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[agentkgb]

The Comrade wrote: agentkgb wrote:
That's fantastic for Israel's finances but it doesn't exactly demonstrate Israel's commitment to killing only people who are militants.


and israels intent of those cluster bombs was for them to explode.


because they didn't that's not israels fault. it's no one's fault.
It's not Israel's fault they didn't explode, but it's certainly Israel's fault thay they chose to use them.

[The Comrade]

agentkgb wrote:
It's not Israel's fault they didn't explode, but it's certainly Israel's fault thay they chose to use them.

they chose to use a weapon that would be highly effective in a given circumstance with the intent they would explode.

because they didn't is no ones blame, except perhaps the designers of the weapon, but that's asinine.

[agentkgb]

The Comrade wrote: agentkgb wrote:
It's not Israel's fault they didn't explode, but it's certainly Israel's fault thay they chose to use them.

they chose to use a weapon that would be highly effective in a given circumstance with the intent they would explode.

because they didn't is no ones blame, except perhaps the designers of the weapon, but that's asinine.
I'm not blaming Israel for the fact that they didn't explode, and I never said I did. I'm saying it's Israel's fault that Israel chose to use them.

[The Comrade]

agentkgb wrote:
I'm not blaming Israel for the fact that they didn't explode, and I never said I did. I'm saying it's Israel's fault that Israel chose to use them.

and it's hezbollahs fault for attacking israel.

[agentkgb]

The Comrade wrote: agentkgb wrote:
I'm not blaming Israel for the fact that they didn't explode, and I never said I did. I'm saying it's Israel's fault that Israel chose to use them.

and it's hezbollahs fault for attacking israel.
Yes, it is indeed Hezbollah's fault that Hezbollah attacked Israel. I'm not sure how that's relevant though. Israel chose to use cluster bombs event though they're obviously not noted for being good for avoiding civilian deaths, and civilians died, and that suggests to me that Israel did not make as much of an effort as it should have to avoid civilian deaths.

[The Comrade]

agentkgb wrote:
Yes, it is indeed Hezbollah's fault that Hezbollah attacked Israel. I'm not sure how that's relevant though. Israel chose to use cluster bombs event though they're obviously not noted for being good for avoiding civilian deaths, and civilians died, and that suggests to me that Israel did not make as much of an effort as it should have to avoid civilian deaths.


considering hezbollah is still active shows how far israel went to avoide civilian casualties.

[agentkgb]

The Comrade wrote: agentkgb wrote:
Yes, it is indeed Hezbollah's fault that Hezbollah attacked Israel. I'm not sure how that's relevant though. Israel chose to use cluster bombs event though they're obviously not noted for being good for avoiding civilian deaths, and civilians died, and that suggests to me that Israel did not make as much of an effort as it should have to avoid civilian deaths.


considering hezbollah is still active shows how far israel went to avoide civilian casualties.
The fact that Hezbollah is still in existence proves that Israel tried to avoid civilian casualties? It might mean that Hezbollah is a guerrilla warfare group and it is difficult to destroy it.

[The Comrade]

agentkgb wrote:
The fact that Hezbollah is still in existence proves that Israel tried to avoid civilian casualties? It might mean that Hezbollah is a guerrilla warfare group and it is difficult to destroy it.



here's how hezbollah could have been destroyed.

1)israel could have crossed the litani and started a full forcce ground invasion and occupation of lebanon. since lebanon s a small country it would not be hard to take control of the cities and monitor everything going on in the country
2)israel could have disregarded all the warnings of civilians in the area and slaughtered thousands of more people in order to get at the militants
3)israel could have not dropped leaflets telling people where they were bombing, and thus hezbollah would not have known where and when the attacks were coming from

since all three of those were avoided hezbollah is still active.

[MoscowMatt]

ALi* wrote: Nazi Tactics by Israel and America in the Phony War On Terror
By Joel Fischer



Quote: 10/02/06 "Information Clearing House" -- -- As a Jew who witnessed the loss of 6,000,000 of my fellow Jews, most likely including members of my own extended family who were still in Europe, in the brutal Nazi slaughter of the Holocaust, I believe I know Nazi tactics when I see them. Because of this deeply personal history, I am sickened by the Nazi-like tactics being used by the Israelis in Gaza and Lebanon. These tactics are fully supported by the Bush administration as legitimate attempts at "self defense" against the alleged incursions by Palestinian and Hezbollah guerillas. This collusion between the US and the Israelis is so similar to the Axis Powers of World War II that I believe they constitute a new "Axis OF Powers" for the 21st Century. This Axis links Israel, the most militaristic country in the Middle East, with the United States, the most militaristic country in the world, in a quest to dominate, intimidate and develop their hegemony over other countries.

So, what are these Nazi-like tactics being used by the new Axis of Powers?

TERROR BOMBINGS; CONDUCTING A BRUTAL WAR AGAINST CIVILIANS.

The "shock and awe" bombing strategy used by the US and Israel are simply another name for the brutal bombings of civilian populations used by the Nazis in World War II. The current horrific wars against innocent men, women and children are geared toward intimidation, terror and fear among the civilian population in a depraved attempt to get them to pressure their own regime to submit, abdicate or surrender. The Axis even goes so far as to deliberately and brutally target infrastructure such as power plants and even supply routes bringing food and medicine to civilians, in an effort to make life indescribably more horrible for innocent civilians. In fact, Amnesty International has accused Israel of war crimes stating that Israel broke international law by deliberately destroying LEBANON'S (not Hezbollah's) civilian infrastructure! These are the war strategies the US used in Iraq and Afghanistan and Israel is using in Palestine and Lebanon. Tens of thousands of innocent people have been killed in Iraq, Afghanistan, Lebanon and Palestine by these Nazi-like tactics by Israel and America.

The US and Israel don't stop with terror bombings. Invading other countries illegally, they then continue to intimidate the civilian populations by illegal and unethical searches of peoples' homes, dragging men and sometimes women into the street hooded and trussed up like animals. Nothing can be more humiliating....

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article15185.htm

http://informationclearinghouse.info/ : News you won't find on CNN.

:roll: :roll: :roll:

Quote: The US and Israel don't stop with terror bombings. Invading other countries illegally

Oh would that be illegally under the eyes of the UN who can never actually agree on anything? Guess what Russia and China wanted to keep the Middle East sweet because of economics i.e oil supply. So they will NEVER agree to anything the US wants to do no matter how morally right it might be i.e removal of the tyrant Saddam. Hence you end up with an 'illegal' invasion but based on economy and not moral issues. Does that sound right to you? But of course you dumb idiots just don't f**king get it do you!!!

Serbia too was an illegal invasion but it removed a tyrant too and everybody said well done. Funny that don't you think?? Bit of hypocrasy going on is there not.

Here's an idea. Stop the terror attacks on the West and we will stop attacking you. It's so bloody simple it hurts!!

Yes Nazi tactics involved Blitzkrieg and they used it well with great sucess. It's a good tactic. So no wonder the US wanted to try it.

[agentkgb]

The Comrade wrote: agentkgb wrote:
The fact that Hezbollah is still in existence proves that Israel tried to avoid civilian casualties? It might mean that Hezbollah is a guerrilla warfare group and it is difficult to destroy it.



here's how hezbollah could have been destroyed.

1)israel could have crossed the litani and started a full forcce ground invasion and occupation of lebanon. since lebanon s a small country it would not be hard to take control of the cities and monitor everything going on in the country
2)israel could have disregarded all the warnings of civilians in the area and slaughtered thousands of more people in order to get at the militants
3)israel could have not dropped leaflets telling people where they were bombing, and thus hezbollah would not have known where and when the attacks were coming from

since all three of those were avoided hezbollah is still active.
I'm not saying Israel took no precautions to avoid civilian casualties, I'm saying they didn't do anywhere near enough.

[The Comrade]

agentkgb wrote: I'm not saying Israel took no precautions to avoid civilian casualties, I'm saying they didn't do anywhere near enough.

and i've shown you that israel did as much as any army possibly could to avoide civilian casualties.

[agentkgb]

The Comrade wrote: and i've shown you that israel did as much as any army possibly could to avoide civilian casualties.
As much as they possibly could? They could have not used cluster bombs from 1974, they could have done everything possible to help evacuations, they could have allowed all aid in, but they didn't.

[MoscowMatt]

agentkgb wrote: they could have done everything possible to help evacuations, they could have allowed all aid in, but they didn't.


I know... Anybody would have thought they were at --->WAR<--- or something!!! :duh1:

[agentkgb]

MoscowMatt wrote: agentkgb wrote: they could have done everything possible to help evacuations, they could have allowed all aid in, but they didn't.


I know... Anybody would have thought they were at --->WAR<--- or something!!! :duh1:
My point being that Israel didn't have helping civilans as one of its priorities. Evacuating civilians won't help Hezbollah, and while food/medicine/etc could help militants also tell that to the people who didn't get that aid.

[MoscowMatt]

agentkgb wrote: MoscowMatt wrote: agentkgb wrote: they could have done everything possible to help evacuations, they could have allowed all aid in, but they didn't.


I know... Anybody would have thought they were at --->WAR<--- or something!!! :duh1:
My point being that Israel didn't have helping civilans as one of its priorities. Evacuating civilians won't help Hezbollah, and while food/medicine/etc could help militants also tell that to the people who didn't get that aid.

Why the hell should they?? In WWII did we flatten Dresden and then the next day parachute in aid!!!! What the hell is the world coming to?!!!! :roll: Did Hezbollah send aid to Israeli citizens? Israel had NO obligation whatsoever to help. Yeah they send in medicine and hezbollah seize it for their injured combatants. My what a great idea!!! :roll:

[agentkgb]

Being at war isn't an excuse for completely disregarding the lives of civilians.

[The Comrade]

agentkgb wrote: The Comrade wrote: and i've shown you that israel did as much as any army possibly could to avoide civilian casualties.
As much as they possibly could? They could have not used cluster bombs from 1974, they could have done everything possible to help evacuations, they could have allowed all aid in, but they didn't.

yeah some of those "aid" vehicles were smuggling weapons in from iran.

thsoe cluster bombs were the most effective weapons israel could have used

and israel wouldn't commit ground troops, so helping evacuations would be impossible.

[cap'n queasy]

nrhy wrote: The Comrade wrote: lilwolf wrote: Looks to me that hezbollah are the ones with Nazi type mentality. They even have it down to the salute.... :lol: :lol: :lol:



sieg heil!

yeah um...the salute has been used by armies that existed before and after the nazi times. Hizbullah´s sworn enemy is israel and not the jews.

You say this, yet below your name you say you are a Lebanese national socialist.... Strange.

It's the attacks on Jews by Muslim extremists that is the biggest tip-off that they are basically nothing other than Nazis.

[agentkgb]

The Comrade wrote: yeah some of those "aid" vehicles were smuggling weapons in from iran.
Ans some of them would have saved lives.
The Comrade wrote: thsoe cluster bombs were the most effective weapons israel could have used
But also the most likely to kill civilians.
The Comrade wrote: and israel wouldn't commit ground troops, so helping evacuations would be impossible.
They didn't have to make it harder to evacuate.

[The Comrade]

agentkgb wrote:
Ans some of them would have saved lives.

and there is no way to tell which is which.


agentkgb wrote: But also the most likely to kill civilians.

war itself is the most likely thing to kill civilians.






agentkgb wrote: They didn't have to make it harder to evacuate.

So hezbollah could "EvacuatE" with the israerli soldiers?