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[jamesp]

5 years later..

I guess some haven't progressed much..

die hard conspiracy theorists

Wasn't it John Kerry who stated..

"IF 911 happened under my watch I would have gathered my staff into the War Room".

Even elitist extraordanaire John Kerry understands what happened on 911...

[Mighty Oak]

jamesp wrote: 5 years later..

I guess some haven't progressed much..

die hard conspiracy theorists

Wasn't it John Kerry who stated..

"IF 911 happened under my watch I would have gathered my staff into the War Room".

Even elitist extraordanaire John Kerry understands what happened on 911... For those of us who have done the research know that there is very little difference between the two parties.

[Geolibertarian]

jamesp wrote: 5 years later..

I guess some haven't progressed much..

die hard conspiracy theorists

Wasn't it John Kerry who stated..

"IF 911 happened under my watch I would have gathered my staff into the War Room".

Even elitist extraordanaire John Kerry understands what happened on 911...
Yawn. Save it for the Republican choir. Your blind faith in the official story is now the minority view. Deal with it.


Todd

[Free Thinkr]

Geolibertarian wrote: jamesp wrote: 5 years later..

I guess some haven't progressed much..

die hard conspiracy theorists

Wasn't it John Kerry who stated..

"IF 911 happened under my watch I would have gathered my staff into the War Room".

Even elitist extraordanaire John Kerry understands what happened on 911...
Yawn. Save it for the Republican choir. Your blind faith in the official story is now the minority view. Deal with it.


Todd
Actually, that's an outright lie. Just because a majority believe the government may be hiding something, does not somehow mean the majority disagree with the 'official' version (you know, the version that the entire f***ing nation saw play out on live television). BTW, it's nice to see you conspiracy theorists have given up trying to make a point at all, and have instead shifted to a reliance on argumentum ad populum.

[Patriot911]

Polls are for sheep. People who believe polls are the same people who will believe those who interpret what the polls mean without thinking about it. Do most people think the government hasn't told them everything? I believe so. I know I believe this. Does this somehow translate into me believing the government is lying about what happened? No. Idiots who say otherwise are just that.... idiots.

[Mighty Oak]

Patriot911 wrote: Polls are for sheep. People who believe polls are the same people who will believe those who interpret what the polls mean without thinking about it. Do most people think the government hasn't told them everything? I believe so. I know I believe this. Does this somehow translate into me believing the government is lying about what happened? No. Idiots who say otherwise are just that.... idiots. When all else fails resort to insults,what page is that on in the little book of how to conduct yourself in a forum?

[Todd D.]

Geolibertarian wrote: jamesp wrote: 5 years later..

I guess some haven't progressed much..

die hard conspiracy theorists

Wasn't it John Kerry who stated..

"IF 911 happened under my watch I would have gathered my staff into the War Room".

Even elitist extraordanaire John Kerry understands what happened on 911...
Yawn. Save it for the Republican choir. Your blind faith in the official story is now the minority view. Deal with it.


Todd
So? First of all, even IF the poll concluded that a majority of Americans believe the US Government was behind 9/11 (which, oh by the way, it does not), what would that prove? Nothing. Truth is not relative to the amount of people that believe it, just look at the Intelligent Design debate. 99.9999% of people could believe that I am African American, but that wouldn't make it so, would it?

Polls can be indicative of stupidity just as easily as they can be indicative of fact. They are not "proof" in any sense of the word.

[Patriot911]

Mighty Oak wrote: Patriot911 wrote: Polls are for sheep. People who believe polls are the same people who will believe those who interpret what the polls mean without thinking about it. Do most people think the government hasn't told them everything? I believe so. I know I believe this. Does this somehow translate into me believing the government is lying about what happened? No. Idiots who say otherwise are just that.... idiots. When all else fails resort to insults,what page is that on in the little book of how to conduct yourself in a forum?

I don't know. I haven't read your book. ;-) You're just pissy because I already showed how you tried to spin this poll into your own lie. I think the term is sore loser...... :lol:

[Mighty Oak]

Patriot911 wrote: Mighty Oak wrote: Patriot911 wrote: Polls are for sheep. People who believe polls are the same people who will believe those who interpret what the polls mean without thinking about it. Do most people think the government hasn't told them everything? I believe so. I know I believe this. Does this somehow translate into me believing the government is lying about what happened? No. Idiots who say otherwise are just that.... idiots. When all else fails resort to insults,what page is that on in the little book of how to conduct yourself in a forum?

I don't know. I haven't read your book. ;-) You're just pissy because I already showed how you tried to spin this poll into your own lie. I think the term is sore loser...... :lol: I know you want to look good in front of your bosses,after all,your job is on the line. :lol:

[psholtz]

jamesp wrote: 5 years later..

I guess some haven't progressed much..

die hard conspiracy theorists

Wasn't it John Kerry who stated..

"IF 911 happened under my watch I would have gathered my staff into the War Room".

Even elitist extraordanaire John Kerry understands what happened on 911...
John Kerry is part of the problem..

[Geolibertarian]

Free Thinkr wrote: Geolibertarian wrote: jamesp wrote: 5 years later..

I guess some haven't progressed much..

die hard conspiracy theorists

Wasn't it John Kerry who stated..

"IF 911 happened under my watch I would have gathered my staff into the War Room".

Even elitist extraordanaire John Kerry understands what happened on 911...
Yawn. Save it for the Republican choir. Your blind faith in the official story is now the minority view. Deal with it.

Todd
Actually, that's an outright lie.
No, the official story is an outright lie, and you should be ashamed of yourself for blinding defending it.

Quote: Just because a majority believe the government may be hiding something, does not somehow mean the majority disagree with the 'official' version
If the majority agree with it, then why were only 16 percent of poll respondents willing to say that the government is "telling the truth" about 9/11? I never said the majority entirely disbelieve every aspect of the official story, but that the majority no longer have the "blind faith" (my exact words) that people like yourself seem to have. Big difference.

Quote: (you know, the version that the entire f***ing nation saw play out on live television).
When you can get your knee to stop jerking, perhaps you can explain why physics professor Steven Jones' analysis of that "version" is incorrect.

http://www.wtc7.net/articles/stevenjones_b7.html

Or is invoking the term "conspiracy theory" your only means of debate?

Todd

[Patriot911]

Mighty Oak wrote: Patriot911 wrote: Mighty Oak wrote: Patriot911 wrote: Polls are for sheep. People who believe polls are the same people who will believe those who interpret what the polls mean without thinking about it. Do most people think the government hasn't told them everything? I believe so. I know I believe this. Does this somehow translate into me believing the government is lying about what happened? No. Idiots who say otherwise are just that.... idiots. When all else fails resort to insults,what page is that on in the little book of how to conduct yourself in a forum?

I don't know. I haven't read your book. ;-) You're just pissy because I already showed how you tried to spin this poll into your own lie. I think the term is sore loser...... :lol: I know you want to look good in front of your bosses,after all,your job is on the line. :lol:

Nice troll post. Thanks for proving you have nothing in your book other than trolling and are incapable of debating the subject at hand. ;-)

[Patriot911]

Geolibertarian wrote: Free Thinkr wrote: Geolibertarian wrote: jamesp wrote: 5 years later..

I guess some haven't progressed much..

die hard conspiracy theorists

Wasn't it John Kerry who stated..

"IF 911 happened under my watch I would have gathered my staff into the War Room".

Even elitist extraordanaire John Kerry understands what happened on 911...
Yawn. Save it for the Republican choir. Your blind faith in the official story is now the minority view. Deal with it.

Todd
Actually, that's an outright lie.
No, the official story is an outright lie, and you should be ashamed of yourself for blinding defending it.

Quote: Just because a majority believe the government may be hiding something, does not somehow mean the majority disagree with the 'official' version
If the majority agree with it, then why were only 16 percent of poll respondents willing to say that the government is "telling the truth" about 9/11? I never said the majority entirely disbelieve every aspect of the official story, but that the majority no longer have the "blind faith" (my exact words) that people like yourself seem to have. Big difference.

Quote: (you know, the version that the entire f***ing nation saw play out on live television).
When you can get your knee to stop jerking, perhaps you can explain why physics professor Steven Jones' analysis of that "version" is incorrect.

http://www.wtc7.net/articles/stevenjones_b7.html

Or is invoking the term "conspiracy theory" your only means of debate?

Todd

Tell me. Why do you claim a site that knowingly lies is somehow more trustworthy than the government story? You mock others by falsely claiming they blindly defend the official theory while you yourself blindly follow known liars.

Now, unlike you (you have no actual proof the official story is an outright lie), I can actually prove that your site lies. After a quick glance at your site, I found it uses one of the oldest lies even though it has been debunked LONG ago in a way that even the most jaded conspiracy theorist agrees with.

Geolibertarian's trusted source for the truth wrote: Six of the alleged suicide hijackers turned up alive after the attack -- a fact that the 9/11 Commission failed to even acknowledge.

Was it reported by the BBC and numerous papers in the Middle East? Yes. Is it true? No. Lets look at the facts:

Numerous reports of hijackers being alive surfaced after the FBI released the names of the hijackers shortly after 9/11, but not a single report of hijackers being alive has surfaced from any paper past September 27th.

Why? Why did the reports stop after the 27th? Why hasn't a single hijacker come forward since then? Why didn't the 9/11 commission investigate this?

Simple. Because everyone, INCLUDING the conspiracy sites, knows it was all a mistake. Its just that the conspiracy sites (being completely dishonest) wish to keep up every single lie in the hopes some fool (such as yourself) will actually believe them if they give them enough information even if it is false.

On September 27th, 2001, the FBI came out with the PICTURES of the 19 hijackers. Once the people who claimed to be the hijackers didn't match the pictures, it was obvious to everyone that the claims of hijackers being alive was a false one.

Think about it. If six of the hijackers were still alive, why hasn't someone gone out and found one of them? Alex Jones would go from being a crackpot sensationalist to the reporter of the century on par with Woodward and Bernstein. Yet they aren't even trying. Why not? Because they KNOW it is a lie. They KNOW they would be wasting their time and their money. Yet they keep telling you this lie because they know you will swallow everything they send your way because you are gullible to the extreme.

[Medius]

Actually, the photos were released to the press and such before the 23rd. None of the hijackers matched the photos released, however, CNN did accidentally show a real photo of one of the living men. It was not the same photo released to journalists however.

I do have to say that I'm wondering where the FBI got their photos. I mean, if the identities they published were false, how did they get real pictures of each of the hijackers? They obviously didn't search their records for existing photos, since doing this would have caused them to release the erroneous photo that CNN had found doing the same.

While it is certainly clear that the hijackers pictured are not the ones the media found, it does bring up a lot of questions as to the investigation by the FBI.

[Patriot911]

Medius wrote: Actually, the photos were released to the press and such before the 23rd. None of the hijackers matched the photos released, however, CNN did accidentally show a real photo of one of the living men. It was not the same photo released to journalists however.

I do have to say that I'm wondering where the FBI got their photos. I mean, if the identities they published were false, how did they get real pictures of each of the hijackers? They obviously didn't search their records for existing photos, since doing this would have caused them to release the erroneous photo that CNN had found doing the same.

While it is certainly clear that the hijackers pictured are not the ones the media found, it does bring up a lot of questions as to the investigation by the FBI.

The FBI did not release any photos until the 27th. News agencies might have obtained pictures of people they thought the hijackers might be, but they weren't the official FBI photos.

Do you believe any of the hijackers are still alive?

[Snake]

jamesp wrote: Wasn't it John Kerry who stated..
"IF 911 happened under my watch I would have gathered my staff into the War Room". John Kerry is a worthless windbag that has nothing better to do than brag about going to 'Nam. You know what? Lots of people went to Veitnam, that doesn't make them presidential material.

[The Newb]

Kamel wrote: jamesp wrote: Wasn't it John Kerry who stated..
"IF 911 happened under my watch I would have gathered my staff into the War Room". John Kerry is a worthless windbag that has nothing better to do than brag about going to 'Nam. You know what? Lots of people went to Veitnam, that doesn't make them presidential material.

but he was still in uniform when he turned his back on the military and the war that he "volunteered" for so in his idea of gov you must be a lieing turncoat to qualify

[Snake]

And a bland stiff board that lacks any personality whatsoever

[Medius]

Patriot911 wrote:
The FBI did not release any photos until the 27th. News agencies might have obtained pictures of people they thought the hijackers might be, but they weren't the official FBI photos.

Here's my source. I was actually wrong, the date of the article was the 23rd, photos were released around the world on the 14th.

Quote: The FBI released the list of 19 suicide terrorists three days after the attacks.

The statement said that the 19 "have been identified as hijackers aboard the four airliners". Photographs and personal details were published around the world with an appeal for "information about these individuals, even though they are presumed dead".
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2001/09/23/widen23.xml

Patriot911 wrote:
Do you believe any of the hijackers are still alive?

Well that's just a silly question. Everyone that was on those planes died. In order to hijack a plane, you pretty much have to be on the plane. So no, I don't believe any of the 9/11 hijackers are still alive.

My question was how the FBI managed to get their actual photos which are generally harder to come by than their general information, especially considering their general information was completely wrong?

The flight records gave their false names, which were presumably accepted as truth as they were released. How did they get from all those fake names to all those real faces, while at the same time, not coming up with the faces that actually went with the names which would have shown the names to be fake?

[The Newb]

Kamel wrote: And a bland stiff board that lacks any personality whatsoever :rotf: