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TheGirlNextDoor · Joined: 08 Jul 2004 Posts: 22608

I suppose I will find out once I die... just like everyone else. Either nothing will happen and I won't be aware of anything, or I'll go to hell and say, "Oh damn. Maybe I should have had faith in God... Whoopsie."

John · Posted: Sat Oct 21, 2006 10:54 pm Post subject:

TheGirlNextDoor wrote: I suppose I will find out once I die... just like everyone else. Either nothing will happen and I won't be aware of anything, or I'll go to hell and say, "Oh damn. Maybe I should have had faith in God... Whoopsie."

Seems like a lose lose situation by not having faith in God.

Snarf · Joined: 10 Jan 2005 Posts: 5238

John wrote: TheGirlNextDoor wrote: I suppose I will find out once I die... just like everyone else. Either nothing will happen and I won't be aware of anything, or I'll go to hell and say, "Oh damn. Maybe I should have had faith in God... Whoopsie."

Seems like a lose lose situation by not having faith in God.
That depends on how you have to live your life if you have faith. If you live like you don’t want to because you believe God wants you to live that way, then you lose out on the only life you’ll ever know for a chance to live an eternity later on that no one has proof actually exists. That is a very big roll of the dice to lose what you have for what you might gain.

Some of us prefer to live the life we've been given instead of trying to mail it back to the Sender in hopes of getting an even better deal. I have one life and I live it that way. Any Creator smart enough to make me would know that about me without even bothering to ask.

Pascal's Wager works only if you were planning on living that way anyway but I would hardly call that faith. I suspect God would feel that way as well...

Numb · Joined: 02 Sep 2006 Posts: 273

When I die I'll come back and post about it. I'm sure they must have some kind of internet connection in Heaven.

thefranzkafkafront · Posted: Sun Oct 22, 2006 12:14 pm Post subject:

John wrote: TheGirlNextDoor wrote: I suppose I will find out once I die... just like everyone else. Either nothing will happen and I won't be aware of anything, or I'll go to hell and say, "Oh damn. Maybe I should have had faith in God... Whoopsie."

Seems like a lose lose situation by not having faith in God.

Oh don't start with that Pascals wager crap.

Hell maybe we are all taking a risk by not beliving in Ra.

Thats why im an agnostic, its impossible ot prove the existence of an afterlife or diety, it essential lives on only due to being so firmly cemented in culture.

So its a proposition that logically must be discounted.

MplsBison · Joined: 13 Dec 2005 Posts: 3237

johnflesh wrote: The very instant you die you will hear a loud boom of sorts, seemingly off in the distance. You will feel it more than hear it. You will be above your body, standing, floating, whatever you wish to call it and everything will seem 'normal' around for a short period of time. Pain will seem to slip away from you slowly. You will feel weightlessness take over and cold begin to surround you.

Blackness will appear from the blackest points in the area that you can visualize. The black will become more and more until there is nothing around you but a void of space. No floor, no walls, not even time exists in this void. From the distance you will see what looks like people and in fact that is just what they are, people who have died as well. They will come to you but will not touch you. They will scare you but will not harm you. If you speak the name of a God or that of anything considered holy, religious, or about God in general, these people will run from you back into the void.

If you are religious in anyway shape or form you will, at a length of 'time' see a pinhole of light in the void. This light is God. If you are not religious, or simply athiest, you can still see the light if you can so much as fathom a higher power. This light will grow to consume the void and you will then begin seeing familiar faces of those who you knew in life. They will look their best. If they died at the age of 78, they will look 30 years old. If they died at the age of 12, the will look 12. They along with another 'spirit' will greet you with the intentions of calming you with the realization of your passing at hand. As you calm you will be greeted by this other spirit who we will call Jesus, for the sake of arguement.

Jesus will hold you without touching you, he will look at you without eyes, and he will love you even if you lived your life hating and discounting his image and meaning. You will then review your life as it was, from beginning to end. All of your worst failures, mistakes, and 'sins' will be reviewed by your heart and that of Jesus. As well all of your kindness, love and care will speak volumes about you. This review isn't for Jesus, it is for you. You will judge yourself. With Jesus by your side it will be impossible for you not to understand the point of judging one's self.

After the review you will be given a choice depending on how you died. If you body remains intact, capable of sustaining life, you will be given the choice to go back. Most after discovering the truth about 'life' after death choose not to go back to the world of pain and misery. Your other choice is to stay in Heaven to grow as a source of energy of love, or you can go back and use another life to help merge heaven and earth once and for all.

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While this may seem like a fictional story of what it is like to die it is in fact what happens to you when you do die. There is a lot of opinions on what happens when you die, or what happens to your soul or spirit, but there is only one fact.

So no hell then?

Darnit. How are we going to scare people into not doing "bad" things?

mr.snruB · Joined: 21 Oct 2006 Posts: 7136 Location: Ontario, Canada

We rot. Our minds are just allusions created by our brain as it functions and takes in our senses. We're like computers, and our minds are the software. When the computer shuts off, so does everything else

mr.snruB · Joined: 21 Oct 2006 Posts: 7136 Location: Ontario, Canada

John wrote: TheGirlNextDoor wrote: I suppose I will find out once I die... just like everyone else. Either nothing will happen and I won't be aware of anything, or I'll go to hell and say, "Oh damn. Maybe I should have had faith in God... Whoopsie."

Seems like a lose lose situation by not having faith in God.

You don't consider it a losing situation if you spend your life in fear of a god and following ridiculous rules that make no sense, and depriving yourself of pleasures because you're afraid to go to hell and then....oh, there is no god. You wasted your time

Rozzlapeed · Joined: 11 Nov 2004 Posts: 425 Location: Scottsdale, AZ

I believe that after I die, my penis will be surgically inverted by a tall, one-armed man with average build, who also has the head of a goat and barks like a dog. I will then be stapled to a balsa-wood brace and planted in a hydroponic terrarium. After about 6 months, my lymph nodes will be harvested and smoked by the Mother Goddess.

I'm not sure why I believe this, but call it a hunch.

Askim · Joined: 07 May 2006 Posts: 302 Location: Windsor,Ontario

Rozzlapeed wrote: I believe that after I die, my penis will be surgically inverted by a tall, one-armed man with average build, who also has the head of a goat and barks like a dog. I will then be stapled to a balsa-wood brace and planted in a hydroponic terrarium. After about 6 months, my lymph nodes will be harvested and smoked by the Mother Goddess.

I'm not sure why I believe this, but call it a hunch.

LOL!!!! The sick part is, if all the Christian preachers in the land started saying that to there congragations, all the sheep would be parroting it verbatim. They would all carry Zig Zags in there top pockets so god could roll them up!

British boy · Joined: 12 Aug 2006 Posts: 325 Location: London

I always wondered why it was necessary to believe if your good you go to heaven, if your bad you go to hell. If you believe that God is truly benevolent and forgiving then it doesn't make sense to believe that he would allow you to face hell. I think the concept of hell is inane.
I would like to think that after death you enter a place of contentment. What truly scares me is the idea that once I die it is the end. I no longer exist. If that aint a scary thought I dunno what is.

zentrait · Joined: 10 Mar 2005 Posts: 532

'energy cannot be created or destroyed' ... we have always existed, and will never die... it's just the state of energy we exist in...

mr.snruB · Joined: 21 Oct 2006 Posts: 7136 Location: Ontario, Canada

zentrait wrote: 'energy cannot be created or destroyed' ... we have always existed, and will never die... it's just the state of energy we exist in...

Our energy will be passed onto the organisms that devour us

Snarf · Joined: 10 Jan 2005 Posts: 5238

British boy wrote: What truly scares me is the idea that once I die it is the end. I no longer exist. If that aint a scary thought I dunno what is.
An even more frightening thought is that you live forever exactly as you are with no way out. Death is scary because it is the unknown and we can imagine it. The other option is that you live forever and that would make live not worth living as no matter what you did you’d still be here with an eternity to try everything again and again.

Life matters because it is short. Make it sweet but do work on accepting the necessity of death for to have it the other way would truly be a living hell...

mr.snruB · Joined: 21 Oct 2006 Posts: 7136 Location: Ontario, Canada

British boy wrote: What truly scares me is the idea that once I die it is the end. I no longer exist. If that aint a scary thought I dunno what is.

I don't find it scary

zentrait · Joined: 10 Mar 2005 Posts: 532

mr.snruB wrote: zentrait wrote: 'energy cannot be created or destroyed' ... we have always existed, and will never die... it's just the state of energy we exist in...

Our energy will be passed onto the organisms that devour us

Who said all our energy is only inherent to this universe? ...quantum levels

Gus · Joined: 17 Jun 2005 Posts: 7253 Location: Tampa, FL

mr.snruB wrote: Our minds are just allusions created by our brain as it functions and takes in our senses.
An illusion to whom?

Rozzlapeed · Joined: 11 Nov 2004 Posts: 425 Location: Scottsdale, AZ

Gus wrote: mr.snruB wrote: Our minds are just allusions created by our brain as it functions and takes in our senses.
An illusion to whom?

He didn't say illusions. He said allusions. Like literary references. What he means is that as we process our environment, our brains hearken back to the great works of Shakespeare or Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, and that, for example, when our noses pick up the scent of moisture in the air, our minds instantly begin processing prose, such as, "ah, what a musky odor. I find it redolent of the dewey mists that linger over the moor before dawn," which is, of course, an allusion to the Sherlock Holmes novel, the Hound of Baskervilles.

Gdawg007 · Joined: 06 Jul 2004 Posts: 14346 Location: Albuquerque, NM

Askim wrote: Rozzlapeed wrote: I believe that after I die, my penis will be surgically inverted by a tall, one-armed man with average build, who also has the head of a goat and barks like a dog. I will then be stapled to a balsa-wood brace and planted in a hydroponic terrarium. After about 6 months, my lymph nodes will be harvested and smoked by the Mother Goddess.

I'm not sure why I believe this, but call it a hunch.

LOL!!!! The sick part is, if all the Christian preachers in the land started saying that to there congragations, all the sheep would be parroting it verbatim. They would all carry Zig Zags in there top pockets so god could roll them up!

Avoid generalizing entire religions on these boards please. Thanks.

British boy · Joined: 12 Aug 2006 Posts: 325 Location: London

Snarf wrote: British boy wrote: What truly scares me is the idea that once I die it is the end. I no longer exist. If that aint a scary thought I dunno what is.
An even more frightening thought is that you live forever exactly as you are with no way out. Death is scary because it is the unknown and we can imagine it. The other option is that you live forever and that would make live not worth living as no matter what you did you’d still be here with an eternity to try everything again and again.

Life matters because it is short. Make it sweet but do work on accepting the necessity of death for to have it the other way would truly be a living hell...

I accept death is necessary and that makes alot of sense. But how can you imagine the unknown?