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programmusic · Joined: 22 Apr 2006 Posts: 908

no, the IDF did not shoot two kids for throwing rocks. It was an individual soldier. Not the IDF.

bunny · Joined: 14 Oct 2006 Posts: 584

programmusic wrote: no, the IDF did not shoot two kids for throwing rocks. It was an individual soldier. Not the IDF.

grasping at straws... pathetic.

it's amazing what people will say to sanction the killing of children

The Comrade · Joined: 16 Jul 2006 Posts: 10541 Location: Zagreb

bunny wrote: programmusic wrote: no, the IDF did not shoot two kids for throwing rocks. It was an individual soldier. Not the IDF.

grasping at straws... pathetic.

it's amazing what people will say to sanction the killing of children

it's better then your assbackwards approach of "if one soldier does it means they all do"

bunny · Joined: 14 Oct 2006 Posts: 584

The Comrade wrote: bunny wrote: programmusic wrote: no, the IDF did not shoot two kids for throwing rocks. It was an individual soldier. Not the IDF.

grasping at straws... pathetic.

it's amazing what people will say to sanction the killing of children

it's better then your assbackwards approach of "if one soldier does it means they all do"

I'm sorry, but i never said that...

speaking of assbackwards, you seem to getting things wrong in multiple threads. having a bad week, or are you always this wrong?

slitedeviance · Joined: 02 Sep 2006 Posts: 1507

programmusic wrote: no, the IDF did not shoot two kids for throwing rocks. It was an individual soldier. Not the IDF.

I have no issue with reducing this issue to a single soldier provided in the future any attacks carried out by militants are viewed as such rather than as a representative view of Hamas.

Plato & Socrates · Joined: 24 Dec 2005 Posts: 1743 Location: London

Moscowmatt wrote: Oh deary me. So you've been to Uganda big deal. That somehow makes you more qualified on a subject than anyone else. Hey I've lived in the Middle East does that mean as a result of that I know more about it than you and my opinion is always right over yours?! By your logic erm yes!!!

Utter rubbish, do you need a reminder of what you said concerning African child soldiers? "If Palestinian children are going to embark on adult acts i.e violence strapping bombs to themselves (and this HAS happened) then they should expect an adult response. Like I say how would you deal with the child soldiers in Africa murdering their way through the local population? 'Oh we can't kill them, their kids"

Considering we are talking about the callous actions of the IDF, shooting to death some Palestinian stone throwers. I see why you went off on some nonsensical tangent, regarding African child soldiers. Nobody is debating whether a Palestinian child has not previously strapped a bomb to themselves, and in these unfortunate incidences, show me an example on this forum where a pro-Palestinian has condemned the IDF for taking that childes life, under those circumstances? Secondly a child soldier is just that a soldier of a young age, with fire arm and munitions. Please don't equate child soldier with fire arm to Palestinian child stone thrower = Both should be engaged with deadly force.

You seem to be missing the point. Justifying the death of a Palestinian child strapped with explosives, does'nt evolve to your next warped conclusion, to the justifiable infanticide of child rock throwers. This seems to be the logic you are offering.

Quote: With regards to shooting protesters at G8 summits. That's a whole different scenario. Logic, remember how important that is now! Dictates that in it's context that is all it is a protest.These people will not go on to murder those at the G8 or blow themselves up. Palestine is a very different kettle of fish. But if you must make ridiculous analogies does that then mean I can throw stones at the police if I don't want them to be there? By YOUR logic I have the right to do that!!!!

This shows your views are even more disturbing than I thought. The more somebody attempts to justify the unjustifiable with a intellectual argument. The quicker the stance begins to disintegrate. Context? O.K lets travel down your line of reasoning. You some how surmise that protesters in your own words "will not go on to murder those at the G8 or blow themselves up"

What am I to make of your sentence? Are you saying that protesters throwing rocks or other devices, don't need to be shot dead, because in the future they wont kill future members of G8 or blow themselves up. But Palestinian stone throwers invariably in older age, progress to becoming murders and suicide bombers? So killing these little blighters now is pre-emptive? So it has very Little to do for you with the stone throwing itself, but who's throwing the stones? The streets of London, a stone thrown and no action to kill should be taken. But a stone thrown in Palestine = death by bullet? :lol: Oh pleaase. :roll:

Quote: It's always poor Palestinians with you isn't it. Well you know what I agreed, up until the point when they elected a TERRORIST organisation to govern their country. One that is the main barricade between the peace that their own president wants!!

So the sins of the father, is bought upon the child for you is it? :roll: The last time I looked, no child in Palestine had the vote. Hamas has 2 wings. Military and political. The people of Palestine voted for the political wing, because Fatah was corrupt and did'nt enhance the lives of the ordinary Palestinian.

Quote: The cycle of violence can only end when Palestine renounces terrorism, people like you just don't get what will happen if we let the terrorists win!

How about when Israel pulls out of the occupied territory's and stops trying to rule it whilst a minority in the land?
Maybe the cycle of violence might end then?

programmusic · Joined: 22 Apr 2006 Posts: 908

slitedeviance wrote: programmusic wrote: no, the IDF did not shoot two kids for throwing rocks. It was an individual soldier. Not the IDF.

I have no issue with reducing this issue to a single soldier provided in the future any attacks carried out by militants are viewed as such rather than as a representative view of Hamas.

now that would be a terrible analogy. As suicide bombings are the view of hamas and are ordered by Hamas, whereas if a soldier kills a civilian he goes to jail.

slitedeviance · Joined: 02 Sep 2006 Posts: 1507

programmusic wrote: now that would be a terrible analogy. As suicide bombings are the view of hamas and are ordered by Hamas, whereas if a soldier kills a civilian he goes to jail.

So is this soldier going to jail?

Plato & Socrates · Joined: 24 Dec 2005 Posts: 1743 Location: London

programmusic wrote: slitedeviance wrote: programmusic wrote: no, the IDF did not shoot two kids for throwing rocks. It was an individual soldier. Not the IDF.

I have no issue with reducing this issue to a single soldier provided in the future any attacks carried out by militants are viewed as such rather than as a representative view of Hamas.

now that would be a terrible analogy. As suicide bombings are the view of hamas and are ordered by Hamas, whereas if a soldier kills a civilian he goes to jail.

Stop the lies. Show your statistic of Palestinians dying in dubious circumstances and the soldier is repremanded, let alone a IDF investigation, or god forbid there is a conviction at the end? Save your rubbish for someone else. The IDF kills with impunity. If you dont believe me just google Amenesty or Human rights watch. Both non-partisan bodies who tell it like it is, and believe me Israel does'nt come out pretty from there reports.
Soldier goes to jail. :lol: What next? leading Israeli Rabbi tells his followers, a diet of pork chops is recommended by the Talmud. :lol: I'll know what story i'll believe first. :P

programmusic · Joined: 22 Apr 2006 Posts: 908

slitedeviance wrote: programmusic wrote: now that would be a terrible analogy. As suicide bombings are the view of hamas and are ordered by Hamas, whereas if a soldier kills a civilian he goes to jail.

So is this soldier going to jail?

well since noone knows the soldiers name it'dbe hard to find out.

If it was found out as it probably will be then yes he'll go to jail.

My father was in the army, I know plenty of others in the army as well. So much of what you guys peddle is pure bulls**t.

programmusic · Joined: 22 Apr 2006 Posts: 908

here's something interesting

look at the top link, and then the bottom link

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=%22Mohammed+Kmeil%22&btnG=Search

Israelis Kill 5 Palestinians
The dead were identified as Mohammed Kmeil, 16, who was shot in the neck, and Hani Khalil Kmeil, 20, who was shot in the chest. ...
www.wtop.com/?nid=500&sid=578157 - 22k - Cached - Similar pages

Article
The dead was identified as Hani Khalil Kmeil, 20, who was shot in the chest, and the wounded as Mohammed Kmeil, 16, who was shot in the neck. ...

bunny · Joined: 14 Oct 2006 Posts: 584

programmusic wrote: here's something interesting

look at the top link, and then the bottom link

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=%22Mohammed+Kmeil%22&btnG=Search

Israelis Kill 5 Palestinians
The dead were identified as Mohammed Kmeil, 16, who was shot in the neck, and Hani Khalil Kmeil, 20, who was shot in the chest. ...
www.wtop.com/?nid=500&sid=578157 - 22k - Cached - Similar pages

Article
The dead was identified as Hani Khalil Kmeil, 20, who was shot in the chest, and the wounded as Mohammed Kmeil, 16, who was shot in the neck. ...

let it go... seriously!!

you are actually questioning whether the 16 year old died or not...

The Comrade · Joined: 16 Jul 2006 Posts: 10541 Location: Zagreb

bunny wrote: I'm sorry, but i never said that...

then stop implying it.

bunny · Joined: 14 Oct 2006 Posts: 584

The Comrade wrote: bunny wrote: I'm sorry, but i never said that...

then stop implying it.

No. Stop readin that into what I am saying, dude...

The Comrade · Joined: 16 Jul 2006 Posts: 10541 Location: Zagreb

bunny wrote:

No. Stop readin that into what I am saying, dude...

A)i'm not your "dude"
B)you implications are practically written on a neon sign. i've been alive long enough to read inbetween the lines.

bunny · Joined: 14 Oct 2006 Posts: 584

The Comrade wrote: bunny wrote:

No. Stop readin that into what I am saying, dude...

A)i'm not your "dude"
B)you implications are practically written on a neon sign. i've been alive long enough to read inbetween the lines.

hey dude, I've been alive long enough to know that people who assume things are absolute IDIOTS, dude....

agentkgb · Joined: 23 Aug 2006 Posts: 2241 Location: US

The Comrade wrote: bunny wrote:

No. Stop readin that into what I am saying, dude...

A)i'm not your "dude"
As long as you're getting picky about who said what, he didn't say you were "his dude", he just referred to you as a dude.

prometeus · Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2006 5:05 pm Post subject:

It is astounding. Can some of you smell the stuff you are shoveling? And to say that you are applying logic to it.
Are the opinions biased? Of course they are, but those with an iota of intellect and reasoning can set aside the bias and look at the reality of the situation, or not.
If all you are about is bashing one side or another, then by all means go for it, ultimately it will amount to nothing anyway. If you are to discuss the issue, try first and foremost look at it in the context of the reality it is happening in.

So let us look at this again in the light of its reality:

Israel IS in the “occupied territories.” That is an undeniable FACT. You may or may not agree with or support that fact but none the less it is a FACT. No amount of rocks in the world will make it GET OUT. If and when Israel will withdraw from there, will not be determined by rock throwing.

Rock throwing by Palestinians of any age is NOT an expression of anything ONLY a PROVOCATION. You can say anything you like about it but it still is only a provocation to elicit, at times such as this, the wrong response, so that the Palestinians and some like you can “cry” foul. Is it not obvious by now that it does not amount to much anyway? You may condemn it, or be outraged all you want, it sill does not amount to much, that is also a FACT.

The killing of CHILDREN. What would you say if a 16 year old raped your daughter? (God forbid) Would you like to have him tried in juvenile court? I think not. You’d want to choke the living crap out of him, and rightfully so. Point is that at 16 a ‘boy’ is not a child anymore.
By the way, no one responded why is the ‘boy’ not doing something productive.

Comparing police action on demonstrators who throw rocks with this situation is about as logical as putting underwear on cows. Do you really expect the IDF to go on patrol “in the occupied territories” with water cannons just in case some playful child amidst playing marbles tossed one in the wrong direction?

So stop the flow of manure, and see this tragic incident for what it is. It is a sad and tragic result of a situation that can not be solved by rock throwing, but it can be perpetuated by it. And while like the loss of all life it is sad, this incident and unfortunately many more to follow are not really a surprise. If there is outrage, as there should be, it should be directed at the reason this situation exists and used to genuinely find a solution for it.

The Comrade · Joined: 16 Jul 2006 Posts: 10541 Location: Zagreb

bunny wrote:

hey dude, I've been alive long enough to know that people who assume things are absolute IDIOTS, dude....

want to get reported for a third time?

bunny · Joined: 14 Oct 2006 Posts: 584

The Comrade wrote: bunny wrote:

hey dude, I've been alive long enough to know that people who assume things are absolute IDIOTS, dude....

want to get reported for a third time?

report me for what?

I didn't saying anything wrong, nor did I aim anything at you personally...

what's the matter now?