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[[Bible]Monkey]

Alberta, Saudi Arabia , and Venezuela must immediately send a team of assasins to wipe out these Irish Scientists, and burn their records and drawings.

Quote: We have developed a technology that produces free, clean and constant energy.

This means never having to recharge your phone, never having to refuel your car. A world with an infinite supply of clean energy for all.

THE CHALLENGE

0.... days since we challenged the world's scientists to test our revolutionary free energy technology

361.... scientists have expressed interest in testing our technology

3983 ......people have registered to recieve the results

Scientists / Engineers – Register here for the challenge.

steorn forum

The Patent

The News Story

Quote: Fri Aug 18, 10:10 AM ET

DUBLIN (AFP) - An Irish company has thrown down the gauntlet to the worldwide scientific community to test a technology it has developed that it claims produces free energy.


The company, Steorn, says its discovery is based on the interaction of magnetic fields and allows the production of clean, free and constant energy -- a concept that challenges one of the basic rules of physics.

It claims the technology can be used to supply energy for virtually all devices, from mobile phones to cars.

Steorn issued its challenge through an advertisement in the Economist magazine this week quoting Ireland's Nobel prize-winning author George Bernard Shaw who said that "all great truths begin as blasphemies".

Sean McCarthy, Steorn's chief executive officer, said they had issued the challenge for 12 physicists to rigorously test the technology so it can be developed.

"What we have developed is a way to construct magnetic fields so that when you travel round the magnetic fields, starting and stopping at the same position, you have gained energy," McCarthy said.....

I say that in the unlikely event these Irish researchers actually have succeeded in violating the laws of classical electromagnetism or the laws of conservation of energy, or utilized an as yet unrecognized horspower of Quantum mechanics, we must burn them as Witches.

*waits for oil revenue check and strokes white cat*

[johnflesh]

[Bible]Monkey wrote: *waits for oil revenue check and strokes white cat*

:lol:

As for the free energy thing, I want to test it.

[[Bible]Monkey]

johnflesh wrote: [Bible]Monkey wrote: *waits for oil revenue check and strokes white cat*

:lol:

As for the free energy thing, I want to test it.

Sign up at their website, and volunteer to be on either the Jury, or on the panel of independant testers, or as an interested party requesting to view the results. I was going to, then reading their forum sounds like you may have to sign a non disclosure agreement.

I think they're still selecting people , and are going into third party tests in Sept.. In ten days since I posted , lots more people have signed up:

Quote: 10 .....days since we challenged the world's scientists to test our revolutionary free energy technology

3651...... scientists have expressed interest in testing our technology

43920 .....people have registered to receive the results

Interesting as hell reading the discussion/debates in the forum-things are heating up :-D

Whichever way it turns out-it's sure to remain entertaining.

[[Bible]Monkey]

Durn, my link to the patent used to be to their gadget when I posted it ten days ago-now it's to something else; encipherng, or something.

The link to the patent is in the forum someplace-must be one of the first ( ten day old) few pages, I see it went to 32 pages now.

[paulmarkj]

[quote]We have developed a technology that produces free, clean and constant energy.

So what is this site really about? It clearly isn't about free energy because that is impossible. I guess the scam is to get everyone enthusiastic about their product, get the investment in before they are found out.

Funny how they get to pick the scientists, shouldn't they publish a scientific paper about this, then let every scientist have a look?

I am willing to bet my entire life savings with anyone that this will not produce free energy.

[FarPastGone]

I have been checking this company out for the last few days. Here is what I found out:

1.) It is not a scam asking for money because they are not asking for financial contributions, investments, donations, or anything other.
2.) They claim that they can not give great details on the product because the patents are still pending.
3.) Steorn is a REAL company, as learned through the posting of their financial return reports online from 2003 (although they do show financial difficulties).
4.) The site, interviews, videos, claims that they have office buildings by locals on the forums, fact that it is a real company, an interview in which they disclosed the price of the ad they took out in "The Economist", and their reasoning behind the way they are going about the whole ordeal is reason enough for me to believe that this could possibly be anything but a hoax.

My question is; what would they achieve through pulling a hoax of this magnitude? Putting extraneous resources (both time and money) in to a hoax that yields no return?

.....and if you are going to say publicity stunt then you are wrong because they fielded (disproved) claims that this was the site launching the new Xbox, and other such publicity stunts. I am waiting for a response from a physicist I know to verify how feasible their claims are.

[Pzatchok]

FarPastGone wrote: I have been checking this company out for the last few days. Here is what I found out:

1.) It is not a scam asking for money because they are not asking for financial contributions, investments, donations, or anything other.
2.) They claim that they can not give great details on the product because the patents are still pending.
3.) Steorn is a REAL company, as learned through the posting of their financial return reports online from 2003 (although they do show financial difficulties).
4.) The site, interviews, videos, claims that they have office buildings by locals on the forums, fact that it is a real company, an interview in which they disclosed the price of the ad they took out in "The Economist", and their reasoning behind the way they are going about the whole ordeal is reason enough for me to believe that this could possibly be anything but a hoax.

My question is; what would they achieve through pulling a hoax of this magnitude? Putting extraneous resources (both time and money) in to a hoax that yields no return?

.....and if you are going to say publicity stunt then you are wrong because they fielded (disproved) claims that this was the site launching the new Xbox, and other such publicity stunts. I am waiting for a response from a physicist I know to verify how feasible their claims are.


This sounds like the old clasic snowjob.
No we are not asking for money. But soon we'll be looking for investors. We might have to sell a bit of stock in order to get us through that old research and divelopment stage.
Of course you can see everything we are diveloping. You just need to sign this little form.)so that if you run out and say it doesn't work we can take you to court for the potential profits we lost.

So who wants to be an investor?


You do know that there are already several thousand "free energy" patents out there? So far not one has even come close.

[Dobbywan]

Well I read someplace that they weren't selling any stocks or anything, until after the papers have been published. So I don't really think it's a scam for money...

[Pzatchok]

But what if they run out of funding before then?

Wouldn't you, for the sake of the environment and your childrens future, be willing to help them out.

Maybe not with your cash but maybe you can help them find that one donor who would be able to help them.



They are looking for one dumb rich lottery winner to just 'help them through a tough spot'.

By the way. The day your patent aplication arrives at the patent office you are issued an patent pending number. This number is legal proof of your ownership of the patent untill the official number is given. If is passes inspection an official number is given.
If it doesn't pass then the patent pending number is revoked. No harm done.

Publishing papers accomplishes almost the same thing.


You don't need a patent lawyer to do any of this. The forms are on line at the patent office along with insructions.
http://www.uspto.gov/
All forms are in PDF format and publicly available.
They take credit card.

If their patent lawyer can't get this started in a month then something is fishy.

[FarPastGone]

Yes I do know this, and yes I know there have been similar hoaxes. They have said they will not be making financial transactions through the discovery/research process. Of course this is yet to take place, but like I said, this seems like extreme measures to go through if this is indeed fake technology. I am not saying I am a 100% believer, but I do feel like I must put up an argument based on the information I have come across.

Quote: That was three years ago. Since then, McCarthy says, the company has spent £2.7m developing the technology. Steorn has also gone into partnership with a European micro-generator company to develop prototypes.
Quote: Certainly, the Steorn team seems genuine and well-intentioned. Walshe says that if the technology is accepted it will be licensed to manufacturers, but given away to electrical and water projects in developing countries. And, until their claims have been assessed by the jury, McCarthy says they won't be accepting any investor offers. So if this is a hoax, it would appear not to be a money-making scheme; Walshe says the Economist ad alone cost £75,000.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/story/0,,1858134,00.html

These sentiments are echoed in McCarthy's interview with both BBC and FoxNews:
FoxNews Clip
BBC Clip - Can't seem to find it, but essentially was the same as the FoxNews one
Promo Video Clip

Quote: After reviewing US and European Patent and Trademark applications, as well as Irish Commercial Registry documents (including annual reports and share allocations), Steorn Watch concludes that Steorn is indeed a legal business entity that has existed since 2000. While this may seem like a no-brainer, with all the theories flying about, determining if Steorn is an actual business was step 1.
http://www.steornwatch.com/steorn-real-company-3

You can download a 26 minute interview with McCarthy from Steorn Watch here -----> X <-----

Quote: Docklands Innovation Park, one of many google links
http://www.startingabusinessinireland.com/dirdocklandsip.htm

Dublin Institute of Technology, Steorn contribute prizes and sponsorship
http://www.dit.ie/cgi-bin/ksearch.cgi?terms=steorn&sort=Matches&display=5

Irish Companies Register
http://www.cro.ie/search/
and search for Steorn (been registered since 2000)
http://www.steorn.net/forum/comments.php?DiscussionID=3703&page=1#Item_0

[FarPastGone]

Pzatchok wrote: By the way. The day your patent aplication arrives at the patent office you are issued an patent pending number. This number is legal proof of your ownership of the patent untill the official number is given. If is passes inspection an official number is given.
If it doesn't pass then the patent pending number is revoked. No harm done.

Publishing papers accomplishes almost the same thing.


You don't need a patent lawyer to do any of this. The forms are on line at the patent office along with insructions.
http://www.uspto.gov/
All forms are in PDF format and publicly available.
They take credit card.

If their patent lawyer can't get this started in a month then something is fishy.

Quote: holt When can we see second and subsequent patents?
Sean_McCarthy We do not control when the PTO puts the patents into the public domain
Quote: SteornSkeptic If the patents are approved will you then provide more technical details?
Sean_McCarthy Yes, they will be in the public domain at that point anyway!
http://www.steorn.net/chat24aug.html

Quote: Steorn says it has seven patents pending on its technology, though it is difficult to see what can be patented; magnets already exist and so do the 360 degrees of a circle. Yet it is the positioning of the magnets that seems to be at the heart of this "new" energy. And, as McCarthy points out, the Patent Office rejects inventions that fly in the face of such fundamental principles as, say, the conservation of energy.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/story/0,,1858134,00.html

[FarPastGone]

Of course to effectively speak on this topic I do need to recognize the inconstancies with Steorn. The greatest of which I have discovered is here:

http://www.steornwatch.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=12

[[Bible]Monkey]

http://www.steorn.net/forum/comments.php?DiscussionID=21541&page=1#Item_0

http://www.aias.us/Members/ECE-Article_EN.pdf

[Snake]

lol, free energy.....

[Free Thinkr]

Kamel wrote: lol, free energy.....
Precisely my sentiment.

[Mighty Oak]

Free Thinkr wrote: Kamel wrote: lol, free energy.....
Precisely my sentiment. Apparently neither of you know much about Tesla's work.http://www.iuser.iwarp.com/main/tesla.htm

One of the most important inventions of Nikola Tesla was was the electrical transmitter. Shortly after leaving his Colorado research facility and returning to New York, Tesla began construction of an gigantic version of this invention, to be known as The Wardenclyffe Tower. Constructed between 1900-1905, the tower stood 187 ft into the air, with a 68 ft metal dome The purpose of the tower was to transmit wireless messages across the Atlantic and, as he had told his financier J.P. Morgan, provide free energy to the entire globe.
Tesla believed this to be a simple procedure, and later confirmed through experimentation, that the Earth conducts electricity naturally, much like a metal ball. Tesla hypothesized that Earth could be charged from a single location and energy could be safely extracted from any other point on the globe's surface.
The Earth could be pumped with electricity and anyone on its surface could remove it by simply placing a wire into the ground. This energy could be withdrawn in unlimited amounts for unlimited uses, free for all the world's people!
The Wardenclyffe Tower was never completed. Morgan refused Tesla the funds necessary to complete construction, and finding alternate financing proved impossible. The Tower at Wardenclyffe was later dismantled under F.B.I. supervision.

Now the Wardenclyffe Tower and facility is listed in the National Historical Site, and on July, 1976 a plaque bearing the following inscription was placed near the entrance to Tesla's Wardenclyffe laboratory by the people of Yugoslavia:


IN THIS BUILDING DESIGNED BY STANFORD WHITE, ARCHITECT, NIKOLA TESLA, BORN SMILJAN, YUGOSLAVIA 1856, DIED NEW YORK, USA 1943, CONSTRUCTED IN 1901-1905 WARDENCLYFFE, HUGE RADIO STATION WITH ANTENNA TOWER 187 FT. HIGH (DESTROYED 1917), WHICH WAS TO SERVE AS HIS FIRST WORLD COMMUNICATIONS SYSTEM. IN MEMORY OF 120TH ANNIVERSARY OF TESLA'S BIRTH AND 200TH ANNIVERSARY OF USA INDEPENDENCE - July 10, 1976


Doesn't it seem ironic that such a device existed back in the early 1900's. Tesla had the right idea but the Government could not find a way to place a meter on free energy. It seems such a shame that we cannot work for mans benefit instead of a monetary benefit of a few people and governments.

[Patriot911]

Mighty Oak wrote: Free Thinkr wrote: Kamel wrote: lol, free energy.....
Precisely my sentiment. Apparently neither of you know much about Tesla's work.http://www.iuser.iwarp.com/main/tesla.htm

One of the most important inventions of Nikola Tesla was was the electrical transmitter. Shortly after leaving his Colorado research facility and returning to New York, Tesla began construction of an gigantic version of this invention, to be known as The Wardenclyffe Tower. Constructed between 1900-1905, the tower stood 187 ft into the air, with a 68 ft metal dome The purpose of the tower was to transmit wireless messages across the Atlantic and, as he had told his financier J.P. Morgan, provide free energy to the entire globe.
Tesla believed this to be a simple procedure, and later confirmed through experimentation, that the Earth conducts electricity naturally, much like a metal ball. Tesla hypothesized that Earth could be charged from a single location and energy could be safely extracted from any other point on the globe's surface.
The Earth could be pumped with electricity and anyone on its surface could remove it by simply placing a wire into the ground. This energy could be withdrawn in unlimited amounts for unlimited uses, free for all the world's people!
The Wardenclyffe Tower was never completed. Morgan refused Tesla the funds necessary to complete construction, and finding alternate financing proved impossible. The Tower at Wardenclyffe was later dismantled under F.B.I. supervision.

Now the Wardenclyffe Tower and facility is listed in the National Historical Site, and on July, 1976 a plaque bearing the following inscription was placed near the entrance to Tesla's Wardenclyffe laboratory by the people of Yugoslavia:


IN THIS BUILDING DESIGNED BY STANFORD WHITE, ARCHITECT, NIKOLA TESLA, BORN SMILJAN, YUGOSLAVIA 1856, DIED NEW YORK, USA 1943, CONSTRUCTED IN 1901-1905 WARDENCLYFFE, HUGE RADIO STATION WITH ANTENNA TOWER 187 FT. HIGH (DESTROYED 1917), WHICH WAS TO SERVE AS HIS FIRST WORLD COMMUNICATIONS SYSTEM. IN MEMORY OF 120TH ANNIVERSARY OF TESLA'S BIRTH AND 200TH ANNIVERSARY OF USA INDEPENDENCE - July 10, 1976


Doesn't it seem ironic that such a device existed back in the early 1900's. Tesla had the right idea but the Government could not find a way to place a meter on free energy. It seems such a shame that we cannot work for mans benefit instead of a monetary benefit of a few people and governments.

Apparently you know even less about Tesla's work. Tesla had ideas for electrical transmission, and claimed he had ideas for a "fuel free" generator, but no such working device was ever built. Your own article which you appear to think talks about free energy only talks about transmission of electricity, not generation. You should read what you post before you post to prevent making yourself look like a fool.

[Wizard From Oz]

Quote: Doesn't it seem ironic that such a device existed back in the early 1900's. Tesla had the right idea but the Government could not find a way to place a meter on free energy. It seems such a shame that we cannot work for mans benefit instead of a monetary benefit of a few people and governments.

The biggest problem is the idea didn't actually work - thats why the planet is covered with high powered electrical wires today

[Mighty Oak]

Yes it's quite easy to look like a fool when you don't know what your talking about.I suggest you read up on Tesla's work.You may just find that the only reason that his device did not materialize is the lack of funding needed to see it through.Tesla understood electricity better than anyone and he has said that he could do it,free energy for the entire world,you doubt that?This is not worth debating,it is all available for anyone who wants to know.

[Snake]

I know of Tesla's work, good ideas, some work, some don't. But what I was getting at was, even if energy could be generated free of charge, it ain't gonna happen, except for solar, which uses very expensive panels with very little output when compared to conventional means. Other than solar, there are very little, if any options.