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[agentkgb]

Katsumoto wrote: I voted yes with the following caveat: The punishment has to be a voluntary alternative chosen by the convict. I do not support a death penalty. I also think that prisons should be privately owned and operated and that they should “bid” on convict prison terms.

All convictions should be monetary. In other words a convict must compensate their victim. The amount should be up to a jury and judge, but once the amount is established it must be paid IMMEDIATELY. If the convict cannot pay, he must find a “private prison” willing to pay the debt on his behalf. He would then sign a contract with that prison for a set term of service. It could be labor, or anything really, including gladiatorial death matches.
Yeah great idea. Because everyone in the country has an equal amount of wealth so each person would be punished an exactly equal amount for the same crime by giving up the same amount of money. :roll:

[Thrilla]

agentkgb wrote: Katsumoto wrote: I voted yes with the following caveat: The punishment has to be a voluntary alternative chosen by the convict. I do not support a death penalty. I also think that prisons should be privately owned and operated and that they should “bid” on convict prison terms.

All convictions should be monetary. In other words a convict must compensate their victim. The amount should be up to a jury and judge, but once the amount is established it must be paid IMMEDIATELY. If the convict cannot pay, he must find a “private prison” willing to pay the debt on his behalf. He would then sign a contract with that prison for a set term of service. It could be labor, or anything really, including gladiatorial death matches.
Yeah great idea. Because everyone in the country has an equal amount of wealth so each person would be punished an exactly equal amount for the same crime by giving up the same amount of money. :roll: that doesnt concern me so much as a person who could afford the restitution might jsut say "screw it.. i can afford the fines.. im gonna kill this guy and be back to work on monday"

what this type of system would foster is a lawless upper society...and an imprisoned lower class... unless of course the restituion amount was set proportional to the wealth of the offender.... then the accountants would be involved.. and the IRS.... bah... too much trouble :lol:

[StrawHat]

Well, what happens if the criminal wins?

[agentkgb]

StrawHat wrote: Well, what happens if the criminal wins?
If you had one criminal against another a criminal would have to win.
I guess they'd get to live until their next match.

[[Bible]Monkey]

StrawHat wrote: Well, what happens if the criminal wins?

He should have to navigate his way to safety out of the Arena of Doom through a minefield.

Or elude a pack of starving lions that are unleashed on the winner.

We would need to get those Reality TV people involved, somehow, of course ......

[Revenant]

micfranklin wrote: Revenant wrote: Before this gets locked, think about it for a second. A needle in the arm? Does the rapist really deserve to go so easily. Not to mention they cost the system hundreds of thousands of dollars.

But, if we decide to have gladatorial deathmatches as a form of execution, we can build huge stadiums and charge people to watch the fights. It would cause a massive amount of money to be made which could possibly keep welfare programs afloat, fund the MI complex, and go towards paying off the national debt, and at the same time rid the nation of the dregs of society. Everyone wins (except the convicts, of course).

Who's for it? I'll be the first to stand up for what is right.

Okay, Caesar, what are you smoking? Rapists and such are pretty bad, but they're still human and even they deserve to die just like the justice system has done in the past....our justice system.

Our justice system has changed. Think of this as an evolution.

[Revenant]

I really see little to no downside to this system. It's entertaining, it's badass, and it helps everyone, from the richest of the rich to the poorest of the poor. It's perfect.

[agentkgb]

Revenant wrote: I really see little to no downside to this system. It's entertaining, it's badass, and it helps everyone, from the richest of the rich to the poorest of the poor. It's perfect.
And it shows how civilized we are. :)
Maybe as an alternative to regular execution, someone could request a deathmatch and the profit would go towards his victims's kid's education or something, or it could be his final way of supporting his own family.
Or maybe not.

[Wolverine]

Revenant wrote: Before this gets locked, think about it for a second. A needle in the arm? Does the rapist really deserve to go so easily. Not to mention they cost the system hundreds of thousands of dollars.

But, if we decide to have gladatorial deathmatches as a form of execution, we can build huge stadiums and charge people to watch the fights. It would cause a massive amount of money to be made which could possibly keep welfare programs afloat, fund the MI complex, and go towards paying off the national debt, and at the same time rid the nation of the dregs of society. Everyone wins (except the convicts, of course).

Who's for it? I'll be the first to stand up for what is right.
I agree.:tu: Make it an option for criminals to pick that method of execution.

[Wolverine]

StrawHat wrote: Well, what happens if the criminal wins?
Then he is the ring keeper. If he is killed, then the next criminal would take his place.

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Anybody remember the movie "The Running Man" with Ar-nold? Thats role model gladiator combat.

[Otacon]

The money people would pay to see it would pay for an incredible amount of things that need work on, such as the public school system.

[cap'n queasy]

Revenant wrote: Before this gets locked, think about it for a second. A needle in the arm? Does the rapist really deserve to go so easily. Not to mention they cost the system hundreds of thousands of dollars.

But, if we decide to have gladatorial deathmatches as a form of execution, we can build huge stadiums and charge people to watch the fights. It would cause a massive amount of money to be made which could possibly keep welfare programs afloat, fund the MI complex, and go towards paying off the national debt, and at the same time rid the nation of the dregs of society. Everyone wins (except the convicts, of course).

Who's for it? I'll be the first to stand up for what is right.

Hey, why stop there?

Bring back mass crucifixions and emperors who make people announce in public that they believe that they are a god.

That brings in money too.

[Otacon]

Sure, crucifixions are good methods, too. :lol:

[agentkgb]

Otacon wrote: Sure, crucifixions are good methods, too. :lol:
Fewer spectators though. It only brings in cash for the crucifix-makers.

[The Grandmaster]

Revenant wrote: Before this gets locked, think about it for a second. A needle in the arm? Does the rapist really deserve to go so easily. Not to mention they cost the system hundreds of thousands of dollars.

But, if we decide to have gladatorial deathmatches as a form of execution, we can build huge stadiums and charge people to watch the fights. It would cause a massive amount of money to be made which could possibly keep welfare programs afloat, fund the MI complex, and go towards paying off the national debt, and at the same time rid the nation of the dregs of society. Everyone wins (except the convicts, of course).

Who's for it? I'll be the first to stand up for what is right.

Of course I support this. I am a huge fan of Ultimate Fighting. This would be far more carnal, and violent, as the fights would have no rules. Obviously it is for the better. I mean, if they are going to die, why not? All I say is this, put them in fair weight classes. I am going to be pissed if I pay for a deathmatch and the bigger dude smashes a smaller on in a matter of seconds. I want compitition for my money.

And no weapons. I want bare...bare fists. Anything goes, bareknuckle. The fights would last longer, and be more entertaining I think.

Mr. Sunshine wrote: With the success of televised Mixed Martial Arts and the indirect outcome of it on American society via ramped up sociopathic behavior...

I am a huge Ultimate Fighting Fan.
Where is the proof for your claim?

[agentkgb]

Revenant wrote: Before this gets locked, think about it for a second. A needle in the arm? Does the rapist really deserve to go so easily. Not to mention they cost the system hundreds of thousands of dollars.

But, if we decide to have gladatorial deathmatches as a form of execution, we can build huge stadiums and charge people to watch the fights. It would cause a massive amount of money to be made which could possibly keep welfare programs afloat, fund the MI complex, and go towards paying off the national debt, and at the same time rid the nation of the dregs of society. Everyone wins (except the convicts, of course).

Who's for it? I'll be the first to stand up for what is right.
If they did it though they would have to televise it on C-SPAN. WHat better way to get youth interested in politics? :roll:

[Revenant]

agentkgb wrote: Revenant wrote: I really see little to no downside to this system. It's entertaining, it's badass, and it helps everyone, from the richest of the rich to the poorest of the poor. It's perfect.
And it shows how civilized we are. :)
Maybe as an alternative to regular execution, someone could request a deathmatch and the profit would go towards his victims's kid's education or something, or it could be his final way of supporting his own family.
Or maybe not.

Not a terrible idea, but I'd rather have it benefit the collective, rather than a small group of people.

[Revenant]

cap'n queasy wrote: Revenant wrote: Before this gets locked, think about it for a second. A needle in the arm? Does the rapist really deserve to go so easily. Not to mention they cost the system hundreds of thousands of dollars.

But, if we decide to have gladatorial deathmatches as a form of execution, we can build huge stadiums and charge people to watch the fights. It would cause a massive amount of money to be made which could possibly keep welfare programs afloat, fund the MI complex, and go towards paying off the national debt, and at the same time rid the nation of the dregs of society. Everyone wins (except the convicts, of course).

Who's for it? I'll be the first to stand up for what is right.

Hey, why stop there?

Bring back mass crucifixions and emperors who make people announce in public that they believe that they are a god.

That brings in money too.

Not entertaining enough. America would never go for it.

This however, is extreme, it is awesome, and it benefits all but the scum of the earth.

[Revenant]

Otacon wrote: Sure, crucifixions are good methods, too. :lol:

Public execution doesn't benefit anyone but those who knew the victim. Deathmatches could benefit a massive amount of people.

[perdidochas]

Revenant wrote: Before this gets locked, think about it for a second. A needle in the arm? Does the rapist really deserve to go so easily. Not to mention they cost the system hundreds of thousands of dollars.

But, if we decide to have gladatorial deathmatches as a form of execution, we can build huge stadiums and charge people to watch the fights. It would cause a massive amount of money to be made which could possibly keep welfare programs afloat, fund the MI complex, and go towards paying off the national debt, and at the same time rid the nation of the dregs of society. Everyone wins (except the convicts, of course).

Who's for it? I'll be the first to stand up for what is right.

The problem is what do you do with the winners?