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programmusic
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ToonArmyIsComing
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| Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2006 11:07 pm Post subject: |
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| It seems both the IDF and Hezbollah did not greatly care about the consequences of cluster bombs when they used them. As I have often said, NO ONE in the Middle East can claim the higher moral ground. |
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Venom
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| Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 12:30 am Post subject: |
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Quote: It seems both the IDF and Hezbollah did not greatly care about the consequences of cluster bombs when they used them. As I have often said, NO ONE in the Middle East can claim the higher moral ground.
Hmmm blindly shooting into cities, or attempting to hit a real target. Yeah I guess both the IDF and Hezbollah are on the same level.... :roll:
Seriously how can you believe this? |
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slitedeviance
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| Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 11:39 am Post subject: |
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Venom wrote: Quote: It seems both the IDF and Hezbollah did not greatly care about the consequences of cluster bombs when they used them. As I have often said, NO ONE in the Middle East can claim the higher moral ground.
Hmmm blindly shooting into cities, or attempting to hit a real target. Yeah I guess both the IDF and Hezbollah are on the same level.... :roll:
Seriously how can you believe this?
Gee I don't know.
Is Israel responsible for the deaths of innocent civilians?
Is Hizbollah responsible for the deaths of innocent civilians?
Hmmmm.... |
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programmusic
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| Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 12:27 pm Post subject: |
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Israel was trying NOT to kill civilians
Hezbollah was trying to kill as many civilians as possible |
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Ellron
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| Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 12:29 pm Post subject: |
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programmusic wrote: Israel was trying NOT to kill civilians
Hezbollah was trying to kill as many civilians as possible
They say they try..
But they obviously dont try to hard since there are much more civilian deaths on the other side. |
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programmusic
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| Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 12:35 pm Post subject: |
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| The only way to eliminate the civilian deaths would be to not fight hezbollah. As Hezbollah are militants one minute, civilians the next. |
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slitedeviance
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| Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 1:15 pm Post subject: |
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programmusic wrote: Israel was trying NOT to kill civilians
Didn't say they were. Just that they are responsible for civilian deaths. |
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agentkgb
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| Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 3:37 pm Post subject: |
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ToonArmyIsComing wrote: It seems both the IDF and Hezbollah did not greatly care about the consequences of cluster bombs when they used them. As I have often said, NO ONE in the Middle East can claim the higher moral ground.
No militant group can. |
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SpartanPhalanx
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| Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 9:22 pm Post subject: |
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programmusic wrote: Israel was trying NOT to kill civilians
Hezbollah was trying to kill as many civilians as possible
Just because YOU say Israel doesn't intend on killing civilians doesn't mean it's fact. Just means you are a willing consumer of Zionist propaganda, nothing more.
1300 people died in Lebanon during July and August, some in convoys trying to flee Israeli bombardment, many in their homes, many more didn't have a chance.
During the final 48 hours of the war, when a cease-fire had been agreed by all parties, Israel launched a million rounds of cluster munitions. Since, at that stage of the war, no military advantage could be conceived by launching such a munition, the only possible motive would be to kill and maim as many civilians as possible.
Save your propaganda for your own people my friend, anyone with a reasonable amount of intelliegence can see right through you. |
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lilwolf
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| Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 9:24 pm Post subject: |
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| Well that gives an entirely different perspective to the so called good hezbollah group and it might even show just what kind of butchers they really are...... :lol: This is so good it hurts :rotf: |
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slitedeviance
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| Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2006 4:32 am Post subject: |
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lilwolf wrote: Well that gives an entirely different perspective to the so called good hezbollah group and it might even show just what kind of butchers they really are...... :lol: This is so good it hurts :rotf:
Sorry dude but how? We already know that Hizbollah had no issue with firing munitions into Israeli cities. The only new thing is revealing that it was cluster munitions....
How does that make them butchers when you have so vehemently defended Israels use of these type of weapons? Care to explain? |
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Plato & Socrates
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| Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2006 5:14 am Post subject: |
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programmusic wrote: Israel was trying NOT to kill civilians
Hezbollah was trying to kill as many civilians as possible
With both protagonists swimming in, neck high in a cess-pit full of s**t. No side comes out smelling of Roses. The difference is pro-Israeli's, no one on the pro-Palestinian side, will call Hezbollahs behaviour anything but what it was. Which is the immoral and deliberate targeting of civilians. I can give you many a reason for Hezbollahs belief and reasons why they felt compelled to launch these despicable attacks. But for me personally they just don't cut it.
Neither would I believe them justified and under any circumstances would I condone such behaviour. |
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programmusic
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| Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2006 9:52 am Post subject: |
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| you're right, and no one on the pro israeli side will call what the I.D.F. did the immoral and deliberate targeting of civilians, because most of them have been in the IDF, or know people who have. And no that the IDF doesn't do that. |
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bunny
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| Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2006 9:59 am Post subject: |
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programmusic wrote: you're right, and no one on the pro israeli side will call what the I.D.F. did the immoral and deliberate targeting of civilians, because most of them have been in the IDF, or know people who have. And no that the IDF doesn't do that.
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poor form. how can anyone agree with the israeli tactics in this recent conflict is besides me... pathetic. |
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superskippy
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| Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2006 12:54 pm Post subject: |
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| Well obviously they look far more deeply then you do. |
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slitedeviance
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| Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2006 1:20 pm Post subject: |
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superskippy wrote: Well obviously they look far more deeply then you do.
...or just possibly approach it from another perspective... |
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Venom
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| Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2006 4:11 pm Post subject: |
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Quote: Gee I don't know.
Is Israel responsible for the deaths of innocent civilians?
Is Hizbollah responsible for the deaths of innocent civilians?
Hmmmm....
Hezbollah - targeting civilians on the pupose of spreading as much terror as they can....
Israel - using precision weapons, calling off airstrikes, giving warnings, and attempting to kill the people that are rocketing Isreal while keeping civilian deaths to a minimum...
Not the same thing.... |
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agentkgb
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| Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2006 4:20 pm Post subject: |
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Venom wrote: Quote: Gee I don't know.
Is Israel responsible for the deaths of innocent civilians?
Is Hizbollah responsible for the deaths of innocent civilians?
Hmmmm....
Hezbollah - targeting civilians on the pupose of spreading as much terror as they can....
Israel - using precision weapons, calling off airstrikes, giving warnings, and attempting to kill the people that are rocketing Isreal while keeping civilian deaths to a minimum...
Using cluster bombs, bombing evacuating caravans after they give the warning, preventing aid from getting through... |
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ALi*
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| Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2006 5:14 pm Post subject: |
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to the poster of this topic:
so now u do care abt what human rights watch say??
The terrible toll of the Israel - Lebanon conflict on civilians: ongoing human rights abuses and violations of international humanitarian law http://hrw.org/english/docs/2006/08/10/lebano13955.htm
Lebanon: Israeli Cluster Munitions Threaten Civilians http://hrw.org/english/docs/2006/08/17/lebano14026.htm
Letter to National Security Advisor Hadley on Requested U.S. Cluster Munition Transfer to Israel http://hrw.org/english/docs/2006/08/11/israb13972.htm
Indiscriminate Bombardment http://hrw.org/english/docs/2006/08/22/lebano14061.htm
Convention on Conventional Weapons (CCW): Events in Lebanon show that cluster munitions pose unacceptable dangers to civilians http://hrw.org/english/docs/2006/08/28/global14076.htm |
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