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[Patriarch]

Apparently 1/3 of Americans are have lost their minds. They feel that the our own government had something to do with 9-11. They actually think that Dick Cheney or George W. Bush were in some ways behind the attacks. Even though Osama and Al Qaeda have claimed responsibility numerous times they still doubt it. I mean how more obvious could they make it?

This rhetoric is outrages and reckless. It defames everyone who died on Sept. 11. It degrades our troops who are out there fighting Islamo Fascism as we speak. Liberals in this countries have actually convince people that the Bush admin. and America in general are so evil that they decided to kill 3,000 Americans for political gain. How dumb are these people?

How do these "conspiracy theorists" account for the bombings of the Colbert towers, the Bombings of the U.S. Embassies in Africa, The bombing of the USS coal, Countless Al Qaeda attacks in Iraq/Afghanistan. Was that Bush as well? Was that American assisted too?

They're are conspiracy theories for everything. Like the moon landings were fake. Or how FDR ordered Pearl Harbor so America could enter WW2. Dumb people come along and try to convince other dumb people using baseless facts, circumstantial evidence, and just hunches.

This is why I now agree with Sean Hannity when he says we need to defeat Liberalism. I used to think he was going to far but when I see Libs blaming our own Govt. for 9-11 that is too far.

http://www.scrippsnews.com/911poll

[micfranklin]

I'm pretty sure OBL and the al-Qaeda were responsible for it, but then there are some details our own government has yet to tell us.

[jeechoscopy]

To make the whole century for America they had to take some hard steps.

The conspiracy about Osama is that he is working for American agenda.

I'm sure this way the century would be the American property.


This is the only policy that have made America degrated all over the world.

It's hard to say that I still, love your country... because of the conditions...

[PheelGoodInc]

wrong forum, but welcome.

[leftneckredwing]

Don't start conspiracy theory topics in P & G.

[CatStevens]

Patriarch wrote: though Osama and Al Qaeda have claimed responsibility numerous times they still doubt it. I mean how more obvious could they make it?



http://edition.cnn.com/2001/US/09/16/inv.binladen.denial/index.html

Bin Laden says he wasn't behind attacks

DOHA, Qatar (CNN) -- Islamic militant leader Osama bin Laden, the man the United States considers the prime suspect in last week's terrorist attacks on New York and Washington, denied any role Sunday in the actions believed to have killed thousands.

In a statement issued to the Arabic satellite channel Al Jazeera, based in Qatar, bin Laden said, "The U.S. government has consistently blamed me for being behind every occasion its enemies attack it.

"I would like to assure the world that I did not plan the recent attacks, which seems to have been planned by people for personal reasons," bin Laden's statement said.

"I have been living in the Islamic emirate of Afghanistan and following its leaders' rules. The current leader does not allow me to exercise such operations," bin Laden said.

Asked Sunday if he believed bin Laden's denial, President Bush said, "No question he is the prime suspect. No question about that."

Since Tuesday's terrorist attacks against the United States, Bush has repeatedly threatened to strike out against terrorism and any nation that supports or harbors its disciples.

Bin Laden, a wealthy Saudi-born exile, has lived in Afghanistan for several years. U.S. officials blame him for earlier strikes on U.S. targets, including last year's attack on the USS Cole in Yemen and the bombings of the U.S. embassies in Tanzania and Kenya in 1998.

Bin Laden's campaign stems from the 1990 decision by Saudi Arabia to allow U.S. troops into the kingdom after the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait -- a military presence that has become permanent.

In a 1997 CNN interview, bin Laden called the U.S. military presence an "occupation of the land of the holy places."

Immediately after the attacks that demolished the World Trade Center's landmark twin towers and seriously damaged the Pentagon, officials of Afghanistan's ruling Taliban said they doubted bin Laden could have been involved in carrying out the actions.

The Taliban -- the fundamentalist Islamic militia that seized power in Afghanistan in 1996 -- denied his ties to terrorism and said they have taken away all his means of communication with the outside world.

The repressive Taliban regime has received almost universal condemnation, particularly for their harsh treatment of women. Only three countries, including Pakistan, recognize them as the country's rightful government.

A high-level Pakistani delegation was set to travel to Afghanistan on Monday to urge Taliban supreme leader Mullah Mohammed Omar to hand over bin Laden, CNN learned Sunday.

The Taliban, which controls more than 90 percent of the country, has threatened any neighboring country that allows its soil to be used to help the United States stage an attack on Afghanistan.





Our own government has not indicted Bin Laden in the attacks.

http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/topten/fugitives/laden.htm

[CatStevens]

Patriarch wrote: This is why I now agree with Sean Hannity when he says we need to defeat Liberalism.


I loved that last paragraph. Maybe you think all the liberals, US citizens, should be LOCKED UP?

[agentkgb]

CatStevens wrote: Our own government has not indicted Bin Laden in the attacks.

http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/topten/fugitives/laden.htm
That is weird, the FBI page on 9/11 doesn't mention bin Laden.
I think al-Qaeda did it though. There's certainly a lot the government hasn't explained but I doubt it was responsible.

[Rhoades]

Basically OBL is a part of the government since he is CIA. So it was the government.

[Patriarch]

agentkgb wrote: CatStevens wrote: Our own government has not indicted Bin Laden in the attacks.

http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/topten/fugitives/laden.htm
That is weird, the FBI page on 9/11 doesn't mention bin Laden.
I think al-Qaeda did it though. There's certainly a lot the government hasn't explained but I doubt it was responsible.

What have they not explained?

[mODULAR mAN]

Certainly, Saddam Hussein had NOTHING to do with it.

However, while I think UBL and AQ did it, it was in response to US policies and actions; not done in a vaccuum.

I'm not apologizing for them, but I also don't think you arrogantly dismiss the actions of an imperialistic super power - no matter how noble you think its intentions are.

[Patriarch]

Rhoades wrote: Basically OBL is a part of the government since he is CIA. So it was the government.

He received brief CIA training in the '80s so he could defeat the invading Soviets. This was done by your aviators picture of Regan... However Osama is not in the CIA... Any more smart ones?

[Snake]

CatStevens wrote: Maybe you think all the liberals, US citizens, should be LOCKED UP? hmmmm, no just the idiots who think the government f*cked up its own department of defense and stock market, but not a bad idea imo.

[Patriarch]

CatStevens wrote: Patriarch wrote: though Osama and Al Qaeda have claimed responsibility numerous times they still doubt it. I mean how more obvious could they make it?



http://edition.cnn.com/2001/US/09/16/inv.binladen.denial/index.html

Bin Laden says he wasn't behind attacks

DOHA, Qatar (CNN) -- Islamic militant leader Osama bin Laden, the man the United States considers the prime suspect in last week's terrorist attacks on New York and Washington, denied any role Sunday in the actions believed to have killed thousands.

In a statement issued to the Arabic satellite channel Al Jazeera, based in Qatar, bin Laden said, "The U.S. government has consistently blamed me for being behind every occasion its enemies attack it.

"I would like to assure the world that I did not plan the recent attacks, which seems to have been planned by people for personal reasons," bin Laden's statement said.

"I have been living in the Islamic emirate of Afghanistan and following its leaders' rules. The current leader does not allow me to exercise such operations," bin Laden said.

Asked Sunday if he believed bin Laden's denial, President Bush said, "No question he is the prime suspect. No question about that."

Since Tuesday's terrorist attacks against the United States, Bush has repeatedly threatened to strike out against terrorism and any nation that supports or harbors its disciples.

Bin Laden, a wealthy Saudi-born exile, has lived in Afghanistan for several years. U.S. officials blame him for earlier strikes on U.S. targets, including last year's attack on the USS Cole in Yemen and the bombings of the U.S. embassies in Tanzania and Kenya in 1998.

Bin Laden's campaign stems from the 1990 decision by Saudi Arabia to allow U.S. troops into the kingdom after the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait -- a military presence that has become permanent.

In a 1997 CNN interview, bin Laden called the U.S. military presence an "occupation of the land of the holy places."

Immediately after the attacks that demolished the World Trade Center's landmark twin towers and seriously damaged the Pentagon, officials of Afghanistan's ruling Taliban said they doubted bin Laden could have been involved in carrying out the actions.

The Taliban -- the fundamentalist Islamic militia that seized power in Afghanistan in 1996 -- denied his ties to terrorism and said they have taken away all his means of communication with the outside world.

The repressive Taliban regime has received almost universal condemnation, particularly for their harsh treatment of women. Only three countries, including Pakistan, recognize them as the country's rightful government.

A high-level Pakistani delegation was set to travel to Afghanistan on Monday to urge Taliban supreme leader Mullah Mohammed Omar to hand over bin Laden, CNN learned Sunday.

The Taliban, which controls more than 90 percent of the country, has threatened any neighboring country that allows its soil to be used to help the United States stage an attack on Afghanistan.





Our own government has not indicted Bin Laden in the attacks.

http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/topten/fugitives/laden.htm

I Dont think You have seen all the REAL videos of him:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6363306/

In the videotaped message, bin Laden claims full responsibility for the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks in the United States and warns Americans that “your security is not in the hands of Kerry or Bush or al-Qaida. Your security is in your own hands"

[Wizard From Oz]

Quote: agentkgb wrote:
CatStevens wrote:
Our own government has not indicted Bin Laden in the attacks.

http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/topten/fugitives/laden.htm

That is weird, the FBI page on 9/11 doesn't mention bin Laden.
I think al-Qaeda did it though. There's certainly a lot the government hasn't explained but I doubt it was responsible.


What have they not explained?

Well for mine, I think there was some intelligence failures. I believe between them, all the agencies had enough information to possibly stop the attacks. And I feel some of those agencies may have tried to hide that failure a little (or individuals with in them anyway)

[CatStevens]

Patriarch wrote: CatStevens wrote: Patriarch wrote: though Osama and Al Qaeda have claimed responsibility numerous times they still doubt it. I mean how more obvious could they make it?



http://edition.cnn.com/2001/US/09/16/inv.binladen.denial/index.html

Bin Laden says he wasn't behind attacks

DOHA, Qatar (CNN) -- Islamic militant leader Osama bin Laden, the man the United States considers the prime suspect in last week's terrorist attacks on New York and Washington, denied any role Sunday in the actions believed to have killed thousands.

In a statement issued to the Arabic satellite channel Al Jazeera, based in Qatar, bin Laden said, "The U.S. government has consistently blamed me for being behind every occasion its enemies attack it.

"I would like to assure the world that I did not plan the recent attacks, which seems to have been planned by people for personal reasons," bin Laden's statement said.

"I have been living in the Islamic emirate of Afghanistan and following its leaders' rules. The current leader does not allow me to exercise such operations," bin Laden said.

Asked Sunday if he believed bin Laden's denial, President Bush said, "No question he is the prime suspect. No question about that."

Since Tuesday's terrorist attacks against the United States, Bush has repeatedly threatened to strike out against terrorism and any nation that supports or harbors its disciples.

Bin Laden, a wealthy Saudi-born exile, has lived in Afghanistan for several years. U.S. officials blame him for earlier strikes on U.S. targets, including last year's attack on the USS Cole in Yemen and the bombings of the U.S. embassies in Tanzania and Kenya in 1998.

Bin Laden's campaign stems from the 1990 decision by Saudi Arabia to allow U.S. troops into the kingdom after the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait -- a military presence that has become permanent.

In a 1997 CNN interview, bin Laden called the U.S. military presence an "occupation of the land of the holy places."

Immediately after the attacks that demolished the World Trade Center's landmark twin towers and seriously damaged the Pentagon, officials of Afghanistan's ruling Taliban said they doubted bin Laden could have been involved in carrying out the actions.

The Taliban -- the fundamentalist Islamic militia that seized power in Afghanistan in 1996 -- denied his ties to terrorism and said they have taken away all his means of communication with the outside world.

The repressive Taliban regime has received almost universal condemnation, particularly for their harsh treatment of women. Only three countries, including Pakistan, recognize them as the country's rightful government.

A high-level Pakistani delegation was set to travel to Afghanistan on Monday to urge Taliban supreme leader Mullah Mohammed Omar to hand over bin Laden, CNN learned Sunday.

The Taliban, which controls more than 90 percent of the country, has threatened any neighboring country that allows its soil to be used to help the United States stage an attack on Afghanistan.





Our own government has not indicted Bin Laden in the attacks.

http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/topten/fugitives/laden.htm

I Dont think You have seen all the REAL videos of him:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6363306/

In the videotaped message, bin Laden claims full responsibility for the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks in the United States and warns Americans that “your security is not in the hands of Kerry or Bush or al-Qaida. Your security is in your own hands"

You believe what you want. Bin Laden died in 2001.

PS

So you believe a terrorist?

[Patriarch]

mODULAR mAN wrote: Certainly, Saddam Hussein had NOTHING to do with it.

However, while I think UBL and AQ did it, it was in response to US policies and actions; not done in a vaccuum.

I'm not apologizing for them, but I also don't think you arrogantly dismiss the actions of an imperialistic super power - no matter how noble you think its intentions are.

Please tell me what US policies provoked the killing of 3,000 Americans? Was it the Persian golf war, that saved Kuwait and Saudi Arabia? Was it the control of Iraq airspace to protect the Middle East? Was it the most involvement ever to hammer out a peace deal between the Arabs and Israelis? Please tell me which one caused Sept. 11th?

[psholtz]

Patriarch wrote: This is why I now agree with Sean Hannity when he says we need to defeat Liberalism. I used to think he was going to far but when I see Libs blaming our own Govt. for 9-11 that is too far.
Most of the people who feel this way are not "liberals", they are hard right-wing conservatives..

[Patriarch]

psholtz wrote: Patriarch wrote: This is why I now agree with Sean Hannity when he says we need to defeat Liberalism. I used to think he was going to far but when I see Libs blaming our own Govt. for 9-11 that is too far.
Most of the people who feel this way are not "liberals", they are hard right-wing conservatives..

Huh?

[mODULAR mAN]

Patriarch wrote: mODULAR mAN wrote: Certainly, Saddam Hussein had NOTHING to do with it.

However, while I think UBL and AQ did it, it was in response to US policies and actions; not done in a vaccuum.

I'm not apologizing for them, but I also don't think you arrogantly dismiss the actions of an imperialistic super power - no matter how noble you think its intentions are.

Please tell me what US policies provoked the killing of 3,000 Americans? Was it the Persian golf war, that saved Kuwait and Saudi Arabia? Was it the control of Iraq airspace to protect the Middle East? Was it the most involvement ever to hammer out a peace deal between the Arabs and Israelis? Please tell me which one caused Sept. 11th?


Quote: For a while Osama worked at the Services Office working with Abdullah Azzam on Jihad Magazine, a magazine that gave information about the war with the soviets and interviewed mujahideen. As time passed, Aymen Al Zawahiri encouraged Osama to split away from Abdullah Azzam. Osama formed his own army of mujahideen and fought the Soviets. One of his most significant battles was the battle of Jaji, which was not a major fight, but it earned him a reputation as a fighter.


Formation of al-Qaeda
By 1988, bin Laden had split from the MAK because of strategic differences. While Azzam and his MAK organization acted as support for the Afghan fighters and provided relief to refugees and injured, bin Laden wanted a more military role in which the Arab fighters would not only be trained and equipped by the organization but also be commanded on the battlefield by Arabic. One of the main leading point to the split and the creation of al-Qaeda was the insistence of Azzam that Arab fighters be integrated among the Afghan fighting groups instead of forming their separate fighting force. [20]

After Iraq invaded Kuwait in 1990, bin Laden offered to help defend Saudi Arabia (with 12,000 armed men) but was rebuffed by the Saudi government. Bin Laden publicly denounced his government's dependence on the U.S. military and demanded an end to the presence of foreign military bases in the country. According to reports (by the BBC and others), the 1990/91 deployment of U.S. troops in Saudi Arabia in connection with the Gulf War upset Muslims because the Saudi government claims legitimacy based on their role as guardians of the sacred Muslim cities of Mecca and Medina. After the Gulf War cease-fire agreement left Saddam Hussein remaining in power in Iraq, the ongoing presence of long-term bases for non-Muslim U.S. forces in Saudi Arabia continued to undermine the Saudi rulers' perceived legitimacy and inflamed anti-government Islamist militants, including bin Laden.
Bin Laden's increasingly strident criticisms of the Saudi monarchy led the government to attempt to silence him. According to the 9/11 Commission Report, "with help from a dissident member of the royal family, he managed to get out of the country under the pretext of attending an Islamic gathering in Pakistan in April 1991."[2] Hassan al-Turabi, leader of the National Islamic Front, had invited bin Laden to "transplant his whole organization to Sudan" in 1989. Bin Laden's agents had begun purchasing property in Sudan in 1990. When the Saudi government began putting pressure on him in 1991, bin Laden moved to Sudan. The Saudi government revoked his citizenship in 1994.

From wiki, but its basic info.