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johnflesh · Joined: 16 Jul 2006 Posts: 503 Location: Texas

No.

I would never kill anyone ever. I'd let you all do the dirty work for me.

As you were.

cap'n queasy · Joined: 15 May 2004 Posts: 34968

Korimyr the Rat wrote: cap'n queasy wrote: The world is simply the way it is. Getting mad and shaking your fist at God isn't going to do anything about it but make our short stay here even worse.

On the other hand, getting mad and going outside and doing something about it is the process by which every single step of human social progress has been made.

Maybe God just ain't helping you because he's waiting for you to show some initiative.

I wouldn't say that God isn't helping me. He helps me quite a lot.

The funny thing about human progress, the more we advance, the larger number of people we kill with it. Do you realize how many people were murdered in the last century by folks " getting mad and going out and doing something about it"? And to what end? Nothing has changed. Humanity is still the same as it has always been.

If you would bother to look at the Psalm I referenced, you would see what God's reaction to the world that's tearing off His fetters and casting His cords away. He laughs at them. He scoffs at that idea. When I first read that Psalm I found it hard to imagine that the world would actually declare war on God.

But now I can totally see it happening. What a hopeless venture.

It's sad.

Snarf · Joined: 10 Jan 2005 Posts: 5459

cap'n queasy wrote: When I first read that Psalm I found it hard to imagine that the world would actually declare war on God.

But now I can totally see it happening. What a hopeless venture.

It's sad.
He might be rather pleased. Everyone likes a good fight and that requires an enemy. Consider this Free Will versus Slavery. That's Pay Per View worthy and there's nothing sad about it because if He found it upsetting, He would never have allowed the option in the first place.

Stop imposing your own value judgments on what potentially has no values. Once the Creator has let the Created go on their own happy way, all that can be done is to watch the show, whether divine or a bloodthirsty slaughter, or in our case, something in between...

cap'n queasy · Joined: 15 May 2004 Posts: 34968

Quote: Consider this Free Will versus Slavery.

Where have I heard that before? :lol:

You know there has been a lot of times in history that slaves were released and decided to stay right where they were, because it was worse to leave the family they had come to love.

In ancient Israel they even had a little ceremony for it. The slave would have his ear lobe nailed to his master's doorpost to commemorate his decision to become a part of the the family. And thus he consecrated himself to life long service to his master.

Now, I imagine this is probably the highest honor a good Master can be paid. It seems to me that I am not the one making value judgments here.

slitedeviance · Joined: 02 Sep 2006 Posts: 1599 Location: London

If I were God, an actual all powerful "I can do / go / be whatever I want" why would I bother killing people. Why would I bother with people at all home.

I'd probably just spend infinity exploring macro-universes or creating new types of particles and elements. There's got to be alot more fascinating things you can do than deal with the human race.

Although as I would be all powerful and all knowing would anything be fascinating?

Protostar · Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2006 11:30 am Post subject:

cap'n queasy wrote: Quote: Consider this Free Will versus Slavery.

Where have I heard that before? :lol:

You know there has been a lot of times in history that slaves were released and decided to stay right where they were, because it was worse to leave the family they had come to love.

In ancient Israel they even had a little ceremony for it. The slave would have his ear lobe nailed to his master's doorpost to commemorate his decision to become a part of the the family. And thus he consecrated himself to life long service to his master.

Now, I imagine this is probably the highest honor a good Master can be paid. It seems to me that I am not the one making value judgments here.

Are you serious? I can't imagine a slave wanting to stay with a master after being freed. Maybe its just because I'm looking at it from the perspective of the African slaves here in America and how they were treated.

As for the topic of this thread, I wouldn't do it myself. I would delegate said jobs to my subordinates (think the Ringwraiths of LOTR. Man, those things were so badass!! "Give us the halfling, She-Elf!!!")

Korimyr the Rat · Joined: 11 Jan 2006 Posts: 983 Location: Wyoming

cap'n queasy wrote: Do you realize how many people were murdered in the last century by folks " getting mad and going out and doing something about it"?

Yep. Of course, a whole lot of that could have been prevented by other folks-- whose definition of "better" involves less murder-- had gotten mad and done something about it... instead of getting mad and begging someone else to.

And I still ain't entirely convinced that a little bloodletting is a bad thing. We're primates, and primates gotta fight to prove who's boss.

cap'n queasy wrote: And to what end? Nothing has changed. Humanity is still the same as it has always been.

Nothing's changed? Humanity may still be the same animals at their core, but their environment has kept getting better and better-- allowing us to live up to standards far higher than any in history.

We may still be fighting over the definition of "human rights", but five hundred years ago, noone had ever heard of the concept. We may have an ungodly rate of abortion, but even including that, a higher proportion of children survive to adulthood than ever before.

Maybe every single battle ain't worth the costs... but the fight, as a whole, has been. It's the only thing that means anything.

cap'n queasy wrote: When I first read that Psalm I found it hard to imagine that the world would actually declare war on God. ... But now I can totally see it happening. What a hopeless venture.

Never did understand the point of that, myself. Seems like a whole lot of people blame their problems on God, when most of their problems are self-inflicted and the majority of the rest were caused by other people.

I don't have much use for your religion, but it ain't like it's hurting anything.

dtwizzy2k5 · Joined: 03 Apr 2006 Posts: 467

feederband wrote: Hmmm. Why would he make a planet that half of it we are unable to survive on?

Im not sure what you mean by that...

Quote: Pain and suffering builds our souls? HA!!! Tell that to all the people that are suffering right now and praying to Mr. Worthless to make the pain go away..

Pain and suffering does build our souls and you would be foolish to think otherwise. What, you think a spoiled brat raised in a mansion to a rich family in beverly hills is going to end up being a better person with a better understanding of life than someone who has been through real s**t and had to learn to appreciate what they have? You are looking at life from the wrong perspective and childishly wish the world to magically be some perfect place. Open your eyes and realize that the life you envision with no pain and suffering is no true life at all.

feederband · Joined: 26 Jan 2006 Posts: 4156 Location: Florida

[quote="dtwizzy2k5"] feederband wrote: Hmmm. Why would he make a planet that half of it we are unable to survive on?

Im not sure what you mean by that...

[quote]

Instead of blaming us on feeding the world...Why not make the whole world fertile ground...Why have deserts where you can't grow food?

dtwizzy2k5 · Joined: 03 Apr 2006 Posts: 467

feederband wrote: dtwizzy2k5 wrote: feederband wrote: Hmmm. Why would he make a planet that half of it we are unable to survive on?

Im not sure what you mean by that...

Instead of blaming us on feeding the world...Why not make the whole world fertile ground...Why have deserts where you can't grow food?

Again you are alluding to your "perfect no pain no suffering world" which you think would be so great. See my previous post on soul building.

feederband · Joined: 26 Jan 2006 Posts: 4156 Location: Florida

dtwizzy2k5 wrote: feederband wrote: dtwizzy2k5 wrote: feederband wrote: Hmmm. Why would he make a planet that half of it we are unable to survive on?

Im not sure what you mean by that...

Instead of blaming us on feeding the world...Why not make the whole world fertile ground...Why have deserts where you can't grow food?

Again you are alluding to your "perfect no pain no suffering world" which you think would be so great. See my previous post on soul building.

The only thing pain and suffering has built for me is a ton of medications ,many surgery's, 2 near death experiences...

Hmmmm...How exactly did that build my soul?

I think I will go jump in front of a car now...Apparantly I havn't suffered enough... :roll:

dtwizzy2k5 · Joined: 03 Apr 2006 Posts: 467

feederband wrote: dtwizzy2k5 wrote: feederband wrote: dtwizzy2k5 wrote: feederband wrote: Hmmm. Why would he make a planet that half of it we are unable to survive on?

Im not sure what you mean by that...

Instead of blaming us on feeding the world...Why not make the whole world fertile ground...Why have deserts where you can't grow food?

Again you are alluding to your "perfect no pain no suffering world" which you think would be so great. See my previous post on soul building.

The only thing pain and suffering has built for me is a ton of medications ,many surgery's, 2 near death experiences...

Hmmmm...How exactly did that build my soul?

I think I will go jump in front of a car now...Apparantly I havn't suffered enough... :roll:

First of all, you do not know what your future holds for you, so it would be impossible for you to judge your life on the whole. Second of all, your entire approach to life is all too negative, so it is not surprising that you have difficulty building your soul at all because you dont know how to learn from suffering and build on it to become a stronger person. And third of all, i dont know what your health condition is or whatever but maybe God is punishing you. Ever thought of that?

feederband · Joined: 26 Jan 2006 Posts: 4156 Location: Florida

dtwizzy2k5 wrote: [ i dont know what your health condition is or whatever but maybe God is punishing you. Ever thought of that?

Ha!!!!!!!!!!! He lets me live......While a young child will die.......I am the most positive person on the planet...Thats the only reason I am alive....

The only negative people I know are my suicidal anti-depressing pill popping Christan buddies...

Atlas Bergeron · Joined: 27 Aug 2006 Posts: 2680 Location: Reality

dtwizzy2k5 wrote: Pain and suffering does build our souls and you would be foolish to think otherwise so people's souls are being torn down in heaven and built in hell.

eynon · Posted: Sun Oct 22, 2006 8:52 pm Post subject:

johnflesh wrote: No.

I would never kill anyone ever. I'd let you all do the dirty work for me.

As you were.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

would I smite people? doubt it, but I certainly let people smite each other............

Atlas Bergeron · Joined: 27 Aug 2006 Posts: 2680 Location: Reality

Protostar wrote: cap'n queasy wrote: Quote: Consider this Free Will versus Slavery.

Where have I heard that before? :lol:

You know there has been a lot of times in history that slaves were released and decided to stay right where they were, because it was worse to leave the family they had come to love.

In ancient Israel they even had a little ceremony for it. The slave would have his ear lobe nailed to his master's doorpost to commemorate his decision to become a part of the the family. And thus he consecrated himself to life long service to his master.

Now, I imagine this is probably the highest honor a good Master can be paid. It seems to me that I am not the one making value judgments here.

Are you serious? I can't imagine a slave wanting to stay with a master after being freed. Maybe its just because I'm looking at it from the perspective of the African slaves here in America and how they were treated.

As for the topic of this thread, I wouldn't do it myself. I would delegate said jobs to my subordinates (think the Ringwraiths of LOTR. Man, those things were so badass!! "Give us the halfling, She-Elf!!!") um... that would be the equivalent of doing it yourself.

Atlas Bergeron · Joined: 27 Aug 2006 Posts: 2680 Location: Reality

wannabe wrote: johnflesh wrote: No.

I would never kill anyone ever. I'd let you all do the dirty work for me.

As you were.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

would I smite people? doubt it, but I certainly let people smite each other............ that is the question. Would you let people die.

If you were God, it is you who decides life and death.

TheGirlNextDoor · Joined: 08 Jul 2004 Posts: 22608

Atlas Bergeron wrote: No maybe's. No objections. Yes or no.

If I were God, would I kill people?

No.

eynon · Posted: Sun Oct 22, 2006 10:47 pm Post subject:

Atlas Bergeron wrote: wannabe wrote: johnflesh wrote: No.

I would never kill anyone ever. I'd let you all do the dirty work for me.

As you were.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

would I smite people? doubt it, but I certainly let people smite each other............ that is the question. Would you let people die.

If you were God, it is you who decides life and death.

hard for a soul to mature without death.........

TheGirlNextDoor · Joined: 08 Jul 2004 Posts: 22608

Atlas Bergeron wrote: wannabe wrote: johnflesh wrote: No.

I would never kill anyone ever. I'd let you all do the dirty work for me.

As you were.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

would I smite people? doubt it, but I certainly let people smite each other............ that is the question. Would you let people die.

If you were God, it is you who decides life and death.

Well see now, you're changing the criteria of your over simplified yes or no question.

Now you're saying "decides life and death", which is quite different than "would you kill people".

:?

Which is it?