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[cap'n queasy]

Quote: Spinoza-centric

:lol:

[Duchifas]

cap'n queasy wrote: Quote: a radical revision of a national history, and genuine mass acceptance thereof forever, could not be pulled on anyone, and has never been pulled on anyone.

Well, at least not until modern times. :lol: It's pretty common the last few decades I would say. :lol:

Nah. What is common is attempts to do that. Those have always been around, like in Soviet Union, Nazi Germany, etc. But as far as I know, there have not been any successful ones.

The very notion that a whole nation would sheepishly disregard everything that they have known and been brought up with to embrace a radically different version of history is absurd. Yet, that is pretty much what Nathyn is claiming (without any evidence to back up his absurd claims).

[cap'n queasy]

Duchifas wrote: cap'n queasy wrote: Quote: a radical revision of a national history, and genuine mass acceptance thereof forever, could not be pulled on anyone, and has never been pulled on anyone.

Well, at least not until modern times. :lol: It's pretty common the last few decades I would say. :lol:

Nah. What is common is attempts to do that. Those have always been around, like in Soviet Union, Nazi Germany, etc. But as far as I know, there have not been any successful ones.

The very notion that a whole nation would sheepishly disregard everything that they have known and been brought up with to embrace a radically different version of history is absurd. Yet, that is pretty much what Nathyn is claiming (without any evidence to back up his absurd claims).

Good point.

[psholtz]

Duchifas wrote: The very notion that a whole nation would sheepishly disregard everything that they have known and been brought up with to embrace a radically different version of history is absurd.
uuuuummmmmmmmmmmmm......

Have you taken a good look around the United States recently? :shifty:

[Duchifas]

psholtz wrote: Duchifas wrote: The very notion that a whole nation would sheepishly disregard everything that they have known and been brought up with to embrace a radically different version of history is absurd.
uuuuummmmmmmmmmmmm......

Have you taken a good look around the United States recently? :shifty:

Yes. Looks fine to me.

[psholtz]

Duchifas wrote: psholtz wrote: Duchifas wrote: The very notion that a whole nation would sheepishly disregard everything that they have known and been brought up with to embrace a radically different version of history is absurd.
uuuuummmmmmmmmmmmm......

Have you taken a good look around the United States recently? :shifty:

Yes. Looks fine to me.
I'm hardly surprised..

Yet the fact remains that to anyone who's bothered to read:

* Declaration of Independence
* U.S. Constitution (up to and including the first Ten Amendments)
* Federalist Papers (<- esp important read, esp those by Madison)
* Anti-Federalist Papers

cannot help but come to the extremely obvious conclusion that an entire nation (America) has sheepishly disregarded everything in their own history and have been brought up to embrace a radically different version of history than the one that actually represents their heritage.

In almost complete contradiction to what you tried to say...

But carry on.. :-D

[Duchifas]

psholtz wrote: But carry on.. :-D

Will do.

To briefly address your post: you are claiming, at most, that America is disregarding and misinterpreting the values that it was founded on. To some extent, I agree, and I am as pissed about it as you are. That is not, however, relevant to the discussion I am having with Nathyn. Nathyn's claim is that at some point in Jewish history, someone "somehow" radically changed the history known by the people up to then into the history contained in Genesis, Exodus, etc....and then the nation wholeheartedly accepted its new history en masse, despite knowing full well that the real history was far different.

That's a ridiculous claim (to put it mildly). To claim that America is disregarding its founding values, as embodied in the Declaration of Independence, Constitution, papers, is one thing, and to an extent it is a perfectly plausible claim. However, to claim that the Constitution was actually written at some point by some scholars during the FDR presidency and then accepted en masse by Americans as if it was written 200 years earlier....that's quite another claim alltogether. Yet, that's pretty much what Nathyn is claiming happened to the Jews. See, because Jews didn't have cell phones back then, they must have been gullible enough to accept anything. :lol:

[psholtz]

Duchifas wrote: To briefly address your post: you are claiming, at most, that America is disregarding and misinterpreting the values that it was founded on. To some extent, I agree, and I am as pissed about it as you are. That is not, however, relevant to the discussion I am having with Nathyn.
Oh. :shifty:

Quote: Nathyn's claim is that at some point in Jewish history, someone "somehow" radically changed the history known by the people up to then into the history contained in Genesis, Exodus, etc....and then the nation wholeheartedly accepted its new history en masse, despite knowing full well that the real history was far different.
That's not *entirely* implausible, given the whole Yahwist-Elohim-Priestly breakdown of the Pentatuch, is it?

Quote: That's a ridiculous claim (to put it mildly). To claim that America is disregarding its founding values, as embodied in the Declaration of Independence, Constitution, papers, is one thing, and to an extent it is a perfectly plausible claim. However, to claim that the Constitution was actually written at some point by some scholars during the FDR presidency and then accepted en masse by Americans as if it was written 200 years earlier....that's quite another claim alltogether.
There are those who claim that's precisely what happened with the (original) Thirteenth Amendment.. (although it was the Republican Reconstructionists, following Lincoln's assassination, who allegedly perpetrated the dastardly deed, rather than FDR)..

The lack of cell phones *could* be a key factor in both these conspiracies, I agree..

[Duchifas]

psholtz wrote: Duchifas wrote: To briefly address your post: you are claiming, at most, that America is disregarding and misinterpreting the values that it was founded on. To some extent, I agree, and I am as pissed about it as you are. That is not, however, relevant to the discussion I am having with Nathyn.
Oh. :shifty:

Quote: Nathyn's claim is that at some point in Jewish history, someone "somehow" radically changed the history known by the people up to then into the history contained in Genesis, Exodus, etc....and then the nation wholeheartedly accepted its new history en masse, despite knowing full well that the real history was far different.
That's not *entirely* implausible, given the whole Yahwist-Elohim-Priestly breakdown of the Pentatuch, is it?

It is ENTIRELY implausible, for reasons that you refused to discuss in the past, for example, here:

http://politicalcrossfire.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=44433&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=20

Duchifas wrote: psholtz wrote: I'm sure that to the Egyptians, Amen-Ra is a faithful king as well.. Well, after several attempts it is clear that you don't want to engage in any meaningful discussion of the subject. And quite understandably so. The Bible Criticism theory of which you are a proponent, doesn't hold up to any serious examination, as clearly outlined in the source. So if you want to pretend that drawing parallels between Amenhotep and amen is a serious examination of the subject, you'll have to do it without me.

If I see something serious discussion, I will gladly join, but for now -- see ya.


Quote: Quote: That's a ridiculous claim (to put it mildly). To claim that America is disregarding its founding values, as embodied in the Declaration of Independence, Constitution, papers, is one thing, and to an extent it is a perfectly plausible claim. However, to claim that the Constitution was actually written at some point by some scholars during the FDR presidency and then accepted en masse by Americans as if it was written 200 years earlier....that's quite another claim alltogether.
There are those who claim that's precisely what happened with the (original) Thirteenth Amendment.. (although it was the Republican Reconstructionists, following Lincoln's assassination, who allegedly perpetrated the dastardly deed, rather than FDR)..

The lack of cell phones *could* be a key factor in both these conspiracies, I agree..

"There are those who claim" anything.

[psholtz]

Duchifas wrote: psholtz wrote: Duchifas wrote: To briefly address your post: you are claiming, at most, that America is disregarding and misinterpreting the values that it was founded on. To some extent, I agree, and I am as pissed about it as you are. That is not, however, relevant to the discussion I am having with Nathyn.
Oh. :shifty:

Quote: Nathyn's claim is that at some point in Jewish history, someone "somehow" radically changed the history known by the people up to then into the history contained in Genesis, Exodus, etc....and then the nation wholeheartedly accepted its new history en masse, despite knowing full well that the real history was far different.
That's not *entirely* implausible, given the whole Yahwist-Elohim-Priestly breakdown of the Pentatuch, is it?

It is ENTIRELY implausible, for reasons that you refused to discuss in the past, for example, here:

http://politicalcrossfire.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=44433&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=20

Duchifas wrote: psholtz wrote: I'm sure that to the Egyptians, Amen-Ra is a faithful king as well.. Well, after several attempts it is clear that you don't want to engage in any meaningful discussion of the subject. And quite understandably so. The Bible Criticism theory of which you are a proponent, doesn't hold up to any serious examination, as clearly outlined in the source. So if you want to pretend that drawing parallels between Amenhotep and amen is a serious examination of the subject, you'll have to do it without me.

If I see something serious discussion, I will gladly join, but for now -- see ya.
Seems to me like you're the one refusing to debate here, my friend.. :lol:

I was just going on about how Amen-Ra was a "faithful" king to the Egyptians..

Of course, Amen-Ra is neither here nor there in terms of the Y-E-P breakdown of the Pentatuch..

Quote: Quote: Quote: That's a ridiculous claim (to put it mildly). To claim that America is disregarding its founding values, as embodied in the Declaration of Independence, Constitution, papers, is one thing, and to an extent it is a perfectly plausible claim. However, to claim that the Constitution was actually written at some point by some scholars during the FDR presidency and then accepted en masse by Americans as if it was written 200 years earlier....that's quite another claim alltogether.
There are those who claim that's precisely what happened with the (original) Thirteenth Amendment.. (although it was the Republican Reconstructionists, following Lincoln's assassination, who allegedly perpetrated the dastardly deed, rather than FDR)..

The lack of cell phones *could* be a key factor in both these conspiracies, I agree..

"There are those who claim" anything.
Oh believe me, I know the type! :lol:

[Nathyn]

Duchifas, psholtz supports Holocaust denial and advocates rather stereotypical anti-semitic conspiracy theories: there's a "Zionist lobby," which dominates American politics, Zionist Neocons (all of the Jewish White House officials) control the United States government, Jewish bankers control the central banks (the Rothschilds), 9/11 was perpetrated by Zionist Jews (remember the two Israelis supposedly dancing and laughing around the WTC on 9/11?), etc.. Needless to say, debating with him is a waste of your time.

















Or...

..am I...

...just saying that...

...because your mind-controlling Jew-waves are making me post this?

Must fight... .. it...

You god damn money-grubbing shapeshifting alien lizards! You won't get away with this!

If it's the last thing I ever do, I will never stop valiantly posting on this forum until the conspiracy is unraveled and the public sees the truth!

[psholtz]

Nathyn wrote: Duchifas, psholtz supports Holocaust denial and advocates rather stereotypical anti-semitic conspiracy theories
Correction, I support Holocaust Truth..

Big difference there..

Quote: there's a "Zionist lobby," which dominates American politics, Zionist Neocons (all of the Jewish White House officials) control the United States government, Jewish bankers control the central banks (the Rothschilds), etc..
It's not clear to me that Zionists are Jews, and it's not clear to me that Jews control much of anything.

[Duchifas]

psholtz wrote: Of course, Amen-Ra is neither here nor there in terms of the Y-E-P breakdown of the Pentatuch..

No kiddin? :roll:

Nathyn wrote: Needless to say, debating with him is a waste of your time.

Well, like everything in life, it has plenty comedic value.