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Revenant
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| Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 1:24 pm Post subject: |
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RueTheDay wrote: Free Thinkr wrote: Katsumoto wrote: Free Thinkr wrote: Katsumoto wrote: RueTheDay wrote:
Right. These so-called Anarcho-capitalists (an oxymoron if there ever were one) want all of the benefits of living in a modern nation like the US or a European country, but they don't want to pay for it.
No we just want the freedom to choose our benifits on a free market.
While ignoring that a free market wont exist in a state of anarchy.
Is that a fact? How on earth did you prove that theory without any historical examples of true anarchies available to test it?
True anarchies? Would those be the anarchies that have never existed? Want to venture a guess why?
Correct.
It's amazing to me how much these anarcho-capitalists sound like doctrinaire Marxists when making this argument.
"The world has never seen TRUE communism. Just give it a chance. It would work. Everything would be so much better. Really. Trust me."
"The world has never seen TRUE anarchist capitalism. Just give it a chance. It would work. Everything would be so much better. Really. Trust me."
What neither side realizes is that they are comparing what actually exists in the real world to their fantasized utopia and then remarking on the fact that their fantasy looks better than reality. Duh.
You just are ignorant to the successes of true anarcho-capitalism....... |
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RueTheDay
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| Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 1:25 pm Post subject: |
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Revenant wrote: RueTheDay wrote: Free Thinkr wrote: Katsumoto wrote: Free Thinkr wrote: Katsumoto wrote: RueTheDay wrote:
Right. These so-called Anarcho-capitalists (an oxymoron if there ever were one) want all of the benefits of living in a modern nation like the US or a European country, but they don't want to pay for it.
No we just want the freedom to choose our benifits on a free market.
While ignoring that a free market wont exist in a state of anarchy.
Is that a fact? How on earth did you prove that theory without any historical examples of true anarchies available to test it?
True anarchies? Would those be the anarchies that have never existed? Want to venture a guess why?
Correct.
It's amazing to me how much these anarcho-capitalists sound like doctrinaire Marxists when making this argument.
"The world has never seen TRUE communism. Just give it a chance. It would work. Everything would be so much better. Really. Trust me."
"The world has never seen TRUE anarchist capitalism. Just give it a chance. It would work. Everything would be so much better. Really. Trust me."
What neither side realizes is that they are comparing what actually exists in the real world to their fantasized utopia and then remarking on the fact that their fantasy looks better than reality. Duh.
You just are ignorant to the successes of true anarcho-capitalism.......
Name them. I won't hold my breath waiting. |
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RueTheDay
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| Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 1:29 pm Post subject: |
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"As a young teenager in proudly peaceable Canada during the romantic
1960s, I was a true believer in Bakunin's anarchism. I laughed off
my parents' argument that if the government ever laid down its arms
all hell would break loose. Our competing predictions were put to
the test at 8:00 A.M. on October 17, 1969, when the Montreal police
went on strike. By 11:20 A.M. the first bank was robbed. By noon
most downtown stores had closed because of looting. Within a few
more hours, taxi drivers burned down the garage of a limousine
service that competed with them for airport customers, a rooftop
sniper killed a provincial police officer, rioters broke into
several hotels and restaurants, and a doctor slew a burglar in his
suburban home. By the end of the day, six banks had been robbed,
a hundred shops had been looted, twelve fires had been set, forty
carloads of storefront glass had been broken, and three million
dollars in property damage had been inflicted, before city
authorities had to call in the army and, of course, the Mounties
to restore order. This decisive empirical test left my politics
in tatters (and offered a foretaste of life as a scientist)."
--From Steven Pinker's, The Blank Slate |
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Revenant
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| Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 1:30 pm Post subject: |
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RueTheDay wrote: Revenant wrote: RueTheDay wrote: Free Thinkr wrote: Katsumoto wrote: Free Thinkr wrote: Katsumoto wrote: RueTheDay wrote:
Right. These so-called Anarcho-capitalists (an oxymoron if there ever were one) want all of the benefits of living in a modern nation like the US or a European country, but they don't want to pay for it.
No we just want the freedom to choose our benifits on a free market.
While ignoring that a free market wont exist in a state of anarchy.
Is that a fact? How on earth did you prove that theory without any historical examples of true anarchies available to test it?
True anarchies? Would those be the anarchies that have never existed? Want to venture a guess why?
Correct.
It's amazing to me how much these anarcho-capitalists sound like doctrinaire Marxists when making this argument.
"The world has never seen TRUE communism. Just give it a chance. It would work. Everything would be so much better. Really. Trust me."
"The world has never seen TRUE anarchist capitalism. Just give it a chance. It would work. Everything would be so much better. Really. Trust me."
What neither side realizes is that they are comparing what actually exists in the real world to their fantasized utopia and then remarking on the fact that their fantasy looks better than reality. Duh.
You just are ignorant to the successes of true anarcho-capitalism.......
Name them. I won't hold my breath waiting.
Rzapariacia A.D. 1568 - 1781 |
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gavnook
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| Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 4:08 pm Post subject: |
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RueTheDay wrote: "As a young teenager in proudly peaceable Canada during the romantic
1960s, I was a true believer in Bakunin's anarchism. I laughed off
my parents' argument that if the government ever laid down its arms
all hell would break loose. Our competing predictions were put to
the test at 8:00 A.M. on October 17, 1969, when the Montreal police
went on strike. By 11:20 A.M. the first bank was robbed. By noon
most downtown stores had closed because of looting. Within a few
more hours, taxi drivers burned down the garage of a limousine
service that competed with them for airport customers, a rooftop
sniper killed a provincial police officer, rioters broke into
several hotels and restaurants, and a doctor slew a burglar in his
suburban home. By the end of the day, six banks had been robbed,
a hundred shops had been looted, twelve fires had been set, forty
carloads of storefront glass had been broken, and three million
dollars in property damage had been inflicted, before city
authorities had to call in the army and, of course, the Mounties
to restore order. This decisive empirical test left my politics
in tatters (and offered a foretaste of life as a scientist)."
--From Steven Pinker's, The Blank Slate
Well, that's Canada. |
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