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[Revenant]

Before this gets locked, think about it for a second. A needle in the arm? Does the rapist really deserve to go so easily. Not to mention they cost the system hundreds of thousands of dollars.

But, if we decide to have gladatorial deathmatches as a form of execution, we can build huge stadiums and charge people to watch the fights. It would cause a massive amount of money to be made which could possibly keep welfare programs afloat, fund the MI complex, and go towards paying off the national debt, and at the same time rid the nation of the dregs of society. Everyone wins (except the convicts, of course).

Who's for it? I'll be the first to stand up for what is right.

[The Newb]

funny but pointed i think you may be on to something :lol:

[Revenant]

Our public education system couldn't hurt having more money. Our New Deal programs and military could use a lil extra cash too.

[Dragoon]

It would be most awesome. What kind of weapons do we give them? Bare hands? Spears? Swords? Pointy sticks and rocks?

[Revenant]

Dragoon wrote: It would be most awesome. What kind of weapons do we give them? Bare hands? Spears? Swords? Pointy sticks and rocks?

I was thinking razors, shivs, maces, axes, chainsaws, etc. Only melee weapons.

And some just fights to the death with no weapons.

Regardless, this would greatly benefit society, and even the world as a whole if the U.S. decided to invest its newfound wealth into foreign aid.

EDIT: I'll be back to discuss this later. And how the benefits far outweigh the costs.

[Mr. Sunshine]

With the success of televised Mixed Martial Arts and the indirect outcome of it on American society via ramped up sociopathic behavior; why fuel the fire of violence? :)

[Revenant]

Mr. Sunshine wrote: With the success of televised Mixed Martial Arts and the indirect outcome of it on American society via ramped up sociopathic behavior; why fuel the fire of violence? :)

So, in essence you are saying that

The Military
Welfare Recipients
Medicaid Recipients
Medicare Recipients
Students
Businesses
and many many more....

Must pay because some people are impressionable fools?

I say no.

[sLiPpY]

Gladiators? What about Midget Tossing? we could invite Kim Jong Il'

We wouldn't even need to put any velcro on his head for em' to stick to the wall! :-D

[micfranklin]

Revenant wrote: Before this gets locked, think about it for a second. A needle in the arm? Does the rapist really deserve to go so easily. Not to mention they cost the system hundreds of thousands of dollars.

But, if we decide to have gladatorial deathmatches as a form of execution, we can build huge stadiums and charge people to watch the fights. It would cause a massive amount of money to be made which could possibly keep welfare programs afloat, fund the MI complex, and go towards paying off the national debt, and at the same time rid the nation of the dregs of society. Everyone wins (except the convicts, of course).

Who's for it? I'll be the first to stand up for what is right.

Okay, Caesar, what are you smoking? Rapists and such are pretty bad, but they're still human and even they deserve to die just like the justice system has done in the past....our justice system.

[Impartial1]

Instead of organized deathmatches lets just send all the murderers and rapists to an island and let them do what they want. I think it would be more appealing to viewers to see how they group up, organize and figure out how to survive.

We then will need a security force and other personnel to make sure know one escapes. People who are on welfare will get professional training and be given such jobs.

[callous]

Revenant wrote: Before this gets locked, think about it for a second. A needle in the arm? Does the rapist really deserve to go so easily. Not to mention they cost the system hundreds of thousands of dollars.

But, if we decide to have gladatorial deathmatches as a form of execution, we can build huge stadiums and charge people to watch the fights. It would cause a massive amount of money to be made which could possibly keep welfare programs afloat, fund the MI complex, and go towards paying off the national debt, and at the same time rid the nation of the dregs of society. Everyone wins (except the convicts, of course).

Who's for it? I'll be the first to stand up for what is right.

There are plenty of inmates at federal prisons who are extremely capable of fleshing out the sentences incurred by predatory behavior.

I don't think spectator sports are really needed, unless the major networks aren't making as much money as they'd like to.

[Katsumoto]

I voted yes with the following caveat: The punishment has to be a voluntary alternative chosen by the convict. I do not support a death penalty. I also think that prisons should be privately owned and operated and that they should “bid” on convict prison terms.

All convictions should be monetary. In other words a convict must compensate their victim. The amount should be up to a jury and judge, but once the amount is established it must be paid IMMEDIATELY. If the convict cannot pay, he must find a “private prison” willing to pay the debt on his behalf. He would then sign a contract with that prison for a set term of service. It could be labor, or anything really, including gladiatorial death matches.

[Thrilla]

Katsumoto wrote: I voted yes with the following caveat: The punishment has to be a voluntary alternative chosen by the convict. I do not support a death penalty. I also think that prisons should be privately owned and operated and that they should “bid” on convict prison terms.

All convictions should be monetary. In other words a convict must compensate their victim. The amount should be up to a jury and judge, but once the amount is established it must be paid IMMEDIATELY. If the convict cannot pay, he must find a “private prison” willing to pay the debt on his behalf. He would then sign a contract with that prison for a set term of service. It could be labor, or anything really, including gladiatorial death matches. interesting idea :think:

very similiar to historic Japanese institutions... is this what guided you towards this?

[RealRepublicanArmy]

Katsumoto wrote: I voted yes with the following caveat: The punishment has to be a voluntary alternative chosen by the convict. I do not support a death penalty. I also think that prisons should be privately owned and operated and that they should “bid” on convict prison terms.

All convictions should be monetary. In other words a convict must compensate their victim. The amount should be up to a jury and judge, but once the amount is established it must be paid IMMEDIATELY. If the convict cannot pay, he must find a “private prison” willing to pay the debt on his behalf. He would then sign a contract with that prison for a set term of service. It could be labor, or anything really, including gladiatorial death matches.

What world do you live in?

[Thrilla]

RealRepublicanArmy wrote: Katsumoto wrote: I voted yes with the following caveat: The punishment has to be a voluntary alternative chosen by the convict. I do not support a death penalty. I also think that prisons should be privately owned and operated and that they should “bid” on convict prison terms.

All convictions should be monetary. In other words a convict must compensate their victim. The amount should be up to a jury and judge, but once the amount is established it must be paid IMMEDIATELY. If the convict cannot pay, he must find a “private prison” willing to pay the debt on his behalf. He would then sign a contract with that prison for a set term of service. It could be labor, or anything really, including gladiatorial death matches.

What world do you live in? this type of thing is not unprecedented.. especially in the orient... im not sure if Prison were run like this.. but other societal institutions were...Geishas for example

[Tono]

Mr. Sunshine wrote: With the success of televised Mixed Martial Arts and the indirect outcome of it on American society via ramped up sociopathic behavior; why fuel the fire of violence? :)

There is more violence on the local news. Funny how mixed martial arts gets the black eye. (pun intended)

[jawsome]

Totally. Maybe not for a form of "justice," but I wish there were deathmatches.

[Katsumoto]

Thrilla wrote: Katsumoto wrote: I voted yes with the following caveat: The punishment has to be a voluntary alternative chosen by the convict. I do not support a death penalty. I also think that prisons should be privately owned and operated and that they should “bid" on convict prison terms.

All convictions should be monetary. In other words a convict must compensate their victim. The amount should be up to a jury and judge, but once the amount is established it must be paid IMMEDIATELY. If the convict cannot pay, he must find a “private prison" willing to pay the debt on his behalf. He would then sign a contract with that prison for a set term of service. It could be labor, or anything really, including gladiatorial death matches. interesting idea :think:

very similiar to historic Japanese institutions... is this what guided you towards this?

It is not similar to the current Japanese Justice system, and I am not too familiar with the history of punishment in Japan, other that that it was usually death.

I just think the above system is a good solution. It compensates the victim and puts all costs on the convict, rather than society (through taxation).

Our current system leaves no compensation to victims and society bears tremendous cost for housing, health care, food, entertainment and all other aspects of the "punishment" of convicts, while all the convict loses is the ability to the leave the premises for a set period of time.

Pretty dumb system if you ask me.

[LostSoul3412]

Sure, why not? We'd just be killing two birds with one stone. :wink:

[Thrilla]

Katsumoto wrote: Thrilla wrote: Katsumoto wrote: I voted yes with the following caveat: The punishment has to be a voluntary alternative chosen by the convict. I do not support a death penalty. I also think that prisons should be privately owned and operated and that they should “bid" on convict prison terms.

All convictions should be monetary. In other words a convict must compensate their victim. The amount should be up to a jury and judge, but once the amount is established it must be paid IMMEDIATELY. If the convict cannot pay, he must find a “private prison" willing to pay the debt on his behalf. He would then sign a contract with that prison for a set term of service. It could be labor, or anything really, including gladiatorial death matches. interesting idea :think:

very similiar to historic Japanese institutions... is this what guided you towards this?

It is not similar to the current Japanese Justice system, and I am not too familiar with the history of punishment in Japan, other that that it was usually death.

I just think the above system is a good solution. It compensates the victim and puts all costs on the convict, rather than society (through taxation).

Our current system leaves no compensation to victims and society bears tremendous cost for housing, health care, food, entertainment and all other aspects of the "punishment" of convicts, while all the convict loses is the ability to the leave the premises for a set period of time.

Pretty dumb system if you ask me. I dont recall this type of thing being used in any prison system either.. i was commenting more on the societal institution of restitution... it wasnt uncommon for one to go into debt with another person and be subject to a form of servitude in order to rectify his/her debt.. the problem was that a certain monetary value was set on intangibles...such as honor or integrity... and the abuse came in the form of setting that value too high ...and engaging the person to damn near a lifetime of servitude.

although Geisha were nearly "revered" in Japan... most were "slaves" of a sort... people would pay off debts with their young girls and in turn the new "owner" would set about turning the girl into Geisha in order to make money to repay the debt that they had assumed.
its a bit more complicated than that... but those are the basics.

so yeah.. it was more of a societal restitution system rather than a governmental of correctional system of restitution.

the end result is that those who were "wronged" are awarded restitution by the entity that assumed the offenders debt... the offender would then set about repaying his debt by some form of servitude