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[Patriot911]

Mighty Oak wrote: She was the National Security Adviser.You are incredible.You are nothing more than a mouth piece of propaganda and I'm glad you continue in this manner for all to see.You are becoming so blatantly obvious that you serve this Administration first.

So since you've failed to show how what she said is a lie, I will take your little diatribe as a concession that I am once again right and you've failed again. :lol:

If the use of airlines as missiles was considered a high risk and Rice didn't know about it, you might have a point about her being the National Security Advisor. I don't expect the National Security Advisor to focus on every conceivable threat against the United States, but apparently you want the National Security Advisor to know everything. :roll:

[Mighty Oak]

Patriot911 wrote: Mighty Oak wrote: She was the National Security Adviser.You are incredible.You are nothing more than a mouth piece of propaganda and I'm glad you continue in this manner for all to see.You are becoming so blatantly obvious that you serve this Administration first.

So since you've failed to show how what she said is a lie, I will take your little diatribe as a concession that I am once again right and you've failed again. :lol:

If the use of airlines as missiles was considered a high risk and Rice didn't know about it, you might have a point about her being the National Security Advisor. I don't expect the National Security Advisor to focus on every conceivable threat against the United States, but apparently you want the National Security Advisor to know everything. :roll: The Pentagon has conducted drills of this scenario in the past and on the day of 911 and you think this was not a concern and that she is not aware of this.What does a National Security Adviser do in her day,visit daycare schools?She looks at all threats and Advises to who?The President,the Secretary of Defence?To daycare children?I won't resort to flaming you,you just carry on.

[Patriot911]

Mighty Oak wrote: Patriot911 wrote: Mighty Oak wrote: She was the National Security Adviser.You are incredible.You are nothing more than a mouth piece of propaganda and I'm glad you continue in this manner for all to see.You are becoming so blatantly obvious that you serve this Administration first.

So since you've failed to show how what she said is a lie, I will take your little diatribe as a concession that I am once again right and you've failed again. :lol:

If the use of airlines as missiles was considered a high risk and Rice didn't know about it, you might have a point about her being the National Security Advisor. I don't expect the National Security Advisor to focus on every conceivable threat against the United States, but apparently you want the National Security Advisor to know everything. :roll: The Pentagon has conducted drills of this scenario in the past and on the day of 911 and you think that she is not aware of this.What does a National Security Adviser do in her day,visit daycare schools?She looks at all threats and Advises to who?The President,the Secretary of Defence?To daycare children?I won't resort to flaming you,you just carry on.

Now who is the liar? The Pentagon was not conducting drills about planes being used as missiles on 9/11. Since I have pointed this out and proven it before, this would make you a proven liar.

The ONLY event even remotely resembling a plane crashing into a building was the National Reconnasance Office simulating a plane with mechanical difficulties crashing into their building.

Quote: Aside from military exercises, a National Reconnaissance Office drill was being conducted on September 11, 2001. In a similated event, a small aircraft would crash into one of the towers of the agency's headuarter after experiencing a mechanical failure. The NRO is the branch of the Department of Defense in charge of spy satellites. According to its spokesman Art Haubold: "No actual plane was to be involved -- to simulate the damage from the crash, some stairwells and exits were to be closed off, forcing employees to find other ways to evacuate the building." He further explained: "It was just an incredible coincidence that this happened to involve an aircraft crashing into our facility, as soon as the real world events began, we canceled the exercise." Most of the agency's personel were sent home after the attacks.

Do you think the Pentagon informs the National Security Advisor of every drill that they do? :roll: Like I said, if using planes as missiles was considered a likely threat before 9/11 you would have a case. As it is, all you have is egg on your face.

[Wizard From Oz]

Quote: Do you think the Pentagon informs the National Security Advisor of every drill that they do? Like I said, if using planes as missiles was considered a likely threat before 9/11 you would have a case. As it is, all you have is egg on your face.

As has been commented earlier - There had been reports done. However the threat analysts would have been set at a low probability because of behaviour studies of previous hijackings.

Hijackers has always taken planes, then kept them intact as a bargining chip for whatever political aim or statement they where making.

The attacks of 911 where unique in that commercial aircraft where taken with the express purpose of destroying them.

Such threats and incidents had occured previously - Kamakazis in WW2. But the assumption was made, the aircraft would be military and orginating from an international point.

You can bet the farm if an aircraft with either no transponder or an unidentified military transponder entered US airspace, Norad would have been all over it like a rash. Thats their job

Even their own webpage admits the change of mission statement after 911. Instead of looking outwards, they had to look inwards as well

Is this situation unique to the world? No

In WW2 Fortress Singapore was considered a bastion of British rule in Asia. A projection of their power. It was always assumed that the threat would come by sea, and hence all the weapons where mounted for such an attack

Singapore fell - basically to a group of Japanses soliders on bicycles riding through the jungle. Who would have predicted that?

[Mighty Oak]

Patriot911 wrote: Mighty Oak wrote: Patriot911 wrote: Mighty Oak wrote: She was the National Security Adviser.You are incredible.You are nothing more than a mouth piece of propaganda and I'm glad you continue in this manner for all to see.You are becoming so blatantly obvious that you serve this Administration first.

So since you've failed to show how what she said is a lie, I will take your little diatribe as a concession that I am once again right and you've failed again. :lol:

If the use of airlines as missiles was considered a high risk and Rice didn't know about it, you might have a point about her being the National Security Advisor. I don't expect the National Security Advisor to focus on every conceivable threat against the United States, but apparently you want the National Security Advisor to know everything. :roll: The Pentagon has conducted drills of this scenario in the past and on the day of 911 and you think that she is not aware of this.What does a National Security Adviser do in her day,visit daycare schools?She looks at all threats and Advises to who?The President,the Secretary of Defence?To daycare children?I won't resort to flaming you,you just carry on.

Now who is the liar? The Pentagon was not conducting drills about planes being used as missiles on 9/11. Since I have pointed this out and proven it before, this would make you a proven liar.

The ONLY event even remotely resembling a plane crashing into a building was the National Reconnasance Office simulating a plane with mechanical difficulties crashing into their building.

Quote: Aside from military exercises, a National Reconnaissance Office drill was being conducted on September 11, 2001. In a similated event, a small aircraft would crash into one of the towers of the agency's headuarter after experiencing a mechanical failure. The NRO is the branch of the Department of Defense in charge of spy satellites. According to its spokesman Art Haubold: "No actual plane was to be involved -- to simulate the damage from the crash, some stairwells and exits were to be closed off, forcing employees to find other ways to evacuate the building." He further explained: "It was just an incredible coincidence that this happened to involve an aircraft crashing into our facility, as soon as the real world events began, we canceled the exercise." Most of the agency's personel were sent home after the attacks.

Do you think the Pentagon informs the National Security Advisor of every drill that they do? :roll: Like I said, if using planes as missiles was considered a likely threat before 9/11 you would have a case. As it is, all you have is egg on your face. Here is an interesting letter.In part Quote: Greetings Mr. White,

I felt it necessary to follow up to a recent story that
was published in Cincinnati Post. It was the 1 in 3 believe 9-11
conspiracy theory. I must admit that at first I was overwhelmed with
joy that our local paper was actually starting to have real journalism
and talk about real issues. Then I read the story and it was a total
debunk to make the actual people around the world who feel there was
something not right about 9-11, to look like over reacting
conspiracy theorists.

Im utterly outraged. My 9 year old daughter could have done more
research in this, as opposed to just trying to throw the publics ideas
and feelings out. Is this not what journalism is supposed to represent
- real issues? There have been many, many polls done in major cities
that actually ask people how they felt about the 9-11 tragedy. One
such poll is called the Zogby poll; which was offered in New York City.

Honestly I could care less what is done with this letter, but I feel
that I should speak my mind and Ill tell you some things that I have
not told many people at all. From 1995 till 2002 I was a Sergeant in
the United States Army. Not only this, but I was stationed at United
States Central Command, which is located at MacDill AFB in Tampa
Florida. I was on active duty when 9-11 happened. In the days prior to
the tragedies, we were involved in many exercises. Some of these
exercises included the scenarios of hijacked planes crashing into, our
building the world trade center, the White House, Sears Tower, and the
Pentagon. These drills or exercises as we called them, where
classified Top Secret. Having a Top Secret rated clearance I was
dumbfounded that they would ever push a training exercise above the
level of Secret. Over my 8 years in the Army, I had participated in
many exercises around the world, none of which were ever classified
over the Secret level.

Ill start by saying a few months prior it was announced by President
Bush that Dick Cheney would be heading up operations over NORAD our
North American Aerospace Defense Command. Along with many of my peers,
we were shocked. Over the years, if you research NORAD, it has always
been under the command of a Military officer. It was done this way
because the defense of this country has always been in the hands of
such. Prior to the months before 9-11 this was all of the sudden
changed. Like I said, if you research NORAD and the command structure
you will find that it was imposed long ago that the military should be
in control of the order to scramble planes in the defense of American
air space. For some strange reason, Bush changed this and gave that
power to a civilian person on his Staff team yes I know, very
interesting.

Back to the morning of 9-11; the command was busy with this training
exercise. We were instructed to bring all our gear in to prep for a
mock (staged) deployment to the Middle East. On the morning of 9-11 I
had been on base prepped and ready to go since about 0400am. During my
time at the base that morning, they were setting up barriers around
the command and placing gun posts on the roofs. When I questioned one
of the security officers about the machine gun and shoulder fired
rockets on the roof I was given the answer its a precaution for a
plane attempting to crash into this building.

So, I was standing in the SCIF (Secure Compartmented Information
Facility), which is basically this underground bunker command post for
USCENTCOM, when the first plane hit. We were watching the fly patterns
of all the planes on the aerospace grid. This contained not only all
commercial flights at the time, but all military flights, and fake
enemy planes that were supposedly put on there for the exercise. Many
of the planes sent to intercept the fake blips were scrambled from
Andrews which is an air defense AFB for the East Coast. They were sent
across the US and left very few planes to defend the capital. After
the first plane hit the tower we were all in disbelief. After the
initial shock was over, our questions were what are the odds this
could happen for real, during a training exercise thats covering the
same scenario? We were all at wits end. Then to top all of this off,
Cheney gave NORAD the order to stand down scrambling jets to
intercept. A few moments later tower 2 was hit. Only after the
Pentagon was hit, did he give the orders to scramble the jets to
intercept the plane bound for the White House.

All of this is very interesting to me it sickened me so that I left
the Army after coming back from an 8 month deployment to Afghanistan.
There were just too many questions that no one could answer, too many
things that did not make sense. How is it possible to have a training
exercise about planes hitting the WTC and then actually have planes
hit the WTC? This kind of thing just does not happen unless its
pre-planned. What reason would there be to have this type of exercise
on that morning, Ill tell you if you are placing fake planes all
over the north American aerospace grid then you have no way of
knowing which planes are real and which are fake. Then to thicken the
plot you put a civilian in charge of NORAD so that the military does
not have the power to initiate the order for jets to be scrambled to
intercept. If the military would have still commanded power over NORAD
they would have scrambled jets because they would have simply
followed the procedures that had been in place for this type of
situation for years and years and scrambled jets.





Respectfully,

SGT Lauro Chavez
United States Central Command
I can't find the actual document just this.. Quote: Today, numerous Federal departments and agencies have programs to deal with the consequences of a potential use of a chemical, biological, radiological, or nuclear weapon in the United States. Many of these Federal programs offer training, planning, and assistance to state and local governments. But to maximize their effectiveness, these efforts need to be seamlessly integrated, harmonious, and comprehensive.

Therefore, I have asked Vice President Cheney to oversee the development of a coordinated national effort so that we may do the very best possible job of protecting our people from catastrophic harm.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2001/05/20010508.html


They had at least the one that you mentioned,who cares it was a smaller plane and wasn't considered a terrorist attack,still a plane flying into a building on 911.Hell of a coincidence.They had a bio drill in New York city on 911,operation tripod,again,hell of a coincidence.We know of at least 4 war games going on on September 11th,that is fact.Even Bush lied when he said.He didn't know anyone would use planes as missiles.

[Patriot911]

:lol: You're STILL believing the Lauro Chavez story? Good for you! It is good to believe in fairy tales.

There are so many holes in his story that it isn't even funny. His DD214 was so doctored in photoshop that he could have done a better job with an eraser and pen. He spent 8 months in Afghanistan protecting a pipeline that doesn't exist?!? :rofl: Ever wonder why he only appears on the Alex Jones show and not CNN or Fox?

And how does Cheney getting put in charge of overseeing the development of a coordinated national effort prove he was responsible for 9/11? This was announced four months befor 9/11. What was he suppose to accomplish in this effort to develop a plan? :roll: Your desperation to find ANYTHING is really getting quite hysterical.

[Mighty Oak]

Patriot911 wrote: :lol: You're STILL believing the Lauro Chavez story? Good for you! It is good to believe in fairy tales.

There are so many holes in his story that it isn't even funny. His DD214 was so doctored in photoshop that he could have done a better job with an eraser and pen. He spent 8 months in Afghanistan protecting a pipeline that doesn't exist?!? :rofl: Ever wonder why he only appears on the Alex Jones show and not CNN or Fox?

And how does Cheney getting put in charge of overseeing the development of a coordinated national effort prove he was responsible for 9/11? This was announced four months befor 9/11. What was he suppose to accomplish in this effort to develop a plan? :roll: Your desperation to find ANYTHING is really getting quite hysterical. Give me a break,William Rodriguez was never on CNN,so he's a fake as well? http://www.911forthetruth.com/pages/Rodriguez.htm You really ought to look at these and then comment.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o11u4EW9Hn8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5q2DO7ofnQ&mode=related&search=

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dXNjLt3vVwg&mode=related&search=

You will find that things get removed once exposed.

[Patriot911]

Mighty Oak wrote: Patriot911 wrote: :lol: You're STILL believing the Lauro Chavez story? Good for you! It is good to believe in fairy tales.

There are so many holes in his story that it isn't even funny. His DD214 was so doctored in photoshop that he could have done a better job with an eraser and pen. He spent 8 months in Afghanistan protecting a pipeline that doesn't exist?!? :rofl: Ever wonder why he only appears on the Alex Jones show and not CNN or Fox?

And how does Cheney getting put in charge of overseeing the development of a coordinated national effort prove he was responsible for 9/11? This was announced four months befor 9/11. What was he suppose to accomplish in this effort to develop a plan? :roll: Your desperation to find ANYTHING is really getting quite hysterical. Give me a break,William Rodriguez was never on CNN,so he's a fake as well? http://www.911forthetruth.com/pages/Rodriguez.htm You really ought to look at these and then comment.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o11u4EW9Hn8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5q2DO7ofnQ&mode=related&search=

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dXNjLt3vVwg&mode=related&search=

You will find that things get removed once exposed.

I am tired of watching your stupid videos. Do you honestly think it gives your points some kind of extra credit because it is in video format?

As for William Rodriguez, he is also entitled to his opinion. His claim of an explosion in the basement are consistant with the shockwave from the crash traveling to the basement through the core before the shockwave through the air.

[Norrin Radd]

Patriot911 wrote: :lol: You're STILL believing the Lauro Chavez story? Good for you! It is good to believe in fairy tales.

There are so many holes in his story that it isn't even funny. His DD214 was so doctored in photoshop that he could have done a better job with an eraser and pen. He spent 8 months in Afghanistan protecting a pipeline that doesn't exist?!? :rofl: Ever wonder why he only appears on the Alex Jones show and not CNN or Fox?

And how does Cheney getting put in charge of overseeing the development of a coordinated national effort prove he was responsible for 9/11? This was announced four months befor 9/11. What was he suppose to accomplish in this effort to develop a plan? :roll: Your desperation to find ANYTHING is really getting quite hysterical.

The hypocrite once against attacks a poster with his childish use of smilies and rofls.

I mean really, are you in 6th grade, or what?

[Snake]

Hey, don't knock the rofl :x

[Patriot911]

Norrin Radd wrote: Patriot911 wrote: :lol: You're STILL believing the Lauro Chavez story? Good for you! It is good to believe in fairy tales.

There are so many holes in his story that it isn't even funny. His DD214 was so doctored in photoshop that he could have done a better job with an eraser and pen. He spent 8 months in Afghanistan protecting a pipeline that doesn't exist?!? :rofl: Ever wonder why he only appears on the Alex Jones show and not CNN or Fox?

And how does Cheney getting put in charge of overseeing the development of a coordinated national effort prove he was responsible for 9/11? This was announced four months befor 9/11. What was he suppose to accomplish in this effort to develop a plan? :roll: Your desperation to find ANYTHING is really getting quite hysterical.

The hypocrite once against attacks a poster with his childish use of smilies and rofls.

I mean really, are you in 6th grade, or what?

Nice troll post. :lol: :rofl: :lol: :rofl: :lol: :rofl: :lol: :rofl: :lol: :rofl: :lol: :rofl: :lol: :rofl: :lol: :rofl: :lol: :rofl: :lol: :rofl: :lol: :rofl: :lol: :rofl: :lol: :rofl: :lol: :rofl: :lol: :rofl: :lol: :rofl: :lol: :rofl: :lol: :rofl: :lol: :rofl: :lol: :rofl: :lol: :rofl: :lol: :rofl: :lol: :rofl: :lol: :rofl: :lol: :rofl: :lol: :rofl: :lol: :rofl: :lol: :rofl: :lol: :rofl: :lol: :rofl: :lol: :rofl: :lol: :rofl: :lol: :rofl: :lol: :rofl: :lol: :rofl: :lol: :rofl: :lol: :rofl: :lol: :rofl: :lol: :rofl: :lol: :rofl: :lol: :rofl:

And my favorite just for you......

:moon:

[Bull]

Norrin Radd wrote: Patriot911 wrote: :lol: You're STILL believing the Lauro Chavez story? Good for you! It is good to believe in fairy tales.

There are so many holes in his story that it isn't even funny. His DD214 was so doctored in photoshop that he could have done a better job with an eraser and pen. He spent 8 months in Afghanistan protecting a pipeline that doesn't exist?!? :rofl: Ever wonder why he only appears on the Alex Jones show and not CNN or Fox?

And how does Cheney getting put in charge of overseeing the development of a coordinated national effort prove he was responsible for 9/11? This was announced four months befor 9/11. What was he suppose to accomplish in this effort to develop a plan? :roll: Your desperation to find ANYTHING is really getting quite hysterical.

The hypocrite once against attacks a poster with his childish use of smilies and rofls.

I mean really, are you in 6th grade, or what?

You know Patriot is PCF COINTELPRO...probably knows Karl Rove :lol: .