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zero18 · Joined: 13 Dec 2004 Posts: 6961 Location: Illinois

Why was my thread locked? :?

http://www.politicalcrossfire.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=67805&highlight=

FCTE · Joined: 11 Mar 2004 Posts: 18180 Location: Illinois

Blanket statement, against the rules. You cannot condemn an entire demographic.

mODULAR mAN · Joined: 13 Oct 2006 Posts: 852 Location: censored

I was going to post to it.

From what I understand, this is a common feeling among many Classic Conservatives.
In fact, even as a Liberal, I sympathize. The discussions used to be quite meaningful and interesting. Lately it is all about "If you're not with us you're a traitor!"

It is a wierd mix of Imperialism, Patriotism and Christianity. I get the impression that if the NeoCons had their way, the flag would have a picture of a Stealth bomber, Jesus, and the American flag.

It's like they've branded America, rather than enter into an honest discussion about the social experiment we started an mere 230 years ago.

Now, before I'm branded! I admit Liberals have been at fault, too. But I honestly believe I can back up my claim that NeoCon values have dominated the political landscape and have framed every debate for the last 6-9 years.

cap'n queasy · Joined: 15 May 2004 Posts: 34968

Quote: I get the impression that if the NeoCons had their way, the flag would have a picture of a Stealth bomber, Jesus, and the American flag.

I get the impression that comments like that are the reason it's locked.

It's a ridiculously low mentality characterization.

zero18 · Joined: 13 Dec 2004 Posts: 6961 Location: Illinois

FCTE wrote: Blanket statement, against the rules. You cannot condemn an entire demographic.

Are you kidding me? I see it everyday on this site.

zero18 · Joined: 13 Dec 2004 Posts: 6961 Location: Illinois

cap'n queasy wrote: Quote: I get the impression that if the NeoCons had their way, the flag would have a picture of a Stealth bomber, Jesus, and the American flag.

I get the impression that comments like that are the reason it's locked.

It's a ridiculously low mentality characterization.

And where did I make a statement that was anything close to that?

FCTE · Joined: 11 Mar 2004 Posts: 18180 Location: Illinois

zero18 wrote: FCTE wrote: Blanket statement, against the rules. You cannot condemn an entire demographic.

Are you kidding me? I see it everyday on this site.

Then report it. Don't take it as a green light to make one of your own.

zero18 · Joined: 13 Dec 2004 Posts: 6961 Location: Illinois

This is what the forum rules say about threads:

Article-based thread criteria. Articles posted to start a topic must be accompanied by a source and a substantive opinion, otherwise it will be deleted. Substantive opinions present an obvious stance with respect to the article and are not unarguable opinions like, "This is interesting." The opinion should create a solid basis for debate.

I gave a substantive opinion, and it has generated debate so far.

Now if you guys want an article I'll post an article related to what I'm talking about. However that doesn't seem to be the problem because the only reason I've been given is "there are plenty of intellectual conservatives today". :roll:

FCTE · Joined: 11 Mar 2004 Posts: 18180 Location: Illinois

zero18 wrote: This is what the forum rules say about threads:

Article-based thread criteria. Articles posted to start a topic must be accompanied by a source and a substantive opinion, otherwise it will be deleted. Substantive opinions present an obvious stance with respect to the article and are not unarguable opinions like, "This is interesting." The opinion should create a solid basis for debate.

I gave a substantive opinion, and it has generated debate so far.

Now if you guys want an article I'll post an article related to what I'm talking about. However that doesn't seem to be the problem because the only reason I've been given is "there are plenty of intellectual conservatives today". :roll:

It's still a blanket statement thread. You cannot make threads condemning an entire demographic.

zero18 · Joined: 13 Dec 2004 Posts: 6961 Location: Illinois

FCTE wrote: zero18 wrote: This is what the forum rules say about threads:

Article-based thread criteria. Articles posted to start a topic must be accompanied by a source and a substantive opinion, otherwise it will be deleted. Substantive opinions present an obvious stance with respect to the article and are not unarguable opinions like, "This is interesting." The opinion should create a solid basis for debate.

I gave a substantive opinion, and it has generated debate so far.

Now if you guys want an article I'll post an article related to what I'm talking about. However that doesn't seem to be the problem because the only reason I've been given is "there are plenty of intellectual conservatives today". :roll:

It's still a blanket statement thread. You cannot make threads condemning an entire demographic.

May I ask you to refer me to where it says you cannot "condemn an entire demographic"? That seems to me such a broad rule that can apply to almost any thread.

FCTE · Joined: 11 Mar 2004 Posts: 18180 Location: Illinois

zero18 wrote: May I ask you to refer me to where it says you cannot "condemn an entire demographic"?

I refer to you the administration of this site.

Quote: That seems to me such a broad rule that can apply to almost any thread.

Not really, you don't condemn an entire group of people with blanket statements. Quite simple really.

Ragnar Danneskjold · Joined: 11 Oct 2005 Posts: 2628 Location: Mulligan's Valley

All current bush admin support the war in iraq.

^true blANKET statement

Ellron · Joined: 06 Sep 2005 Posts: 2152 Location: NY upstate

How is that a blanket statement?

He asked a question.

Then there was a debate.

Which there was until a mod decided to lock it.

Thrilla · Joined: 23 May 2005 Posts: 19058 Location: Sin City

Im coming in late on this subject.. but after reading the post.. i feel like the OP engaged in denigrating the whole of Conservatives by insinuating intelligent conservatives dont exist.
the very next poster picked up on this "vibe" as well... as evident by the immediate trolling

the post could have been worded better if this was not the desired effect.

as it stands .. i'm with Gus on this one

zero18 · Joined: 13 Dec 2004 Posts: 6961 Location: Illinois

FCTE wrote: zero18 wrote: May I ask you to refer me to where it says you cannot "condemn an entire demographic"?

I refer to you the administration of this site.

Quote: That seems to me such a broad rule that can apply to almost any thread.

Not really, you don't condemn an entire group of people with blanket statements. Quite simple really.

So you admit that this claim about "blanket statements" is not actually written in the forum rules. I have to refer to the administration to find out what the rules are. :roll:

zero18 · Joined: 13 Dec 2004 Posts: 6961 Location: Illinois

Thrilla wrote: Im coming in late on this subject.. but after reading the post.. i feel like the OP engaged in denigrating the whole of Conservatives by insinuating intelligent conservatives dont exist.
the very next poster picked up on this "vibe" as well... as evident by the immediate trolling

the post could have been worded better if this was not the desired effect.

as it stands .. i'm with Gus on this one

I said intellectual, not intelligent.

Cincaid · Joined: 13 May 2004 Posts: 2222 Location: MD

zero18 wrote: So you admit that this claim about "blanket statements" is not actually written in the forum rules. I have to refer to the administration to find out what the rules are. :roll:

Taken from the forum rules here

Extremist/Racist Posts
To maintain the status quo of the board, there are rules that must be observed so that members do not abuse each other in their passion for their issue or ideology. One of these rules regards Extremist Rhetoric. Blanket statements condemning an entire demographic will not be tolerated. Threads posted for such reasons will be locked. A blatant post directed at a selected group for faults they cannot help, (I.E. Religious beliefs, Physical, Mental, Color, etc...) will probably result in being banned from the site. Furthermore, derogatory comments will be subject to edit or removal by an Administrator or Moderator as they see fit to do so. Threads based on such posts will be locked.

zero18 · Joined: 13 Dec 2004 Posts: 6961 Location: Illinois

Cincaid wrote: zero18 wrote: So you admit that this claim about "blanket statements" is not actually written in the forum rules. I have to refer to the administration to find out what the rules are. :roll:

Taken from the forum rules here

Extremist/Racist Posts
To maintain the status quo of the board, there are rules that must be observed so that members do not abuse each other in their passion for their issue or ideology. One of these rules regards Extremist Rhetoric. Blanket statements condemning an entire demographic will not be tolerated. Threads posted for such reasons will be locked. A blatant post directed at a selected group for faults they cannot help, (I.E. Religious beliefs, Physical, Mental, Color, etc...) will probably result in being banned from the site. Furthermore, derogatory comments will be subject to edit or removal by an Administrator or Moderator as they see fit to do so. Threads based on such posts will be locked.

Obviously that refers to extremist and racist posts. I would hardly call what I said "extremist".

I did not condemn conservatism itself. In a way I consider myself a conservative, but I do condemn what conservatism has become and I make that clear in the thread.

mODULAR mAN · Joined: 13 Oct 2006 Posts: 852 Location: censored

cap'n queasy wrote: Quote: I get the impression that if the NeoCons had their way, the flag would have a picture of a Stealth bomber, Jesus, and the American flag.

I get the impression that comments like that are the reason it's locked.

It's a ridiculously low mentality characterization.

Well, as with all my "ridiculous" comments, I can back them up with erudite and sensible precedent - if you want to press me on it.

However, I think you can admit there is a congealing of Patriotism and Religiosity (specifically Xian Fundamentalism) along with the PNAC goal of Nation building that exists today.

Considering that PNAC IS the source of NeoCon ideaology, and their "guru", Leo Strauss, is well known for supporting religion - not because he believes in it, but because the Gov't can use it to manipulate the masses, I'm not far out on the limb.

So, we have the NeoCon ideology, based in the philosophy of Leo Strauss, which includes the manipulation of the public by religion. We have George Bush and his band of PNAC advisors (do I need to list them, or do you know their names?) who used Fundamentalist/Evangelicals to get into power, and support a Nation Building war.

And they tied it all into "if you're not with us, you're against us" Patriotism.

What do you have?

Jesus, the Military and Uncle Sam.

Gdawg007 · Joined: 06 Jul 2004 Posts: 13927 Location: Albuquerque, NM

zero18 wrote: Cincaid wrote: zero18 wrote: So you admit that this claim about "blanket statements" is not actually written in the forum rules. I have to refer to the administration to find out what the rules are. :roll:

Taken from the forum rules here

Extremist/Racist Posts
To maintain the status quo of the board, there are rules that must be observed so that members do not abuse each other in their passion for their issue or ideology. One of these rules regards Extremist Rhetoric. Blanket statements condemning an entire demographic will not be tolerated. Threads posted for such reasons will be locked. A blatant post directed at a selected group for faults they cannot help, (I.E. Religious beliefs, Physical, Mental, Color, etc...) will probably result in being banned from the site. Furthermore, derogatory comments will be subject to edit or removal by an Administrator or Moderator as they see fit to do so. Threads based on such posts will be locked.

Obviously that refers to extremist and racist posts. I would hardly call what I said "extremist".

I did not condemn conservatism itself. In a way I consider myself a conservative, but I do condemn what conservatism has become and I make that clear in the thread.

No, it doesn't. We lock threads that blanket ANY demographic. In your case, your thread asked the question where had all the intellectual conservatives gone. Obviously, not EVERY conservative is non-intellectual. If you want to ask a more specific question about conservatives that's fine, but you generalized and the thread was locked.