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mr.snruB · Joined: 21 Oct 2006 Posts: 7136 Location: Ontario, Canada

Gus wrote: mr.snruB wrote: Our minds are just allusions created by our brain as it functions and takes in our senses.
An illusion to whom?

ourselves

Gus · Joined: 17 Jun 2005 Posts: 7254 Location: Tampa, FL

mr.snruB wrote: Gus wrote: mr.snruB wrote: Our minds are just allusions created by our brain as it functions and takes in our senses.
An illusion to whom?

ourselves
If I'm just an illusion, then "I" (ego) don't exist, no? How can we be an illusion to something that doesn't exist?

Snarf · Joined: 10 Jan 2005 Posts: 5260

British boy wrote: Snarf wrote: British boy wrote: What truly scares me is the idea that once I die it is the end. I no longer exist. If that aint a scary thought I dunno what is.
An even more frightening thought is that you live forever exactly as you are with no way out. Death is scary because it is the unknown and we can imagine it. The other option is that you live forever and that would make live not worth living as no matter what you did you’d still be here with an eternity to try everything again and again.

Life matters because it is short. Make it sweet but do work on accepting the necessity of death for to have it the other way would truly be a living hell...

I accept death is necessary and that makes alot of sense. But how can you imagine the unknown?
That's what the imagination does best. Ride a beam of light, go camping on Mars, have a beer with God...

Free Thinkr · Posted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 3:16 pm Post subject: Re: After death?

OBU10 wrote: What do you believe happens to us after we die?

I believe that the soul will either go to heaven or hell.
We cease to exist.

British boy · Joined: 12 Aug 2006 Posts: 325 Location: London

Snarf wrote: British boy wrote: Snarf wrote: British boy wrote: What truly scares me is the idea that once I die it is the end. I no longer exist. If that aint a scary thought I dunno what is.
An even more frightening thought is that you live forever exactly as you are with no way out. Death is scary because it is the unknown and we can imagine it. The other option is that you live forever and that would make live not worth living as no matter what you did you’d still be here with an eternity to try everything again and again.

Life matters because it is short. Make it sweet but do work on accepting the necessity of death for to have it the other way would truly be a living hell...

I accept death is necessary and that makes alot of sense. But how can you imagine the unknown?

That's what the imagination does best. Ride a beam of light, go camping on Mars, have a beer with God...
true, didn't think of that...

Gus · Joined: 17 Jun 2005 Posts: 7254 Location: Tampa, FL

British boy wrote: Snarf wrote: British boy wrote: Snarf wrote: British boy wrote: What truly scares me is the idea that once I die it is the end. I no longer exist. If that aint a scary thought I dunno what is.
An even more frightening thought is that you live forever exactly as you are with no way out. Death is scary because it is the unknown and we can imagine it. The other option is that you live forever and that would make live not worth living as no matter what you did you’d still be here with an eternity to try everything again and again.

Life matters because it is short. Make it sweet but do work on accepting the necessity of death for to have it the other way would truly be a living hell...

I accept death is necessary and that makes alot of sense. But how can you imagine the unknown?

That's what the imagination does best. Ride a beam of light, go camping on Mars, have a beer with God...
true, didn't think of that...
Well I disagree with Snarf. The imagination must imagine something...death as the ultimate end is nothing, so we can't imagine that...

johnflesh · Joined: 16 Jul 2006 Posts: 503 Location: Texas

tman_ndsu08 wrote: johnflesh wrote: The very instant you die you will hear a loud boom of sorts, seemingly off in the distance. You will feel it more than hear it. You will be above your body, standing, floating, whatever you wish to call it and everything will seem 'normal' around for a short period of time. Pain will seem to slip away from you slowly. You will feel weightlessness take over and cold begin to surround you.

Blackness will appear from the blackest points in the area that you can visualize. The black will become more and more until there is nothing around you but a void of space. No floor, no walls, not even time exists in this void. From the distance you will see what looks like people and in fact that is just what they are, people who have died as well. They will come to you but will not touch you. They will scare you but will not harm you. If you speak the name of a God or that of anything considered holy, religious, or about God in general, these people will run from you back into the void.

If you are religious in anyway shape or form you will, at a length of 'time' see a pinhole of light in the void. This light is God. If you are not religious, or simply athiest, you can still see the light if you can so much as fathom a higher power. This light will grow to consume the void and you will then begin seeing familiar faces of those who you knew in life. They will look their best. If they died at the age of 78, they will look 30 years old. If they died at the age of 12, the will look 12. They along with another 'spirit' will greet you with the intentions of calming you with the realization of your passing at hand. As you calm you will be greeted by this other spirit who we will call Jesus, for the sake of arguement.

Jesus will hold you without touching you, he will look at you without eyes, and he will love you even if you lived your life hating and discounting his image and meaning. You will then review your life as it was, from beginning to end. All of your worst failures, mistakes, and 'sins' will be reviewed by your heart and that of Jesus. As well all of your kindness, love and care will speak volumes about you. This review isn't for Jesus, it is for you. You will judge yourself. With Jesus by your side it will be impossible for you not to understand the point of judging one's self.

After the review you will be given a choice depending on how you died. If you body remains intact, capable of sustaining life, you will be given the choice to go back. Most after discovering the truth about 'life' after death choose not to go back to the world of pain and misery. Your other choice is to stay in Heaven to grow as a source of energy of love, or you can go back and use another life to help merge heaven and earth once and for all.

________________________________________

While this may seem like a fictional story of what it is like to die it is in fact what happens to you when you do die. There is a lot of opinions on what happens when you die, or what happens to your soul or spirit, but there is only one fact.

So no hell then?

Darnit. How are we going to scare people into not doing "bad" things?

I have no memory of hell no. Perhaps hell is a place you end up, then you die? I don't know so I can't comment.

zentrait · Joined: 10 Mar 2005 Posts: 532

Gus wrote: ...death as the ultimate end is nothing, so we can't imagine that...

eh... there are more mysteries in this universe then we can imagine. Why does this universe exist, what caused the big bang? Action-Reaction?

And this is only the physical universe, what universe is just around our quantum bend? How many more are dissimilar to it? This is just a stop in a long journey that will continue till ever...

British boy · Joined: 12 Aug 2006 Posts: 325 Location: London

Gus wrote: British boy wrote: Snarf wrote: British boy wrote: Snarf wrote: British boy wrote: What truly scares me is the idea that once I die it is the end. I no longer exist. If that aint a scary thought I dunno what is.
An even more frightening thought is that you live forever exactly as you are with no way out. Death is scary because it is the unknown and we can imagine it. The other option is that you live forever and that would make live not worth living as no matter what you did you’d still be here with an eternity to try everything again and again.

Life matters because it is short. Make it sweet but do work on accepting the necessity of death for to have it the other way would truly be a living hell...

I accept death is necessary and that makes alot of sense. But how can you imagine the unknown?

That's what the imagination does best. Ride a beam of light, go camping on Mars, have a beer with God...
true, didn't think of that...
Well I disagree with Snarf. The imagination must imagine something...death as the ultimate end is nothing, so we can't imagine that...
We can still imagine it, not necessarily gonna be true

DevilMan · Joined: 02 May 2006 Posts: 169 Location: Pennsylvania

What makes this topic so interesting is that non one knows exactly what happens after a person dies. It's like a group of blind people (who have been blind since birth) trying to decide what seeing must be like. They of course have no idea what its like to see, we have no idea what its like to be dead. I don't believe in God but that doesn't mean I don't think something special happens after death. Its hard to imagine, being nothing. It's like trying to figure out what color you see out of the back of your eyes... Hopefully some one gets that analogy.

Gus · Joined: 17 Jun 2005 Posts: 7254 Location: Tampa, FL

Yup, I at least have no idea what happens when we die. Some people may have been convinced by paranormal encounters or something similar (actually parapsychology is presenting some very good evidence lately), but the only way to know is to experience it, so hold on to your shorts.

wildchild · Joined: 28 Oct 2006 Posts: 300 Location: alberta

CheZter wrote: Do you remember what was before you born? No. And this will be after you die.
Do you remember a lot about you past,
and that you think you remember is't true or just your oppinion?
Our body was created by our parents - no doubts about it,
but what about mind do you see some diferense between base of mind(conshenness) and base of body(flesh)...
As I little stupid bug think the mind and body have differnt sourses, of course they are linked on teh emotional level..
The couse of our mind in this particular moment is our mind expiriense of the past, doesn't it? If so the sours of mind could be only mind...

The Russian · Joined: 27 Oct 2006 Posts: 384 Location: Buffalo, NY

Quote: Here is a website full of people who have died and come back, and wrote down what happen for all to read and critique with their critical eyes.

www.near-death.com

It has been scientificaly proven that the out-of-body experience, the tunnel of light, and various other strange sensations are what you experience as your brain slowly dies... as opposed to quickly.

wildchild · Joined: 28 Oct 2006 Posts: 300 Location: alberta

every one belives in what he(she) wants to belive..

DevilMan · Joined: 02 May 2006 Posts: 169 Location: Pennsylvania

I believe in science. The scary, evil, mean world of science. Its just how the universe works, there is no god, humanity is doomed, the universe is going to collapse in on itself no matter what we do so there really is no purpose for us to do anything at all. That's the point of my philosophy, the world s*cks, the universe is meaningless, so try to have fun while you ARE alive and don't worry about death because you won't be alive to experience death.

wildchild · Joined: 28 Oct 2006 Posts: 300 Location: alberta

DevilMan wrote: I believe in science. The scary, evil, mean world of science. Its just how the universe works, there is no god, humanity is doomed, the universe is going to collapse in on itself no matter what we do so there really is no purpose for us to do anything at all. That's the point of my philosophy, the world s*cks, the universe is meaningless, so try to have fun while you ARE alive and don't worry about death because you won't be alive to experience death.
If you think that mind is just another function of body WHO is this "you" you always tolking about?
Science antill now have no any clear oppinion what mind is ?
Some of scientists even think mind doesn't exist.. such a crezy idea..
Of course we must serch everything and do not belive at all without our uderstanding, but so many people just belive in sciense , just like catolics
in the Middle Age in Papa's dogmats...
I could be wrong, I'm just a bug..

U000U77 · Joined: 31 Oct 2006 Posts: 14

I believe in chance. I believed in God for a long time. But the more people pray to him, and say he is with us, the less I believe.

I believe there could be a god, we'll see.

I'm curious.

wildchild · Joined: 28 Oct 2006 Posts: 300 Location: alberta

I belive in wisdom and compassion
inspite of my uselessness , hatred and so on
I hope one day it would be a chance to start your Path..

Alextyphus · Joined: 29 Oct 2006 Posts: 27

I believe in myself and my friends who allow me to live a happy life :)

Without self confidence and the confidence of those around you you might as well have no life.

The only part of dying that scares me is the fact that I will lose my riends who mean so much to me, the actual dying itself is of minimal concern, i just want to keep my friends god dammit!

Thats my two bob anyway.

mODULAR mAN · Joined: 13 Oct 2006 Posts: 852 Location: censored

Snarf wrote: johnflesh wrote: The very instant you die you will hear a loud boom of sorts, seemingly off in the distance. You will feel it more than hear it. You will be above your body, standing, floating, whatever you wish to call it and everything will seem 'normal' around for a short period of time. Pain will seem to slip away from you slowly. You will feel weightlessness take over and cold begin to surround you.

Blackness will appear from the blackest points in the area that you can visualize. The black will become more and more until there is nothing around you but a void of space. No floor, no walls, not even time exists in this void. From the distance you will see what looks like people and in fact that is just what they are, people who have died as well. They will come to you but will not touch you. They will scare you but will not harm you. If you speak the name of a God or that of anything considered holy, religious, or about God in general, these people will run from you back into the void.

If you are religious in anyway shape or form you will, at a length of 'time' see a pinhole of light in the void. This light is God. If you are not religious, or simply athiest, you can still see the light if you can so much as fathom a higher power. This light will grow to consume the void and you will then begin seeing familiar faces of those who you knew in life. They will look their best. If they died at the age of 78, they will look 30 years old. If they died at the age of 12, the will look 12. They along with another 'spirit' will greet you with the intentions of calming you with the realization of your passing at hand. As you calm you will be greeted by this other spirit who we will call Jesus, for the sake of arguement.

Jesus will hold you without touching you, he will look at you without eyes, and he will love you even if you lived your life hating and discounting his image and meaning. You will then review your life as it was, from beginning to end. All of your worst failures, mistakes, and 'sins' will be reviewed by your heart and that of Jesus. As well all of your kindness, love and care will speak volumes about you. This review isn't for Jesus, it is for you. You will judge yourself. With Jesus by your side it will be impossible for you not to understand the point of judging one's self.

After the review you will be given a choice depending on how you died. If you body remains intact, capable of sustaining life, you will be given the choice to go back. Most after discovering the truth about 'life' after death choose not to go back to the world of pain and misery. Your other choice is to stay in Heaven to grow as a source of energy of love, or you can go back and use another life to help merge heaven and earth once and for all.

________________________________________

While this may seem like a fictional story of what it is like to die it is in fact what happens to you when you do die. There is a lot of opinions on what happens when you die, or what happens to your soul or spirit, but there is only one fact.
Even God probably couldn't understand where someone came up with this muck. It strains my bulls**t detector to even read it...

Mine shorted out. I don't know if I can get a refund for this kind of heavy usage. :lol:

Death: depedning on how you die, the energy that gets blood to your brain, and fires off the synapes in your brain will dissipate. you will release your bowels and your lungs will relax completely. There will be a white light effect as your brain is denied oxygen and in a breif few seconds you will feel little pain (since your body will try to conserve energy and shut down no essential functions, as it tries to keep the brain alive), perhaps you will feel a euphoria.

Then, nothing. Less, then nothing, since you will not be a "you" anymore to even experience "nothing".

Your body will then start the decomposition process, which is what your energy is turned into: food and heat.

Your friends and family will mourn; they will remember your personality, with they will call a "soul", and they may even conjure up times when they think they see you, or hear your.

You legacy will be all that is left, and if you are religious at all, you may have a breif moment before you go where you think you wasted your life following a myth, instead of milking life for all you could.

If your atheist, you will say, "this s*cks, but here we go. It happens to the best of us and at least I didn't try to dellude myself in life. Now, we'll see about this afterlife thing."
Then, "I told you so."
:wink: