the same and you call it the initial aggressive act.
Yes I do. It's not a hard concept, the IDF's snatch and grabs are a direct result of Palestinian terorrism. A direct result of such actions as the kidnapping of the IDF soldier. Now if the Palestinians were so worried and upset about being "oppressed" by Israel they could actually take part in peace deals, however they cannot seem to keep their fingers off the trigger long enough. So the IDF has tried peace talks, withdraw from certain parts of occupied land and with no result in stopping the violence.
In fact they are talking about redeploying to a part of previously occupied land due to the Palestinians digging tunnels as part of a terror network.... hrmm still not understand why the military is used as a buffer to these attacks?

Quote: This typical blinkered view of yours is so tiresome
Here ya go I don't have a rose tinted view as if I did it would require glasses ::):

Quote: Oh I forgot, Israel does no wrong
They do make mistakes, as does anyone or any country in this world. I've never claimed for them to be above making a mistake however I side with the IDF over terrorism any day of the week.

Tetracide · Joined: 02 Oct 2004 Posts: 4449 Location: California

Both sides need to keep their posts respectful or warnings will be issued and this thread will be locked.