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[ubikk]

An organization training snipers to pick-off US servicepersons in Iraq has released videos of their actions. The videos show the sniper surveiling the Americans, and then shooting them, and then driving off in their cars and getting away.



LINK TO VIDEOS at CNN

I have to guess that this is a carefully timed election stunt by the terrorists. The terrorists are playing dirty politics just like all the commercials I'm seeing on a regular basis now.

The vidoes are already having an effect, however.

[lilwolf]

Tha is why we need more mercenaries to hunt them down and kill the bad guys and quit being nice to these animals

[Mikate8]

Mercenaries do sound cool too, because I was watching the History Channel and it was about Executive Outcomes. A South African based mercenary group that helped the Sierra Leone government fight rebels. Yep, 100 mercenaries did a better job at stopping genocide than 17,000 UN troops. I also saw a video of the Blackwater training facility, really big.
If only we could find all those crazy muslims and beat em up and post those videos on the internet and everybody will laugh at them

[Snake]

A good old fashion carpet bombing couldn't hurt the situation. Just remind these militants who's the boss now, and who will remain the boss until notified otherwise.

[[Bible]Monkey]

ubikk wrote: An organization training snipers to pick-off US servicepersons in Iraq has released videos of their actions. The videos show the sniper surveiling the Americans, and then shooting them, and then driving off in their cars and getting away.



LINK TO VIDEOS at CNN

I have to guess that this is a carefully timed election stunt by the terrorists. The terrorists are playing dirty politics just like all the commercials I'm seeing on a regular basis now.

The vidoes are already having an effect, however.

CNN website wrote: You should know we dipped to black at the moment of actual impact of the rounds. A number of us felt airing that precise moment was simply too horrific

If you're going to show a war, show a war. I understand the emotional impact, but it is as much a mistake to editorialize the news in one direction as another. Who are they protecting-our feelings? Don't show news stories of anything bad happening then. Life is hard-report it all if you're going to report it. Disguising the horror of war serves no end but to render a false and sanitized impression of it's monstrosity.

American Teleivision news should be showing bodies blowing up and combat as much as they show any other news event. It's happening, why are they censoring the news?

[Snake]

[Bible]Monkey wrote: American Teleivision news should be showing bodies blowing up and combat as much as they show any other news event. It's happening, why are they censoring the news? We already get enough of that from the TV :wink:

[johnflesh]

Looks like the insurgent/terrorist/civilians/mercenaries are doing the same thing they have been doing since this war began:

Hiding, waiting, cowardly attacking, and filming it for all the world to see.

This is one of many videos about the snipers.

The worst thing to hear in Iraq is one single solitary gun shot, because if you hear that and that alone, a Coalition Soldier has been hit, guaranteed.

[ANZ2]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUScgipDYF0

[Kane]

[Bible]Monkey wrote: ubikk wrote: An organization training snipers to pick-off US servicepersons in Iraq has released videos of their actions. The videos show the sniper surveiling the Americans, and then shooting them, and then driving off in their cars and getting away.



LINK TO VIDEOS at CNN

I have to guess that this is a carefully timed election stunt by the terrorists. The terrorists are playing dirty politics just like all the commercials I'm seeing on a regular basis now.

The vidoes are already having an effect, however.

CNN website wrote: You should know we dipped to black at the moment of actual impact of the rounds. A number of us felt airing that precise moment was simply too horrific

If you're going to show a war, show a war. I understand the emotional impact, but it is as much a mistake to editorialize the news in one direction as another. Who are they protecting-our feelings? Don't show news stories of anything bad happening then. Life is hard-report it all if you're going to report it. Disguising the horror of war serves no end but to render a false and sanitized impression of it's monstrosity.

American Teleivision news should be showing bodies blowing up and combat as much as they show any other news event. It's happening, why are they censoring the news?

American news is a joke anyways...

But I understand your point.

[thundertaker]

johnflesh wrote: Looks like the insurgent/terrorist/civilians/mercenaries are doing the same thing they have been doing since this war began:

Hiding, waiting, cowardly attacking, and filming it for all the world to see.

This is one of many videos about the snipers.

The worst thing to hear in Iraq is one single solitary gun shot, because if you hear that and that alone, a Coalition Soldier has been hit, guaranteed.

You do realise the coalition have their own snipers using pretty much the same tactics don't you?

Insurgents who target soldiers are infinately more respectable than the low-lifes who blow up civilians. They are fighting the way honourable soldiers are supposed to......

[Spider]

thundertaker wrote: johnflesh wrote: Looks like the insurgent/terrorist/civilians/mercenaries are doing the same thing they have been doing since this war began:

Hiding, waiting, cowardly attacking, and filming it for all the world to see.

This is one of many videos about the snipers.

The worst thing to hear in Iraq is one single solitary gun shot, because if you hear that and that alone, a Coalition Soldier has been hit, guaranteed.

You do realise the coalition have their own snipers using pretty much the same tactics don't you?

Insurgents who target soldiers are infinately more respectable than the low-lifes who blow up civilians. They are fighting the way honourable soldiers are supposed to......

Agreed. Though I can't say I appreciate or support people picking off coalition troops, I am more inclined to accept this kind of thing as legitimate warfare. Driving a car full of explosives into a police station or restaurant is cowardly and sickening.

[Wizard From Oz]

Quote: Hiding, waiting, cowardly attacking, and filming it for all the world to see.


So the US doesn't have snipers then?

[The Newb]

Kane wrote: [Bible]Monkey wrote: ubikk wrote: An organization training snipers to pick-off US servicepersons in Iraq has released videos of their actions. The videos show the sniper surveiling the Americans, and then shooting them, and then driving off in their cars and getting away.



LINK TO VIDEOS at CNN

I have to guess that this is a carefully timed election stunt by the terrorists. The terrorists are playing dirty politics just like all the commercials I'm seeing on a regular basis now.

The vidoes are already having an effect, however.

CNN website wrote: You should know we dipped to black at the moment of actual impact of the rounds. A number of us felt airing that precise moment was simply too horrific

If you're going to show a war, show a war. I understand the emotional impact, but it is as much a mistake to editorialize the news in one direction as another. Who are they protecting-our feelings? Don't show news stories of anything bad happening then. Life is hard-report it all if you're going to report it. Disguising the horror of war serves no end but to render a false and sanitized impression of it's monstrosity.

American Teleivision news should be showing bodies blowing up and combat as much as they show any other news event. It's happening, why are they censoring the news?

American news is a joke anyways...

But I understand your point.

these video clips are over a year old

the one who fell and got back up was hit in his armor plate ( it survived and so did he ) he was a medic and all he had was severe bruising the "sniper" was maybe 100-150 yards away in a truck with an ak

the soldeirs got in to their humvee and chased them down

[[Bible]Monkey]

The Newb wrote: the one who fell and got back up was hit in his armor plate ( it survived and so did he ) he was a medic and all he had was severe bruising the "sniper" was maybe 100-150 yards away in a truck with an ak

the soldeirs got in to their humvee and chased them down

Thanks for the info. Good to hear on both counts-the soldier back on his feet; and the asshat chased down.

[Snake]

thundertaker wrote: Insurgents who target soldiers are infinately more respectable than the low-lifes who blow up civilians. They are fighting the way honourable soldiers are supposed to...... Taking shots at soldiers, then hiding behind civilians in hospitals, mosques, and apartments full of innocent people?

[thundertaker]

Kamel wrote: thundertaker wrote: Insurgents who target soldiers are infinately more respectable than the low-lifes who blow up civilians. They are fighting the way honourable soldiers are supposed to...... Taking shots at soldiers, then hiding behind civilians in hospitals, mosques, and apartments full of innocent people?

I'd like to know how many allied soldiers would do the same when facing an enemy with similar overwhelming firepower and support, combined with a reluctance to open fire on civilians. I already have a pretty good idea that most of them would. Most human beings would....
I also notice that the same people who are willing to condemn all Iraqi Insurgents as 'cowards' are the same ones who argue for 'taking the gloves off' meaning 'terminate any civilians that get in the way with extreme prejudice'.

Seriously, you can accuse Iraqi insurgents of being a lot of things (Islamofascists etc). But cowardice isn't one of them. It takes guts to take up arms against the most powerful, well-trained soldiers in the world. They probably know their average life expectency is many, many times less than that of their opponents. Whatever happened to having respect for one's enemies?

[ubikk]

MG1962 wrote: Quote: Hiding, waiting, cowardly attacking, and filming it for all the world to see.


So the US doesn't have snipers then?

Of course they do -- but do they send videos of their snipers to al jazerra?

[ubikk]

Spider wrote: Agreed. Though I can't say I appreciate or support people picking off coalition troops, I am more inclined to accept this kind of thing as legitimate warfare. Driving a car full of explosives into a police station or restaurant is cowardly and sickening.

Actually, the videos might be doing more damage than the car bombs at this point.


Quote: These videos are over a year old

Not according to the marines that CNN interviewed about some of the shootings. But even if they are, they're still new to US TV viewers.

[TNBiologist]

thundertaker wrote: Kamel wrote: thundertaker wrote: Insurgents who target soldiers are infinately more respectable than the low-lifes who blow up civilians. They are fighting the way honourable soldiers are supposed to...... Taking shots at soldiers, then hiding behind civilians in hospitals, mosques, and apartments full of innocent people?

I'd like to know how many allied soldiers would do the same when facing an enemy with similar overwhelming firepower and support, combined with a reluctance to open fire on civilians. I already have a pretty good idea that most of them would. Most human beings would....
I also notice that the same people who are willing to condemn all Iraqi Insurgents as 'cowards' are the same ones who argue for 'taking the gloves off' meaning 'terminate any civilians that get in the way with extreme prejudice'.

Seriously, you can accuse Iraqi insurgents of being a lot of things (Islamofascists etc). But cowardice isn't one of them. It takes guts to take up arms against the most powerful, well-trained soldiers in the world. They probably know their average life expectency is many, many times less than that of their opponents. Whatever happened to having respect for one's enemies?

How does killing mulitple civilians jsut to kill one or two soldiers deserve respect? The snipers, as much as it pains me to say it, are at least targeting soldiers and not every civilian in blast radius. Most of the colalition deaths and civilian deaths come from IED or suicide bombs which kill indiscrimently. That is not respectable in either a humanitary or tactical view.

[Snake]

thundertaker wrote: Whatever happened to having respect for one's enemies? Why should I respect people who think it's a good idea to blow themselves up in heavily crowded areas? They kill innocent civilians too. Would you like some pictures?