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[Mighty Oak]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GPWF8JW7jJw&mode=related&search=


Well-Timed Scandal Implication Pushing 9/11 Able-Danger Whistle Blower Weldon Out of House
Rep. said info on Atta before 9/11 went un-reported in "a clear and unequivocal cover-up"

Weldon is openly suspicious about the timing of allegations less than three weeks before the highly-anticipated mid-term election.

"What I find ironic, if there is an investigation, is that no one would tell me until three weeks before the election," Weldon said. "This incident was 2 1/2 years ago."

This is rather suspicious.The one guy that wants Able danger exposed is being oust.

I believe this is a deliberate act to remove this man from public view and remove any power he might have at seeing Able Danger being exposed.

Any thoughts.

[psholtz]

Well, we're just going to have to add the Honorable Congressman to the long list of other prominent individuals who have come forward and gone on public record as stating that 9/11 was an inside job carried out by the Bush administration.

Congressman Weldon joins an elite and distinguished group of prominent individuals who *know* the truth about 9/11, and who have gone on public record to that effect, including:

* Jesse Ventura
* Charlie Sheen
* Peter Gabriel
* Ed Asner
* The Dixie Chicks
* The Jersey Girls (widows who forced the 9/11 Commission into being)
* Daniel Ellsberg (author of the Pentagon Papers)
* Paul Craig Roberts (Stanford Fellow, father of Reaganomics)
* Andreas von Buelow (former German tech minister)
* Johannes B. Koeppl (former German defense minister)
* Michael Meacher (member of British parliament)
* Stanley Hilton (former chief of staff for Bob Dole)
* Robert M. Bowman (flew 101 combat missions of Vietnam, father of "Star Wars" program)
* Morgan Reynolds (former chief economist in Bush administration)
* Craig Murray (former UK ambassador)
* Bill Christison (28-year veteran of CIA)
* Webster Tarpley ("Unauthorized Biography of Bush")
* Bill Doyle (head of largest 9/11 victim's group)

and many others..

The Truth Movement is going supernova.. :-D

The criminals have nowhere left to hide!

[Rhoades]

psholtz wrote:
* The Dixie Chicks

lol, come on man. :lol:

[Wizard From Oz]

Quote: * Jesse Ventura
* Charlie Sheen
* Peter Gabriel
* Ed Asner
* The Dixie Chicks
* The Jersey Girls (widows who forced the 9/11 Commission into being)
* Daniel Ellsberg (author of the Pentagon Papers)
* Paul Craig Roberts (Stanford Fellow, father of Reaganomics)
* Andreas von Buelow (former German tech minister)
* Johannes B. Koeppl (former German defense minister)
* Michael Meacher (member of British parliament)
* Stanley Hilton (former chief of staff for Bob Dole)
* Robert M. Bowman (flew 101 combat missions of Vietnam, father of "Star Wars" program)
* Morgan Reynolds (former chief economist in Bush administration)
* Craig Murray (former UK ambassador)
* Bill Christison (28-year veteran of CIA)
* Webster Tarpley ("Unauthorized Biography of Bush")
* Bill Doyle (head of largest 9/11 victim's group)


I thought just for the hell of it I would see how good some of these people are - Now we will get rid of the former proffessional wrestler two actors and one singer and one band.

I am going to move past the Jersey Girls because I have seen so many different versions of what they have said done and believed.

So the leaves

Daniel Ellsberg -

This what he actually said to GCN radio host Jack Blood.

I have looked at a lot of that and I tell ya, without going into it all, which would take a lot of time, I find some of it very implausible and other parts of it, quite solid. There is no question in my mind, that there is enough evidence to justify a very comprehensive and hard hitting investigation of the kind we have not seen. With subpoenas, general questioning of people, releasing a lot of documents. There’s no question that very serious questions have been raised about how much they knew before hand and how much involvement there may have been.


Paul Craig Roberts - an extremely well respect economist - who had this to say.

On August 18, 2006, he wrote:

I will begin by stating what we know to be a solid incontrovertible scientific fact. We know that it is strictly impossible for any building, much less steel columned buildings, to “pancake” at free fall speed. Therefore, it is a non-controversial fact that the official explanation of the collapse of the WTC buildings is false... Since the damning incontrovertible fact has not been investigated, speculation and “conspiracy theories” have filled the void. Some of the speculation is based on circumstantial evidence and is plausible. Other of the speculation is untenable, and it is used to protect the official explanation by branding all skeptics “conspiracy theorists.” . The Popular Mechanics article and the TV documentary are obviously false since they both endorse the official explanation that the WTC buildings “pancaked” at free fall speed, an obvious scientific impossibility. [4]

then

On September 14, 2006, he wrote:

The explanation that the three WTC buildings collapsed as a result of damage and fire is a mere assertion. The assertion is not backed up with scientific calculation to demonstrate that the energy from the airliners, fire, and gravity were sufficient to collapse the buildings. A number of independent authorities believe that there is a very large energy deficit in the official account of the collapse of the buildings. Until this issue is resolved, the official explanation is merely an assertion no matter who believes it. [4]

I would be more than pleased to see his academic papers that show he is in a postion to make such sweeping statements about scientific calculations.

Interestingly he also had this to say about the media, even though he is a former journalist for the Wall Street Journal and Buisness Week

Anyone who depends on print, TV, or right-wing talk radio media is totally misinformed. The Bush administration has achieved a de facto Ministry of Propaganda."

Then we have Andreas Von Burlow

Planning the attacks was a master deed, in technical and organizational terms. To hijack four big airliners within a few minutes and fly them into targets within a single hour and doing so on complicated flight routes! That is unthinkable, without backing from the secret apparatuses of state and industry."

However not everyone in Germany agrees with him

http://www.werboom.de/vt/html/von_buelow.html - So obviously the Germans, who have nothing to gain or loose by backing the US story seem unmoved by his claims.

Then we come to British politician Micheal Meacher, who decided not to make his claims till after being sacked by Prime Minister Blair

He has also however claimed that a supposed absence of prevention by United States authorities of the hijackings on September 11, 2001 was suspicious and 'offered an extremely convenient pretext' for subsequent military action in Afghanistan and Iraq. This was seen as giving credence to conspiracy theories.

I decided to leave it there, because the conspiracy claims are as wishy washy as ever.

By the way, your supernova coment is suprisingly apt. A mass of unsupported hot gas collapsing in on its own instablity leaving nothing. I might be moved to use that description in the future

[The Newb]

Quote: Prof Jones said: "We don't believe that 19 hijackers and a few others in a cave in Afghanistan pulled this off acting alone



ok and all other attaks around the world as well inside jobs??? the attack on the cole? embassies around the world? come on they are not stupid they do have tech n ologyu and most did not live in caves until the us invaded afghanistan


Quote: They believe a group of US neo-conservatives called the Project for a New American Century, set on US world dominance, orchestrated the 9/11 attacks as an excuse to hit Iraq, Afghanistan and later Iran.



one word "propaganda"

Quote: The group says scientific evidence over the attacks on the World Trade Centre and the Pentagon is conclusive proof.

produce it and show how it proves it... most people who read articles like this will not look up both sides and decide for themselves, they believe what they read and accept the decisions made for them

Quote: Professor Jones said it was impossible for the twin towers to have collapsed in the way they did from the collision of two aeroplanes. He maintains jet fuel does not burn at temperatures high enough to melt steel beams and claims horizontal puffs of smoke seen during the collapse of the towers are indicative of controlled explosions used to bring down the towers.


really and steel doesnt melt?? jp8 ( jet fuel ) burns at "Open air burning temperatures: 260-315 °C
Maximum burning temperature: 980 °C " think it might cause a steel structure to melt and collapse? " In the 20th Century, steel melted at 1535 degrees Celsius (2795 F) (see http://www.chemicalelements.com/elements/fe.html), but in the 21st Century, it melts at 800 degrees C (1472 F). " the puffs could have been anything from ceilings collapsing and causing them to fire extinguishers blowing up from being too hot.....use you imagination on this many things in a building that size could do it

Quote: The group also maintains World Trade Centre 7 - a neighbouring building which caught fire and collapsed later in the day - was only partially damaged but had to be destroyed because it housed a clandestine CIA station.

it could not have been struturally unsound??? let me guess cia buildings are built 100 times tougher than normal buildings?

Quote: Professor James Fetzer, 65, a retired philosopher of science at the University of Minnesota, said: "The evidence is so overwhelming, but most Americans don't have time to take a look at this."



propoganda agian so those with out the insight to look things up wont feel they need to

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=403757&in_page_id=1770

[Mighty Oak]

Hey guys,please don't hijack this thread.This thread is about Curt Weldon,thanks.

[Wizard From Oz]

Quote: Hey guys,please don't hijack this thread.This thread is about Curt Weldon,thanks

Take it up with psholtz - he's the one who decided to add the rogues gallery of believers

[The Newb]

Mighty Oak wrote: Hey guys,please don't hijack this thread.This thread is about Curt Weldon,thanks.

i merely answered a prior statement :thrhj: :lol:

[Mighty Oak]

MG1962 wrote: Quote: Hey guys,please don't hijack this thread.This thread is about Curt Weldon,thanks

Take it up with psholtz - he's the one who decided to add the rogues gallery of believers I said please and thanks and this is your response to adhering to the rules.It's obvious who is hijacking this thread.

[The Newb]

Mighty Oak wrote: MG1962 wrote: Quote: Hey guys,please don't hijack this thread.This thread is about Curt Weldon,thanks

Take it up with psholtz - he's the one who decided to add the rogues gallery of believers I said please and thanks and this is your response to adhering to the rules.It's obvious who is hijacking this thread.

i was just havin a bit of fun with ya

carry on with your conversation

[Patriot911]

How is this new news? Curt Weldon has been at this for years.

What I want to know is what story do you believe? Curt Weldon's, the governments, or the conspiracy theories?

[Mighty Oak]

Patriot911 wrote: How is this new news? Curt Weldon has been at this for years.

What I want to know is what story do you believe? Curt Weldon's, the governments, or the conspiracy theories? Maybe you should go back and read the 1st post.Are high this morning?You don't seem to be your normal self.

[Patriot911]

Mighty Oak wrote: Patriot911 wrote: How is this new news? Curt Weldon has been at this for years.

What I want to know is what story do you believe? Curt Weldon's, the governments, or the conspiracy theories? Maybe you should go back and read the 1st post.Are high this morning?You don't seem to be your normal self.

I just want to know which story you believe. You seem to believe multiple stories and I just want to nail down which one you believe.

[Mighty Oak]

Patriot911 wrote: Mighty Oak wrote: Patriot911 wrote: How is this new news? Curt Weldon has been at this for years.

What I want to know is what story do you believe? Curt Weldon's, the governments, or the conspiracy theories? Maybe you should go back and read the 1st post.Are high this morning?You don't seem to be your normal self.

I just want to know which story you believe. You seem to believe multiple stories and I just want to nail down which one you believe. My opinion was written in the first post.Go to the sentence that starts with "I believe".

[psholtz]

Patriot911 wrote: Mighty Oak wrote: Patriot911 wrote: How is this new news? Curt Weldon has been at this for years.

What I want to know is what story do you believe? Curt Weldon's, the governments, or the conspiracy theories? Maybe you should go back and read the 1st post.Are high this morning?You don't seem to be your normal self.

I just want to know which story you believe. You seem to believe multiple stories and I just want to nail down which one you believe.
You realize that the government has already come up w/ 5 conflicting explanations of why WTC7 fell... if you believe the government lie, then by definition it's *you* who believe multiple stories.. :wink:

[Todd D.]

Quote: Well, we're just going to have to add the Honorable Congressman to the long list of other prominent individuals who have come forward and gone on public record as stating that 9/11 was an inside job carried out by the Bush administration.
Um, what? Here's what he said:
Quote: Rep. said info on Atta before 9/11 went un-reported in "a clear and unequivocal cover-up
How does that sync with the "Inside Job" story? I was under the impression that the Inside Job folk believed that we framed OBL (often citing supposedly faked videos and other videos which OBL claims his innocence, not to mention the oft-debunked story of the terrorists still being alive), and carried out 9/11 by ourselves. How does a congressperson saying that we had info on Atta indicate that he believes the "Inside Job" theory, when the Inside Job theory says that Atta didn't do anything?

[psholtz]

Todd D. wrote: Quote: Well, we're just going to have to add the Honorable Congressman to the long list of other prominent individuals who have come forward and gone on public record as stating that 9/11 was an inside job carried out by the Bush administration.
Um, what? Here's what he said:
Quote: Rep. said info on Atta before 9/11 went un-reported in "a clear and unequivocal cover-up
How does that sync with the "Inside Job" story? I was under the impression that the Inside Job folk believed that we framed OBL (often citing supposedly faked videos and other videos which OBL claims his innocence, not to mention the oft-debunked story of the terrorists still being alive), and carried out 9/11 by ourselves. How does a congressperson saying that we had info on Atta indicate that he believes the "Inside Job" theory, when the Inside Job theory says that Atta didn't do anything?
Do you have any idea why the government is trying to cover up its info on Atta?

[Todd D.]

Please stop answering questions with questions. The fact is that, according to this congressperson, Able Danger identified Atta and three other 9/11 hijackers as Al-Qaeda cells living in New York City more than a year before the attacks, and that information is being covered up. That's an entirely reasonable and plausible theory, 9/11 DID represent a catastrophic failure as it pertains to the Intelligence Community. HOWEVER, this congresspersons own words contradict the "Inside Job" theory. He indicates that he, like most sane people, believes that Atta and the others were the hijackers of 9/11. He not once, NOT ONCE, implicates the Government in carrying out 9/11, only that they are covering up the Intelligence Failures that unwittingly allowed it to happen.

[Patriot911]

Damn Todd! You stole my thunder! MO is so hell bent on whining about this guy that he doesn't even realize it means he is supporting the official story, just a cover up on Able Danger. :roll:

[Patriot911]

psholtz wrote: Patriot911 wrote: Mighty Oak wrote: Patriot911 wrote: How is this new news? Curt Weldon has been at this for years.

What I want to know is what story do you believe? Curt Weldon's, the governments, or the conspiracy theories? Maybe you should go back and read the 1st post.Are high this morning?You don't seem to be your normal self.

I just want to know which story you believe. You seem to believe multiple stories and I just want to nail down which one you believe.
You realize that the government has already come up w/ 5 conflicting explanations of why WTC7 fell... if you believe the government lie, then by definition it's *you* who believe multiple stories.. :wink:

See, this is where 9/11 deniers show just how ignorant they are. They find one theory on one thing and never change their mind on anything even though other theories they believe contradict the first theory.

When a normal sane person changes what they believe as new information comes along, it blows the 9/11 deniers' minds because to them it now appears we believe in multiple stories. Their little hard wired brains are incapable of understanding the concept of changing a theory based on the facts that come in. Since they only believe the "facts" that back up their theories and ignore all other facts that discredit their theory, the concept of altering the theory based on new facts is totally foreign to them. In their minds, why alter a theory when in their mind all the facts fit the theory? Denial is such a wonderful concept to them. Makes life so much easier when you don't have to think. ;-)