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[cap'n queasy]

The Grandmaster wrote: Revenant wrote: Before this gets locked, think about it for a second. A needle in the arm? Does the rapist really deserve to go so easily. Not to mention they cost the system hundreds of thousands of dollars.

But, if we decide to have gladatorial deathmatches as a form of execution, we can build huge stadiums and charge people to watch the fights. It would cause a massive amount of money to be made which could possibly keep welfare programs afloat, fund the MI complex, and go towards paying off the national debt, and at the same time rid the nation of the dregs of society. Everyone wins (except the convicts, of course).

Who's for it? I'll be the first to stand up for what is right.

Of course I support this. I am a huge fan of Ultimate Fighting. This would be far more carnal, and violent, as the fights would have no rules. Obviously it is for the better. I mean, if they are going to die, why not? All I say is this, put them in fair weight classes. I am going to be pissed if I pay for a deathmatch and the bigger dude smashes a smaller on in a matter of seconds. I want compitition for my money.

And no weapons. I want bare...bare fists. Anything goes, bareknuckle. The fights would last longer, and be more entertaining I think.

Mr. Sunshine wrote: With the success of televised Mixed Martial Arts and the indirect outcome of it on American society via ramped up sociopathic behavior...

I am a huge Ultimate Fighting Fan.
Where is the proof for your claim?

Well, I have to say what you've said here certainly sounds sociopathic to me.

You want to watch people beat each other to death with bare fists.

[cap'n queasy]

perdidochas wrote: Revenant wrote: Before this gets locked, think about it for a second. A needle in the arm? Does the rapist really deserve to go so easily. Not to mention they cost the system hundreds of thousands of dollars.

But, if we decide to have gladatorial deathmatches as a form of execution, we can build huge stadiums and charge people to watch the fights. It would cause a massive amount of money to be made which could possibly keep welfare programs afloat, fund the MI complex, and go towards paying off the national debt, and at the same time rid the nation of the dregs of society. Everyone wins (except the convicts, of course).

Who's for it? I'll be the first to stand up for what is right.

The problem is what do you do with the winners?

The same thing that is done with other master degenerates in the US.

Make them into to celebrities and harass them with paparazzi. :lol:

[Revenant]

cap'n queasy wrote: The Grandmaster wrote: Revenant wrote: Before this gets locked, think about it for a second. A needle in the arm? Does the rapist really deserve to go so easily. Not to mention they cost the system hundreds of thousands of dollars.

But, if we decide to have gladatorial deathmatches as a form of execution, we can build huge stadiums and charge people to watch the fights. It would cause a massive amount of money to be made which could possibly keep welfare programs afloat, fund the MI complex, and go towards paying off the national debt, and at the same time rid the nation of the dregs of society. Everyone wins (except the convicts, of course).

Who's for it? I'll be the first to stand up for what is right.

Of course I support this. I am a huge fan of Ultimate Fighting. This would be far more carnal, and violent, as the fights would have no rules. Obviously it is for the better. I mean, if they are going to die, why not? All I say is this, put them in fair weight classes. I am going to be pissed if I pay for a deathmatch and the bigger dude smashes a smaller on in a matter of seconds. I want compitition for my money.

And no weapons. I want bare...bare fists. Anything goes, bareknuckle. The fights would last longer, and be more entertaining I think.

Mr. Sunshine wrote: With the success of televised Mixed Martial Arts and the indirect outcome of it on American society via ramped up sociopathic behavior...

I am a huge Ultimate Fighting Fan.
Where is the proof for your claim?

Well, I have to say what you've said here certainly sounds sociopathic to me.

You want to watch people beat each other to death with bare fists.

If only for the good of the people.

[Revenant]

cap'n queasy wrote: The Grandmaster wrote: Revenant wrote: Before this gets locked, think about it for a second. A needle in the arm? Does the rapist really deserve to go so easily. Not to mention they cost the system hundreds of thousands of dollars.

But, if we decide to have gladatorial deathmatches as a form of execution, we can build huge stadiums and charge people to watch the fights. It would cause a massive amount of money to be made which could possibly keep welfare programs afloat, fund the MI complex, and go towards paying off the national debt, and at the same time rid the nation of the dregs of society. Everyone wins (except the convicts, of course).

Who's for it? I'll be the first to stand up for what is right.

Of course I support this. I am a huge fan of Ultimate Fighting. This would be far more carnal, and violent, as the fights would have no rules. Obviously it is for the better. I mean, if they are going to die, why not? All I say is this, put them in fair weight classes. I am going to be pissed if I pay for a deathmatch and the bigger dude smashes a smaller on in a matter of seconds. I want compitition for my money.

And no weapons. I want bare...bare fists. Anything goes, bareknuckle. The fights would last longer, and be more entertaining I think.

Mr. Sunshine wrote: With the success of televised Mixed Martial Arts and the indirect outcome of it on American society via ramped up sociopathic behavior...

I am a huge Ultimate Fighting Fan.
Where is the proof for your claim?

Well, I have to say what you've said here certainly sounds sociopathic to me.

You want to watch people beat each other to death with bare fists.

I endorse weapon use. It's faster and spices things up.

[agentkgb]

Revenant wrote: I endorse weapon use. It's faster and spices things up.
You should have a series of matches without weapons, if you want to make money though. Make it like a movie theater: prohibit bringing in food and then make other criminals make junk food to sell. :roll:

[Revenant]

agentkgb wrote: Revenant wrote: I endorse weapon use. It's faster and spices things up.
You should have a series of matches without weapons, if you want to make money though. Make it like a movie theater: prohibit bringing in food and then make other criminals make junk food to sell. :roll:

I think weapon use will gain higher turnouts.

[agentkgb]

Revenant wrote: agentkgb wrote: Revenant wrote: I endorse weapon use. It's faster and spices things up.
You should have a series of matches without weapons, if you want to make money though. Make it like a movie theater: prohibit bringing in food and then make other criminals make junk food to sell. :roll:

I think weapon use will gain higher turnouts.
Certian weapons maybe. Swords would be cool but guns might make it boring, since there'd be a lot of luck involved then and it would go too fast.

[Katsumoto]

Thrilla wrote: agentkgb wrote: Katsumoto wrote: I voted yes with the following caveat: The punishment has to be a voluntary alternative chosen by the convict. I do not support a death penalty. I also think that prisons should be privately owned and operated and that they should “bid” on convict prison terms.

All convictions should be monetary. In other words a convict must compensate their victim. The amount should be up to a jury and judge, but once the amount is established it must be paid IMMEDIATELY. If the convict cannot pay, he must find a “private prison” willing to pay the debt on his behalf. He would then sign a contract with that prison for a set term of service. It could be labor, or anything really, including gladiatorial death matches.
Yeah great idea. Because everyone in the country has an equal amount of wealth so each person would be punished an exactly equal amount for the same crime by giving up the same amount of money. :roll: that doesnt concern me so much as a person who could afford the restitution might jsut say "screw it.. i can afford the fines.. im gonna kill this guy and be back to work on monday"

what this type of system would foster is a lawless upper society...and an imprisoned lower class... unless of course the restituion amount was set proportional to the wealth of the offender.... then the accountants would be involved.. and the IRS.... bah... too much trouble :lol:

Well that is where a professional judge and jury come in. In the case of Murder I think the penalty should be greater than the sum of the convict's assets as a base minimum, and then still have to pay a huge fine after that. That would ensure that no matter how rich, you can't get away with murder.

You would want a professional judge and jury (yes that means people who sit on juries for a living) settled on by both the prosectution and defense to run the trial fairly.

[The Grandmaster]

cap'n queasy wrote: The Grandmaster wrote: Revenant wrote: Before this gets locked, think about it for a second. A needle in the arm? Does the rapist really deserve to go so easily. Not to mention they cost the system hundreds of thousands of dollars.

But, if we decide to have gladatorial deathmatches as a form of execution, we can build huge stadiums and charge people to watch the fights. It would cause a massive amount of money to be made which could possibly keep welfare programs afloat, fund the MI complex, and go towards paying off the national debt, and at the same time rid the nation of the dregs of society. Everyone wins (except the convicts, of course).

Who's for it? I'll be the first to stand up for what is right.

Of course I support this. I am a huge fan of Ultimate Fighting. This would be far more carnal, and violent, as the fights would have no rules. Obviously it is for the better. I mean, if they are going to die, why not? All I say is this, put them in fair weight classes. I am going to be pissed if I pay for a deathmatch and the bigger dude smashes a smaller on in a matter of seconds. I want compitition for my money.

And no weapons. I want bare...bare fists. Anything goes, bareknuckle. The fights would last longer, and be more entertaining I think.

Mr. Sunshine wrote: With the success of televised Mixed Martial Arts and the indirect outcome of it on American society via ramped up sociopathic behavior...

I am a huge Ultimate Fighting Fan.
Where is the proof for your claim?

Well, I have to say what you've said here certainly sounds sociopathic to me.

You want to watch people beat each other to death with bare fists.

*Shrugs* Doesn't sound any worse than sticking a needle into someone's arm and poisening them to death, or locking them up in a chair, and sending electricity through them until their body fries.

Suddenly it occurs to me that having a chance to go down fighting isn't so barbaric after all.

[cap'n queasy]

Well, I would be pretty doubtful of the sanity of any person who would enjoy watching any of those methods of execution purely as entertainment.

And I don't see why someone who deserves a sanction as serious as the death penalty deserves a chance to do anything, much less "go down fighting".

[Katsumoto]

cap'n queasy wrote: Well, I would be pretty doubtful of the sanity of any person who would enjoy watching any of those methods of execution purely as entertainment.

And I don't see why someone who deserves a sanction as serious as the death penalty deserves a chance to do anything, much less "go down fighting".

Leave it up to the convict to decide.

[cap'n queasy]

Quote: Leave it up to the convict to decide.

Why? They have lost the power to make decisions for themselves because they have been convicted of a crime.

I see no reason to let them decide whether or not they will provide some nuts with a few seconds of entertainment.

I think you guys are imagining spectacular sword fights etc, when that is not how it will go. Life and death combat is generally over in seconds. It's brutal and stupid.

If you want to watch some real gladitorial contests go out and commit a crime and draw some hard time. You will be "invited" to participate in the fun, even. I guarantee your view of how entertaining it is to watch will changed real quick when your not sitting there safe in the stands.

[Revenant]

cap'n queasy wrote: Quote: Leave it up to the convict to decide.

Why? They have lost the power to make decisions for themselves because they have been convicted of a crime.

I see no reason to let them decide whether or not they will provide some nuts with a few seconds of entertainment.

I think you guys are imagining spectacular sword fights etc, when that is not how it will go. Life and death combat is generally over in seconds. It's brutal and stupid.

If you want to watch some real gladitorial contests go out and commit a crime and draw some hard time. You will be "invited" to participate in the fun, even. I guarantee your view of how entertaining it is to watch will changed real quick when your not sitting there safe in the stands.

Yes, which is why we put them in a deathmatch.

[Revenant]

agentkgb wrote: Revenant wrote: agentkgb wrote: Revenant wrote: I endorse weapon use. It's faster and spices things up.
You should have a series of matches without weapons, if you want to make money though. Make it like a movie theater: prohibit bringing in food and then make other criminals make junk food to sell. :roll:

I think weapon use will gain higher turnouts.
Certian weapons maybe. Swords would be cool but guns might make it boring, since there'd be a lot of luck involved then and it would go too fast.

Only melee weapons, guns would be too dangerous..........for the real people in the stands, not the convicts.

[The Grandmaster]

cap'n queasy wrote: Well, I would be pretty doubtful of the sanity of any person who would enjoy watching any of those methods of execution purely as entertainment.

I think the family of the victim's gets to watch, or at least used to, the exucution of the convicted. They are often satisfied, and some would say even entertained by the vindication, yet we do not think them insane.

cap'n queasy wrote: And I don't see why someone who deserves a sanction as serious as the death penalty deserves a chance to do anything, much less "go down fighting".

Fine, then since you view this as a worse punishment than the regular means (At least you seem to by your posts) it is all the more fitting to use it as a means of execution. After all, why not?

[Josh]

What about the probabilities of being wrongly accused?

[Revenant]

The Grandmaster wrote: cap'n queasy wrote: Well, I would be pretty doubtful of the sanity of any person who would enjoy watching any of those methods of execution purely as entertainment.

I think the family of the victim's gets to watch, or at least used to, the exucution of the convicted. They are often satisfied, and some would say even entertained by the vindication, yet we do not think them insane.

cap'n queasy wrote: And I don't see why someone who deserves a sanction as serious as the death penalty deserves a chance to do anything, much less "go down fighting".

Fine, then since you view this as a worse punishment than the regular means (At least you seem to by your posts) it is all the more fitting to use it as a means of execution. After all, why not?

Can't word it any better than that.

[Zybthranger314]

I voted no soley because I am in favor of getting rid of the death penalty. But if we're going to keep it around, why not? If the criminal wants to do it, let them.

The weight class idea sounds good, so that it's more sporting, but I think there should also be a seperate class for those who don't want to be assigned a weight class, and they can fight each other.

As for weapons, I think there should be two categories, and the criminal decides which to be in, along with deciding whether to be weight classed or not. The categories being bare fists and basic melee weapons.

[Zybthranger314]

Josh wrote: What about the probabilities of being wrongly accused?

Being that in this scenario the convict would be killed anyways, and the battle is simply a different form of execution, that point is only about the viability of a flawless execution of the death penalty rather than on the battle idea itself.

[Korimyr the Rat]

Revenant wrote: I really see little to no downside to this system. It's entertaining, it's badass, and it helps everyone, from the richest of the rich to the poorest of the poor. It's perfect.

It commercializes our criminal justice system, causing economic incentives to find more accused criminals guilty and sentence them to death-- and thus corrupts our criminal justice system and erodes our civil liberties.

You can see this already in the use of asset forfeiture laws in our War on Drugs-- which was originally sponsored by the alcohol, tobacco, and pharmaceuticals industries to protect their own market shares.

I have no objections to gladiatorial combat, but not as an aspect of our criminal justice system.