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The Comrade · Joined: 16 Jul 2006 Posts: 12039 Location: Zagreb

lovebush wrote:
I have never been taught to hate anyone. try again.

i'll believe what i see read and hear before i believe someone with a one liner.

CountryGuy · Joined: 04 Feb 2006 Posts: 1117 Location: Pennsylvania

The Comrade wrote: lovebush wrote:
I have never been taught to hate anyone. try again.

i'll believe what i see read and hear before i believe someone with a one liner.

Sources? Comrade is claiming first-hand experience. You're not.

lovebush · Joined: 02 Aug 2006 Posts: 1147

superskippy wrote: Quote: Your statements epimomize your obvious ignorance. Since when is it the Christians who go out and commit murders? Its the children of the devil who do such. And show me examples of mainstream Christian sects preaching hatred? You can't. And we have brainwashed hate Christianity zealots parroting this empty crap....please.

While I could point out several Christian terrorist groups and some rebel Christian armies and sects in other nations, the point he was making seems to be one of historical irony at the Popes words. At least that is what I drew from it and it makes a good deal of sense when looking at the irony of his words in the face of the churches history.

the irony makes the point all the more relevant. the Catholic church has reformed and rejected violence and is calling on others to do the same.
As for "Christian violence", google it. then google "muslim violence" there is no comparisan. and most of the hits for "Christian violence" are about violence AGAINST Christians, by guess who???? the exceptions are mostly historical and Amish "rake fighting"(those Amish are tougher than they look). the other reason any comparison falls flat is when you compare the actions of these sects with the teaching and actions of the founders of each religion. Did Jesus ever command his followers to kill anyone? NO Did he kill anyone himself? NO What were his marching orders? Go and TEACH others all that I have taught you... What did he teach? do unto others what you'ld have done to you. love your enemies. forgiveness. feed the hungry. clothe the naked. So when some have committed violence in the name of Christianity, they have clearly departed from what was taught. but that is not the case with islam.

lovebush · Joined: 02 Aug 2006 Posts: 1147

The Comrade wrote: lovebush wrote:
I have never been taught to hate anyone. try again.

i'll believe what i see read and hear before i believe someone with a one liner.

I have no steak in what you believe, so go ahead and be wrong if you like. :wink:

The Comrade · Joined: 16 Jul 2006 Posts: 12039 Location: Zagreb

lovebush wrote:

I have no steak in what you believe, so go ahead and be wrong if you like. :wink:

:wink: :wink: :wink: :wink: :wink:

i guess emoticons make you witty.

when i see an evengelical preacher on tv talking about how other religions=satan and everyone is going to hell. then i see them preaching on my street corners throwing bibles at people and screaming. then when i see them pull their bulls**t "miracles" and force satan out of people because they danced or some bulls**t like that.

yeah i'm deffinatly wrong on this one.

superskippy · Joined: 14 Jul 2005 Posts: 8672 Location: Petah Tikva

Quote: If you can, then why don't you?

Know much about Islams history?

The KKK, the Lords Resistance Army, The Maronite radical groups, the Phalange radical groups, NLFT of India, God Army of Myanmar, Christian terrorists in Northern Ireland, etc. Of course Islamic groups are far more prevalent and deadly.

Yes I do know quite a bit about Islams history from it's start in the wastes of Arabia to the modern day.

lovebush · Joined: 02 Aug 2006 Posts: 1147

The Comrade wrote: lovebush wrote:

I have no steak in what you believe, so go ahead and be wrong if you like. :wink:

:wink: :wink: :wink: :wink: :wink:

i guess emoticons make you witty.

when i see an evengelical preacher on tv talking about how other religions=satan and everyone is going to hell. then i see them preaching on my street corners throwing bibles at people and screaming. then when i see them pull their bulls**t "miracles" and force satan out of people because they danced or some bulls**t like that.

yeah i'm deffinatly wrong on this one.

Does it really escape you that the millions of evangelicals are actually to boring to make it onto TV. the belief that there are people that are going to hell doesnt mean we are happy about it, in fact we dont want people to go to hell. If you believe people are going to be killed in Iraq today, would that mean that you hate those people? No it is more likely to mean that you are concerned about those people. the :wink: was in fact meant to indicate that my comment given in a light hearted manor as not to offend you. however if you wish to be offended, then have it your way, whatever makes you happy, or in your case happy to be unhappy. :wink:

The Comrade · Joined: 16 Jul 2006 Posts: 12039 Location: Zagreb

lovebush wrote:

Does it really escape you that the millions of evangelicals are actually to boring to make it onto TV. the belief that there are people that are going to hell doesnt mean we are happy about it, in fact we dont want people to go to hell. If you believe people are going to be killed in Iraq today, would that mean that you hate those people? No it is more likely to mean that you are concerned about those people. the :wink: was in fact meant to indicate that my comment given in a light hearted manor as not to offend you. however if you wish to be offended, then have it your way, whatever makes you happy, or in your case happy to be unhappy. :wink:

:wink: :wink: :wink: :wink: :wink: :wink: :wink: :wink:

you haven't proven to me how most evengelicals don't buy into the crap that is their mainstream beliefs.

like i said, i'll believe the massive amount of evengelical hatred i witness rather then believe one person on an internet forum who has yet to prove to me how his own religion ins't hateful.

lovebush · Joined: 02 Aug 2006 Posts: 1147

[quote="superskippy"] Quote: If you can, then why don't you?

Know much about Islams history?

The KKK, the Lords Resistance Army, The Maronite radical groups, the Phalange radical groups, NLFT of India, God Army of Myanmar, Christian terrorists in Northern Ireland, etc. Of course Islamic groups are far more prevalent and deadly.

Can you connect their actions to the teachings of Jesus or is it enough for you that they claim to be Christians? Do they claim to commit violence for the propagation of Christianity , or do they have other motives ?

lovebush · Joined: 02 Aug 2006 Posts: 1147

The Comrade wrote: lovebush wrote:

Does it really escape you that the millions of evangelicals are actually to boring to make it onto TV. the belief that there are people that are going to hell doesnt mean we are happy about it, in fact we dont want people to go to hell. If you believe people are going to be killed in Iraq today, would that mean that you hate those people? No it is more likely to mean that you are concerned about those people. the :wink: was in fact meant to indicate that my comment given in a light hearted manor as not to offend you. however if you wish to be offended, then have it your way, whatever makes you happy, or in your case happy to be unhappy. :wink:

:wink: :wink: :wink: :wink: :wink: :wink: :wink: :wink:

you haven't proven to me how most evengelicals don't buy into the crap that is their mainstream beliefs.

like i said, i'll believe the massive amount of evengelical hatred i witness rather then believe one person on an internet forum who has yet to prove to me how his own religion ins't hateful.

Actually it is you that made the assertion so the burden of proof is on you. Im not so insecure as to think I need to convince you of anything. I have only answered you to demonstrate to others who read this, how unfounded your assertions are. :-D this is the very happy guy, he indicates my satisfaction with your inability to prove your point.

The Comrade · Joined: 16 Jul 2006 Posts: 12039 Location: Zagreb

lovebush wrote:

Actually it is you that made the assertion so the burden of proof is on you. Im not so insecure as to think I need to convince you of anything. I have only answered you to demonstrate to others who read this, how unfounded your assertions are. :-D this is the very happy guy, he indicates my satisfaction with your inability to prove your point.

okay let me get in my time machine, video tape my experiences, then post them for you.

Get real.

the "burden of proof" is on you to prove your own religion is not hate filled. something you have failed to do via skirting around the subject.

prove your religon doesn't preach hate and or move on.

el_hombre_de_Dios · Posted: Sat Oct 14, 2006 12:51 pm Post subject:

The Comrade wrote: lovebush wrote:
I have never been taught to hate anyone. try again.

i'll believe what i see read and hear before i believe someone with a one liner.

:lol: What do you do then...live in front of your computer? Why don't you actually go out and talk to some people once in a while instead of showing that your thoughts have been assigned to you by the leftist disinformation machine.

The Comrade · Joined: 16 Jul 2006 Posts: 12039 Location: Zagreb

el_hombre_de_Dios wrote:

:lol: What do you do then...live in front of your computer? Why don't you actually go out and talk to some people once in a while instead of showing that your thoughts have been assigned to you by the leftist disinformation machine.

i bet those preachers on the street corners and those rediculous evengelical tv programs are some leftist conspiracy.

good one!

el_hombre_de_Dios · Posted: Sat Oct 14, 2006 5:08 pm Post subject:

The Comrade wrote: el_hombre_de_Dios wrote:

:lol: What do you do then...live in front of your computer? Why don't you actually go out and talk to some people once in a while instead of showing that your thoughts have been assigned to you by the leftist disinformation machine.

i bet those preachers on the street corners and those rediculous evengelical tv programs are some leftist conspiracy.

good one!

As 'lovebush' said, "Actually it is you that made the assertion so the burden of proof is on you.". In any school of HIGHER LEARNING it is the one who postulates a premise who is required to submit proof of that premise. And since you have shown nothing but duplicity to back your ridiculous assertions, may we thus infer you have no proof? :lol:
The Comrade wrote: like i said, i'll believe the massive amount of evengelical hatred i witness rather then believe one person on an internet forum who has yet to prove to me how his own religion ins't hateful.

You witness? Where? i-....and please post some reference other than obvious lunatic fringe web pages, won't you? :roll:

jeechoscopy · Posted: Sat Oct 14, 2006 7:24 pm Post subject:

Whatever his speech was, intellectual or fractous, desolated the chance of healthy conversation between the two religions.

The more the responsible personalite are behaving the way, the less a chance of a successful dialogue would be there.

Show me a responsible person of Muslim world of the day who hit a religion the way Pope did.

el_hombre_de_Dios · Posted: Sat Oct 14, 2006 7:34 pm Post subject:

jeechoscopy wrote: Whatever his speech was, intellectual or fractous, desolated the chance of healthy conversation between the two religions.

The more the responsible personalites would behaving the way, the less a chance of a successful dialogue would be there.

Show me a responsible person of Muslim world of the day who hit a religion the way Pope did.

He didn't do it in the first place. His speech was about how violence is incompatible with the nature of God. He was using the quote as a reference, not as a statement to support his views.

Islam needs to get a life instead of living as if it were in a perpetual chump complex. It seems that any word or statement given cross wise that confronts its duplicity sets off another jihad. :lol:

superskippy · Joined: 14 Jul 2005 Posts: 8672 Location: Petah Tikva

Quote: Can you connect their actions to the teachings of Jesus or is it enough for you that they claim to be Christians? Do they claim to commit violence for the propagation of Christianity , or do they have other motives ?

All you said I had to do was list examples of christian groups that are terrorists. These aforementioned groups are soley christian groups that commit terrorism each situation is of course different. Several like the NLFT of India, and God Army of Myanmar are solely religious terrorist and rebel groups. While the Northern Ireland terrorists have a mix of religious and political motives. While the KKK is a radical white seperatist, christian supremacist, group that has members that have committed acts of terrorism.

The Newb · Joined: 06 Oct 2006 Posts: 2668

superskippy wrote: Quote: Can you connect their actions to the teachings of Jesus or is it enough for you that they claim to be Christians? Do they claim to commit violence for the propagation of Christianity , or do they have other motives ?

All you said I had to do was list examples of christian groups that are terrorists. These aforementioned groups are soley christian groups that commit terrorism each situation is of course different. Several like the NLFT of India, and God Army of Myanmar are solely religious terrorist and rebel groups. While the Northern Ireland terrorists have a mix of religious and political motives. While the KKK is a radical white seperatist, christian supremacist, group that has members that have committed acts of terrorism.

you forgot one
ireland protestants?

lovebush · Joined: 02 Aug 2006 Posts: 1147

superskippy wrote: Quote: Can you connect their actions to the teachings of Jesus or is it enough for you that they claim to be Christians? Do they claim to commit violence for the propagation of Christianity , or do they have other motives ?

All you said I had to do was list examples of christian groups that are terrorists. These aforementioned groups are soley christian groups that commit terrorism each situation is of course different. Several like the NLFT of India, and God Army of Myanmar are solely religious terrorist and rebel groups. While the Northern Ireland terrorists have a mix of religious and political motives. While the KKK is a radical white seperatist, christian supremacist, group that has members that have committed acts of terrorism.

then you wont mind conceding that their terrorist actions are in no way in keeping with Christian teachings and neither follow the words or deeds of Jesus? was it I that asked you for examples? maybe it was, Im on so many threads it sometimes gets hard to keep them straight.

superskippy · Joined: 14 Jul 2005 Posts: 8672 Location: Petah Tikva

I never said they did follow with the teachings of Christ. But there are Christian terrorists.