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[Gitana]

Quote: Do you think that what someone believes will change reality?

BTW...I like your avatar..my wife is Andalusian and has a little Gitana in her.

I do believe that, yes; and I'm pretty sure the way we each view reality is probably quite different. But then, all the different flavors of the world are what makes life worth living....would be quite dull were we all the same. :)

Your wife has a little gitana in her? Is she expecting? :-D (kidding)

Andalusian and gypsy - that's an interesting mix. Don't make her mad. LOL

[John]

Quote: Your wife has a little gitana in her? Is she expecting?

Yes. And Yes.



Quote: Andalusian and gypsy - that's an interesting mix. Don't make her mad.

Tell me about it. :lol:


Quote: I do believe that, yes; and I'm pretty sure the way we each view reality is probably quite different. But then, all the different flavors of the world are what makes life worth living....would be quite dull were we all the same.

So, could you explain to me how believe could change reality?

[Gitana]

Congratulations are in order! And here I just thought I was just being pun-ny. :wink: Wishing you both a happy, healthy little one.

To answer your question: I believe reality (as we perceive/understand it) is entirely made up of energy, is completely synergetic (not quite the word I want, but ie, everything has an effect on everything else) ...

Energy can be manipulated to one degree or another. Our thoughts are reality as valid as the chair you are sitting on. It has been demonstrated, for example, that a group praying/meditating/concentrating can alter the chemistry of water in a jar on a particulate level...and the intent of that praying/meditating/concentrating energy alters it differently according to the intent (positive/negative). This is viewed as magick by some, but it's basis is hard science that is not completely understood yet.

If you are heading down the path to the debate of whether or not a god or Great Architect/intelligence of some sort created all this, I can't answer that; no one knows....and we for now must content ourselves with either what we choose to believe in (what suits our individual makeup), or leave the question unanswered and remain open to more information in the future. I'm fine with the latter option, as I have seen (so far, anyway) no evidence of the existence of gods of any kind. :)

A good example might be your own belief; unless you have been an unquestioning believer since you can remember, your awakening to your current belief level has almost certainly changed your reality and affected your life. I'd make book on it. The difference in our perspectives is that you might credit that change to God, whereas I would assign it to the change within your own consciousness which would change your perception of things.

[cap'n queasy]

You've seen that shlockumentary "What the bleep do we know"?

Do you believe that Native Americans couldn't see Pizarro's ship too?

No offense, but that film is patently ridiculous, it contains hundreds of factual inaccuracies and misreprentations.

The universe is very different from how we perceive it, that's for sure. You could could it most resembles a "digital simulation" on a quantum level but that in no way means the human mind can manipulate the underlying energy field we call reality.

There's no way to "override" what we term reality.

BTW you might be interested in a thread called
"Wherefore existence" in the philosophy thread.

It's pretty cool, lot's of interesting theories, and I explain my idea of what the universe "is". I think you might find it interesting and quite different from what you may expect from someone who follows the belief system I do.

I would reproduce it here, but it is way to long to type out again. :-D

[Gitana]

There have been thousands of examples and tests regarding energy affecting matter; that was offered as a commonly-known one. If you wish to discredit it, that fine, we'll remove that one from consideration. :) But you get my general idea.

I'll try to get to the other thread you mention later today; off & running at the moment. Have a good morning.

[greeneye]

cap'n queasy wrote: There's no way to "override" what we term reality.


Consciousness seems to override our reality. And currently, that's one of the areas that science has yet to really understand.

[greeneye]

cap'n queasy wrote: There's no way to "override" what we term reality.


Man's consciousness seems to override our reality. And currently, that's one of the areas that science has yet to really understand.

[eynon]

:( my post earlier got totally ignored.........I thought it was a good one too........ 8:)

[cap'n queasy]

greeneye wrote: cap'n queasy wrote: There's no way to "override" what we term reality.


Man's consciousness seems to override our reality. And currently, that's one of the areas that science has yet to really understand.

Key word there is "seems".

[eynon]

cap'n queasy wrote: greeneye wrote: cap'n queasy wrote: There's no way to "override" what we term reality.


Man's consciousness seems to override our reality. And currently, that's one of the areas that science has yet to really understand.

Key word there is "seems".

in my experience the ability to dictate our own realities stems mainly from the fact we live in liberal first-world nations.........most of those I've lived with in developing countries seem to hold an unflinching view of the dark/reality of our world.

[cap'n queasy]

Gitana wrote: There have been thousands of examples and tests regarding energy affecting matter; that was offered as a commonly-known one. If you wish to discredit it, that fine, we'll remove that one from consideration. :) But you get my general idea.

I'll try to get to the other thread you mention later today; off & running at the moment. Have a good morning.

Sure energy effects matter. But the only matter that the energy in your brain affects is the grey matter between your ears.

[cap'n queasy]

eynon wrote: cap'n queasy wrote: greeneye wrote: cap'n queasy wrote: There's no way to "override" what we term reality.


Man's consciousness seems to override our reality. And currently, that's one of the areas that science has yet to really understand.

Key word there is "seems".

in my experience the ability to dictate our own realities stems mainly from the fact we live in liberal first-world nations.........most of those I've lived with in developing countries seem to hold an unflinching view of the dark/reality of our world.

:lol: Yes, that is a good point.

[eynon]

cap'n queasy wrote: Gitana wrote: There have been thousands of examples and tests regarding energy affecting matter; that was offered as a commonly-known one. If you wish to discredit it, that fine, we'll remove that one from consideration. :) But you get my general idea.

I'll try to get to the other thread you mention later today; off & running at the moment. Have a good morning.

Sure energy effects matter. But the only matter that the energy in your brain affects is the grey matter between your ears.
(to continue my earlier post)
their are limits.......my uncle's a child therapist for the state of California(he's see some bad stuff), he's developed an interesting definition of P.T.S.D.: "Too much reality at one time".........


(btw, saw "Flags of Our Fathers" last night.......a think the experience of those marines kinda runs along those lines, no more grey matter defenses)

[cap'n queasy]

eynon wrote: cap'n queasy wrote: Gitana wrote: There have been thousands of examples and tests regarding energy affecting matter; that was offered as a commonly-known one. If you wish to discredit it, that fine, we'll remove that one from consideration. :) But you get my general idea.

I'll try to get to the other thread you mention later today; off & running at the moment. Have a good morning.

Sure energy effects matter. But the only matter that the energy in your brain affects is the grey matter between your ears.
(to continue my earlier post)
their are limits.......my uncle's a child therapist for the state of California(he's see some bad stuff), he's developed an interesting definition of P.T.S.D.: "Too much reality at one time".........


(btw, saw "Flags of Our Fathers" last night.......a think the experience of those marines kinda runs along those lines, no more grey matter defenses)

Well, I think that disorder probably is a function of the unrealistic expectations of a person with a great amount of protection from the harsh realities of existence being shattered. It's a culturally induced disorder, like anorexia nervosa.

Our modern culture has done a good job of trying to hide what existence really is from it's children.

BTW I want to catch that flick. Was it good?

[eynon]

cap'n queasy wrote: eynon wrote: cap'n queasy wrote: Gitana wrote: There have been thousands of examples and tests regarding energy affecting matter; that was offered as a commonly-known one. If you wish to discredit it, that fine, we'll remove that one from consideration. :) But you get my general idea.

I'll try to get to the other thread you mention later today; off & running at the moment. Have a good morning.

Sure energy effects matter. But the only matter that the energy in your brain affects is the grey matter between your ears.
(to continue my earlier post)
their are limits.......my uncle's a child therapist for the state of California(he's see some bad stuff), he's developed an interesting definition of P.T.S.D.: "Too much reality at one time".........


(btw, saw "Flags of Our Fathers" last night.......a think the experience of those marines kinda runs along those lines, no more grey matter defenses)

Well, I think that disorder probably is a function of the unrealistic expectations of a person with a great amount of protection from the harsh realities of existence being shattered. It's a culturally induced disorder, like anorexia nervosa.

Our modern culture has done a good job of trying to hide what existence really is from it's children.

BTW I want to catch that flick. Was it good?

You'd like it........Eastwood can make a movie.......not a real upper though :cry:

[cap'n queasy]

I'm a big Eastwood fan.

[eynon]

cap'n queasy wrote: I'm a big Eastwood fan.


:tu:


btw........it's like a Cap'n/Eynon forum right now.........don't you sleep? :)

[cap'n queasy]

eynon wrote: cap'n queasy wrote: I'm a big Eastwood fan.


:tu:


btw........it's like a Cap'n/Eynon forum right now.........don't you sleep? :)

Not much.

[eynon]

cap'n queasy wrote: eynon wrote: cap'n queasy wrote: I'm a big Eastwood fan.


:tu:


btw........it's like a Cap'n/Eynon forum right now.........don't you sleep? :)

Not much.

sorry man.....been there :(

[cap'n queasy]

eynon wrote: cap'n queasy wrote: eynon wrote: cap'n queasy wrote: I'm a big Eastwood fan.


:tu:


btw........it's like a Cap'n/Eynon forum right now.........don't you sleep? :)

Not much.

sorry man.....been there :(

Nothing to be sorry about. It doesn't bother me at all. :-D