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Venom · Joined: 06 Sep 2006 Posts: 807

I'm curious of all the people that are anti-Israel, US, etc... what wars have you supported in the past? Of course include what side of the war you supported.
We'll go as far back as WW 2. I support WW 2, the Allies side, and for the reason that they were attempting to stop the spread of Nazis and their allies.

agentkgb · Joined: 23 Aug 2006 Posts: 2241 Location: US

Supported actively or agree with now? I wasn't alive at the time of WW2, for instance, so I didn't support it but I do agree now that it is good the Nazis do not control all Europe.
Also, do you mean support the outcome of the war or the things done in it to win? I would not, for instance, support the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki because I think they did more harm than good ans were not necessary to achieve the outcome that I agree with (stopping the Nazis).
Sorry my post is confusing btw, I can't think of better ways to phrase it.

MG1962 · Joined: 18 Aug 2006 Posts: 9766 Location: Sydney

Interesting question, and depends how obscure you wish to get.

Off the top of my head - the Afghan intervention - Supporting the allies. The NATO action in Serbia.

I have supported Israel anytime she has been the defender, the Yon Kippur war and such

I supported Vietnam's invasion of Cambodia.

East Timor, during her invasion, and hence Australia during the liberation.

Oh and Desert Storm - supporting the allies

Botswana during her difficulties with South Africa.

On the whole I generally support the defending side. There are exceptions, as you can see with above.

Venom · Joined: 06 Sep 2006 Posts: 807

Agentkgb
So you agree with WW 2 but just on the basis of fighting the Nazi's? What about the Japanese? You are against the two atomic bombs being used and your reason is being that it didn't really affect the Nazi military. The problem is the atomic bombs had nothing to do with the Nazi's and had everything to do with the Japanese.

I don't mean supporting the outcome I mean just did you support the war. You apparently supported the Allies vs the Nazis in WW 2 (but maybe not against the Japanese).

lilwolf · Joined: 15 Jun 2006 Posts: 12156 Location: idaho

OMG... I had to support everything from 1970 to 1998 while I was in the service...I had no choice.

Now days the Afghanistan situation as well as the Iraq thing...I do not like it but I support the troops and I do not seperate the two.

MG1962 · Joined: 18 Aug 2006 Posts: 9766 Location: Sydney

Quote: Now days the Afghanistan situation as well as the Iraq thing...I do not like it but I support the troops and I do not seperate the two.

I think it is possible to do - especially if it is a conflict your country is not directly involved in.

Example Chad and Lybia fought a war in the late 70's - I cant say I supported either side, or knew enough about the issues to decide anyway. It didn't stop me hoping that the boys from both sides made it home safe.

I think often people are too quick to connect soldiers with the actions of their government - I understand your reasons, but many people with no motivation seem to want to do it.

Undoubtedly their are soldiers in Iraq who dont support the war, but this opinion is over ridden by their sense of duty to their squad mates and to their country.

I sometimes wish that to become a leader of a country, you have to have seen active duty first. Then politicans can understand the job they give their troops to do

Venom · Joined: 06 Sep 2006 Posts: 807

Quote: I sometimes wish that to become a leader of a country, you have to have seen active duty first. Then politicans can understand the job they give their troops to do
I do like that an don't at the same time. One reason of liking it is the experience, however a reason against it they may be to heistant to use force.
I support Iraq.
I support Afghan.
I support Korea and Vietnam.
I support WW 2.
I support all the wars the IDF had to fight against the Arab nations trying to destroy it.

MG1962 · Joined: 18 Aug 2006 Posts: 9766 Location: Sydney

Well take Iraq for instance - The US forces have done everything asked of them. However the same troops are now being asked to perform roles no solider should have to.

They are being asked to be policemen, diplomats, detectives, cultural experts.

A politican with real combat experience would understand the difficulty the troops are being placed in, and persue different statagies to help stablise and rebuild the country after the troops had done their job.

slitedeviance · Joined: 02 Sep 2006 Posts: 1507

Venom wrote:
I support Iraq.
I support Afghan.
I support Korea and Vietnam.
I support WW 2.
I support all the wars the IDF had to fight against the Arab nations trying to destroy it.

Why? Just interested because I'd say theres some very different ground covered by the conflicts (although I guess with Iraq / Afgahn and Korea / Vietname they have the whole "OMG!!! A terrorist / communist. We must fight!" bogeyman feel).

Korimyr the Rat · Joined: 11 Jan 2006 Posts: 983 Location: Wyoming

I tend to be opposed to wars-- with the exception of Afghanistan-- until it's too late to not go, and then I support them until the bitter end. Most of the American wars fought in my lifetime-- indeed, since WW2-- have been exercises in foolishness which we stood nothing to gain from... but an American war ain't over until the Americans have won it, dammit.

Vithraldor · Joined: 19 Oct 2006 Posts: 30 Location: The Right Place

Desert Storm, Operation Iraqi Freedom, and WWII are my major contributions.

slitedeviance · Joined: 02 Sep 2006 Posts: 1507

Vithraldor wrote: Operation Iraqi Freedom

Wow, it's been a while since I've heard anyone refer to it in that way...

The Comrade · Joined: 16 Jul 2006 Posts: 11675 Location: Zagreb

the american revolution. world war one. world war two. the coldwar.

agentkgb · Joined: 23 Aug 2006 Posts: 2241 Location: US

Venom wrote: Agentkgb
So you agree with WW 2 but just on the basis of fighting the Nazi's? What about the Japanese? You are against the two atomic bombs being used and your reason is being that it didn't really affect the Nazi military. The problem is the atomic bombs had nothing to do with the Nazi's and had everything to do with the Japanese.

I don't mean supporting the outcome I mean just did you support the war. You apparently supported the Allies vs the Nazis in WW 2 (but maybe not against the Japanese).
I didn't mean to give any specifics about what I supported or didn't, I was just trying to explain my question.

Saracen · Joined: 01 Dec 2005 Posts: 15682 Location: On Earth

-The war that the first Muslims fought against the onslaught of the Qureysh.

-The defense of Jerusalem from the Crusaders.

In modern times,

-The defense of Palestine from the Israeli invasion in 1948.

-The war in Somalia against the terrorist secular warlords who were killing and maiming people, including children.

Other than that, I opposed war. I oppose Darfur's genocide. I oppose the Iraq war. I oppose Israel's aggressions. I oppose the Afghan war. I opposed every single war from the beginning of mankind. While war may be an inevitable fact of life, it must stop.

bunny · Joined: 14 Oct 2006 Posts: 584

Well, I gotta be honest... I was kinda rooting for Hezbollah in the recent conflict after it became evident that Israel was throwing a temper tantrum & attacking civilians with disproportionate force..

Other than that, I have been rooting against the USA in Iraq from the beginning..

The Comrade · Joined: 16 Jul 2006 Posts: 11675 Location: Zagreb

bunny wrote: Well, I gotta be honest... I was kinda rooting for Hezbollah in the recent conflict after it became evident that Israel was throwing a temper tantrum & attacking civilians with disproportionate force..

Other than that, I have been rooting against the USA in Iraq from the beginning..

by rooting against the united states in iraq, you're voting for sectarian violence.

i guess you're into beheadings?

Saracen · Joined: 01 Dec 2005 Posts: 15682 Location: On Earth

The Comrade wrote: by rooting against the united states in iraq, you're voting for sectarian violence.

Even though the U.S. is the cause of sectarian violence?

The Comrade · Joined: 16 Jul 2006 Posts: 11675 Location: Zagreb

Saracen wrote:
Even though the U.S. is the cause of sectarian violence?

who said it wasn't?

my point is that rooting against america, while siding with iraqi insurgents is only supporting iraqi deaths.

40 iraqis are dying a day and i can tell you with certainty that it isn't american soldiers doing the killing.

bunny · Joined: 14 Oct 2006 Posts: 584

The Comrade wrote:

by rooting against the united states in iraq, you're voting for sectarian violence.

i guess you're into beheadings?

wtf, no I'm not... please don't put words in my mouth.

btw, there would be no sectarian violence in Iraq if the USA never invaded & occupied the country under illegitimate reasons, which is why I rooted against them in the first place.

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