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[Patriot911]

Medius wrote: Patriot911 wrote:
The FBI did not release any photos until the 27th. News agencies might have obtained pictures of people they thought the hijackers might be, but they weren't the official FBI photos.

Here's my source. I was actually wrong, the date of the article was the 23rd, photos were released around the world on the 14th.

Quote: The FBI released the list of 19 suicide terrorists three days after the attacks.

The statement said that the 19 "have been identified as hijackers aboard the four airliners". Photographs and personal details were published around the world with an appeal for "information about these individuals, even though they are presumed dead".
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2001/09/23/widen23.xml

Patriot911 wrote:
Do you believe any of the hijackers are still alive?

Well that's just a silly question. Everyone that was on those planes died. In order to hijack a plane, you pretty much have to be on the plane. So no, I don't believe any of the 9/11 hijackers are still alive.

My question was how the FBI managed to get their actual photos which are generally harder to come by than their general information, especially considering their general information was completely wrong?

The flight records gave their false names, which were presumably accepted as truth as they were released. How did they get from all those fake names to all those real faces, while at the same time, not coming up with the faces that actually went with the names which would have shown the names to be fake?

I don't know all the answers to your questions. It is well known that the FBI and CIA already knew about most of these terrorists, so it would stand to reason that they would have their pictures on file from government documents such as drivers licenses and the like. Knowing the rest of the names would allow other pictures to be obtained from the same sources. You DO know your picture is on file with the DMV, right? I am not sure if records are kept of passport photos as people enter the country.

I fail to see how questions about how the FBI figured out who did what and got the hijackers' pictures proves that the government story is a complete lie as is the topic of discussion in this thread. If that is not your position, you have my apologies in advance.

[Mighty Oak]

Nobody says that the government story is a "complete" lie.It's a BIG lie.Covert operations are compartmentalized and complicated.To get to the truth we need an independed investigation.

[Patriot911]

Mighty Oak wrote: Nobody says that the government story is a "complete" lie.It's a BIG lie.Covert operations are compartmentalized and complicated.To get to the truth we need an independed investigation.

The LAST thing you want is an independant investigation. What are you going to do when the very investigation you demanded comes back and says the government by and large was right? That's right. You're going to say they're wrong and demand ANOTHER investigation. In the mean time you've just flushed every last shred of credibility you have down the drain.

[Wizard From Oz]

Quote: Nobody says that the government story is a "complete" lie.It's a BIG lie.Covert operations are compartmentalized and complicated.To get to the truth we need an independed investigation

And who do you feel comfortable with running this investigation?

[Medius]

Patriot911 wrote: Mighty Oak wrote: Nobody says that the government story is a "complete" lie.It's a BIG lie.Covert operations are compartmentalized and complicated.To get to the truth we need an independed investigation.

The LAST thing you want is an independant investigation. What are you going to do when the very investigation you demanded comes back and says the government by and large was right? That's right. You're going to say they're wrong and demand ANOTHER investigation. In the mean time you've just flushed every last shred of credibility you have down the drain.

So long as an independant panel is chosen and given full and unrestricted investigatory rights, it would end the question for a large majority of Americans.

If you pick obvious government plants (Kissenger) or refuse to provide information, it won't solve a thing.

[Mighty Oak]

Patriot911 wrote: Mighty Oak wrote: Nobody says that the government story is a "complete" lie.It's a BIG lie.Covert operations are compartmentalized and complicated.To get to the truth we need an independed investigation.

The LAST thing you want is an independant investigation. What are you going to do when the very investigation you demanded comes back and says the government by and large was right? That's right. You're going to say they're wrong and demand ANOTHER investigation. In the mean time you've just flushed every last shred of credibility you have down the drain.
No,again you are wrong.When there is an independed investigation fully open to the public there will be no question of guilt,I'm all for honesty.Honesty is a choice and I made that choice long ago,maybe you should try it.

You keep on claiming my credibility is shot,over and over and over again,in hopes that it takes hold.Right out of the Nazi propaganda book,what page is that one on?

[Patriot911]

I don't know. It is your book. I am just stating what I observe. ;-)

So what would you do if the investigation came back and said "The government is right"? Just believe them? I sincerely doubt that.

An independant investigation would prove nothing to the conspiracy crowd and just waste money.

[Mighty Oak]

MG1962 wrote: Quote: Nobody says that the government story is a "complete" lie.It's a BIG lie.Covert operations are compartmentalized and complicated.To get to the truth we need an independed investigation

And who do you feel comfortable with running this investigation? I've stated this several times before but what the hell.A truely independed panel which would be publicized(seeing as though we believe the Government to be responsable).Everyone under oathe and alone,no exeptions.

The thing is that this administration did EVERYTHING it could to prevent an investigation and then when forced by the Jersey Girls,used people that are tied to this administration,not only that but they put in charge of over seeing this panel with this man. Quote: Prof. Zelikow's area of academic expertise is the creation and maintenance of, in his words, “public myths” or “public presumptions,”
which he defines as “beliefs (1) thought to be true (although not necessarily known to be true with certainty), and (2) shared in common within the relevant political community." In his academic work and elsewhere he has taken a special interest in what he has called “‘searing’ or ‘molding’ events [that] take on ‘transcendent’ importance and, therefore, retain their power even as the experiencing generation passes from the scene. In the United States, beliefs about the formation of the nation and the Constitution remain powerful today, as do beliefs about slavery and the Civil War. World War II, Vietnam, and the civil rights struggle are more recent examples.” He has noted that “a history’s narrative power is typically linked to how readers relate to the actions of individuals in the history; if readers cannot make a connection to their own lives, then a history may fail to engage them at all” ("Thinking about Political History," Miller Center Report [Winter 1999], pp. 5-7).

So he is en expert in constructing psychologically satisfying myths and was the executive chair of the 9/11 commission.

[Mighty Oak]

Patriot911 wrote: I don't know. It is your book. I am just stating what I observe. ;-)

So what would you do if the investigation came back and said "The government is right"? Just believe them? I sincerely doubt that.

An independant investigation would prove nothing to the conspiracy crowd and just waste money. From all I believe to be the truth,I find that highly unlikely but if it is done in the open for all to see,and answer all the questions surrounding this,then I would have no choice but to except it as fact.Then we could talk about something else. :-D

[Snake]

An unpopular president trying to cover up possible neglegence. It's not new

[Wizard From Oz]

Quote: MG1962 wrote:
Nobody says that the government story is a "complete" lie.It's a BIG lie.Covert operations are compartmentalized and complicated.To get to the truth we need an independed investigation


And who do you feel comfortable with running this investigation?
I've stated this several times before but what the hell.A truely independed panel which would be publicized(seeing as though we believe the Government to be responsable).Everyone under oathe and alone,no exeptions.


Hey it is a pretty simple question - Who would run the investigation? And tell me what an independent panel would be anyway. Conspiracy people blame the government, the media, big business, academics for the cover up. Dont exactly leave anyone else does it.

[Patriot911]

MG1962 wrote: Quote: MG1962 wrote:
Nobody says that the government story is a "complete" lie.It's a BIG lie.Covert operations are compartmentalized and complicated.To get to the truth we need an independed investigation


And who do you feel comfortable with running this investigation?
I've stated this several times before but what the hell.A truely independed panel which would be publicized(seeing as though we believe the Government to be responsable).Everyone under oathe and alone,no exeptions.


Hey it is a pretty simple question - Who would run the investigation? And tell me what an independent panel would be anyway. Conspiracy people blame the government, the media, big business, academics for the cover up. Dont exactly leave anyone else does it.

My guess would be Alex Jones with Greg Syzmanski as co-chair. :rofl:

Steven Jones would be the technical expert to validate all other testimony from "experts". If he doesn't know or doesn't believe them for any reason, it gets thrown out.