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[el_hombre_de_Dios]

Quote: VATICAN CITY - Pope Benedict XVI met Thursday with representatives of a Jewish group and said that religion should never be used to justify hatred and violence.

"May the Eternal One, our Father in heaven, bless every effort to eliminate from our world any misuse of religion as an excuse for hatred or violence," Benedict told a delegation of the Anti-Defamation League, a U.S. group that fights racism and anti-Semitism.

The comments came a month after Benedict's speech at a German university sparked anger in the Muslim world when he quoted a medieval text that characterized some of the Prophet Muhammad's teachings as "evil and inhuman" and called Islam a religion spread by the sword.

Since the uproar over the speech — which has raised a cloud over his planned visit next month to predominantly Islamic Turkey — Benedict has expressed his regrets for offending Muslims.

He has stressed that the quote didn't reflect his own opinion, saying his address was intended as an invitation to frank dialogue between religions.

Benedict repeated such a call in Thursday's Vatican meeting with the ADL, saying that while Catholic-Jewish relations have greatly improved over recent years, initial steps "toward a more open conversation on religious themes" have so far been too tentative.

"It is precisely at this level of frank exchange and dialogue that we will find the basis and the motivation for a solid and fruitful relationship," he said.

The aim of such dialogue, he said earlier in the speech, is "to build relationships not just of tolerance but of authentic respect."

Abraham Foxman, national director of the ADL, said his group supports Benedict's desire for honest interfaith dialogue, particularly when it comes to relations with Muslims.

"If we really feel our faith is the only one that is right, how can we still have dialogue? The answer is that we must believe we have a truth, not the truth. As long as we believe that we can respect other truths," Foxman told The Associated Press in a telephone interview after the meeting. "This is the dialogue we need to have, both Jews and Christians, with the Muslims."

In his speech Thursday, the pope also reiterated his condemnation of anti-Semitism, saying that "the church deplores all forms of hatred or persecution directed against the Jews and all displays of anti-Semitism at any time and from any source."

A call for Islam to open its eye's and start talking with other religions. Islam has always been a little xenophobic, and to this day preaches such. Many of its precepts prove to be either of human origin or they were meant by God as temporal decrees, as they have outlived their applicability. What I'm saying is that God speaks to humanity on two levels. One way is to establish precepts and laws that are meant for temporal use; and one for eternal use. (An example was the Mosaic law which was meant to be but temporary, as God foretold thought the prophets he would abolish it by establishing "a new covenant".) If a precept of law has as its origin a decree as coming from God its has a distinct ear mark of being universally applicable. The problem with Islam is it needs to abandon the temporal part of its laws that were meant to serve it not eternally, but temporally. Put plainly, the jihad bit and more than a few other ideations should be scraped. In short, Islam's theological department needs a divine house cleaning.

[jeechoscopy]

It's very unfortunate of humanity that a Pope uses a quote against a religion. Though, the blasphemous words were not his own but he chooses the quote from more than one billion quotes about Islam. He after all, uses the religion for exemplifying his hatred. Criticism on the addressing is not unreasonable.


It's the time when the majority of Muslims are far from education and almost unable to persuade the speedy world. But it's not however, Islam that condemns the development in all aspect of life -as you mentioned. The immediate need of a Muslim is education... thus, you would be giving them another chance to be with together, the west and the rest of the world.

I'm afraid to say the chance is grasped by invading one by one... by sword.

[Snake]

I think the Pope is just trying to cover his ass for stating something he knew would piss people off, though in all honesty, it's not to hard to start a riot in the muslim comunity these days. What gives?

[The Comrade]

when someone makes remarks about islam being violent, why is it that they respond to it by setting things on fire and shooting at people?


that seems to only show they aren't peaceful

[Snake]

They need to chill the fock out. Either that or develop a sense of humor.

[Fido]

My hitler youth Pope cannot use religion for anything other than as a search for God. All other uses, are not uses in fact; but misuses.

[Snake]

My God can kick your gods ass!!!!

[micfranklin]

The Comrade wrote: when someone makes remarks about islam being violent, why is it that they respond to it by setting things on fire and shooting at people?


that seems to only show they aren't peaceful

Claiming they're not violent and then causing mass riots when someone makes a remark about Islam destroys all credibility they have.

[F'losrix]

The Pope condemns the use of religion for hate?

:rotf:

Thanks, I needed a good laugh.

[el_hombre_de_Dios]

F'losrix wrote: The Pope condemns the use of religion for hate?

:rotf:

Thanks, I needed a good laugh.

Your statements epimomize your obvious ignorance. Since when is it the Christians who go out and commit murders? Its the children of the devil who do such. And show me examples of mainstream Christian sects preaching hatred? You can't. And we have brainwashed hate Christianity zealots parroting this empty crap....please.

[The Comrade]

el_hombre_de_Dios wrote: F'losrix wrote: The Pope condemns the use of religion for hate?

:rotf:

Thanks, I needed a good laugh.

Your statements epimomize your obvious ignorance. Since when is it the Christians who go out and commit murders? Its the children of the devil who do such. And show me examples of mainstream Christian sects preaching hatred? You can't. And we have brainwashed hate Christianity zealots parroting this empty crap....please.

evengelicals.

[CommiepinkoLefty]

The Comrade wrote: el_hombre_de_Dios wrote: F'losrix wrote: The Pope condemns the use of religion for hate?

:rotf:

Thanks, I needed a good laugh.

Your statements epimomize your obvious ignorance. Since when is it the Christians who go out and commit murders? Its the children of the devil who do such. And show me examples of mainstream Christian sects preaching hatred? You can't. And we have brainwashed hate Christianity zealots parroting this empty crap....please.

evengelicals.

owned lol... yeah you don't have to look real far to see examples of Christians preaching hate... What did our good old friend Pat say about Chavez? "LET'S TAKE HIM OUT!"... very peaceful indeed.

[superskippy]

Quote: Your statements epimomize your obvious ignorance. Since when is it the Christians who go out and commit murders? Its the children of the devil who do such. And show me examples of mainstream Christian sects preaching hatred? You can't. And we have brainwashed hate Christianity zealots parroting this empty crap....please.

While I could point out several Christian terrorist groups and some rebel Christian armies and sects in other nations, the point he was making seems to be one of historical irony at the Popes words. At least that is what I drew from it and it makes a good deal of sense when looking at the irony of his words in the face of the churches history.

[el_hombre_de_Dios]

CommiepinkoLefty wrote: The Comrade wrote: el_hombre_de_Dios wrote: F'losrix wrote: The Pope condemns the use of religion for hate?

:rotf:

Thanks, I needed a good laugh.

Your statements epimomize your obvious ignorance. Since when is it the Christians who go out and commit murders? Its the children of the devil who do such. And show me examples of mainstream Christian sects preaching hatred? You can't. And we have brainwashed hate Christianity zealots parroting this empty crap....please.

evengelicals.

owned lol... yeah you don't have to look real far to see examples of Christians preaching hate... What did our good old friend Pat say about Chavez? "LET'S TAKE HIM OUT!"... very peaceful indeed.

Quote: VIRGINIA BEACH, Va., August 24, 2005--I want to take this opportunity to clarify remarks made on the Monday, August 22nd edition of The 700 Club where I adlibbed a comment following a very brilliant analysis by Dale Hurd of the danger that the United States faces from the out-of-control dictator of Venezuela, Hugo Chavez. In this story, Col. Chavez repeatedly claimed that Americans were “trying to assassinate him.”

In my frustration that the U.S. and the world community are ignoring this threat, I said the following:

Thanks, Dale. If you look back just a few years, there was a popular coup that overthrew him; and what did the United States State Department do about it? Virtually nothing; and as a result, within about 48 hours, that coup was broken, Chavez was back in power. But we had a chance to move in. He has destroyed the Venezuelan economy, and he’s going to make that a launching pad for communist infiltration and Muslim extremism all over the continent. I don’t know about this doctrine of assassination, but if he thinks we’re trying to assassinate him, I think we really ought to go ahead and do it. It’s a whole lot cheaper than starting a war, and I don’t think any oil shipments will stop. But this man is a terrific danger, and this is in our sphere of influence, so we can’t let this happen. We have the Monroe Doctrine, and we have other doctrines that we have announced, and without question, this is a dangerous enemy to our south, controlling a huge pool of oil that could hurt us very badly. We have the ability to take him out, and I think the time has come that we exercise that ability. We don’t need another 200-billion-dollar war to get rid of one strong-arm dictator. It’s a whole lot easier to have some of the covert operatives do the job and then get it over with.

Is it right to call for assassination? No, and I apologize for that statement. I spoke in frustration that we should accommodate the man who thinks the U.S. is out to kill him.

Col. Chavez has found common cause with terrorists such as the noted assassin Carlos the Jackal, has visited Iran reportedly to gain access to nuclear technology, and has referred to Saddam Hussein and Fidel Castro as his comrades. Col. Chavez also intends to fund the violent overthrow of democratically elected governments throughout South America, beginning with neighboring Colombia.

As I report the news daily from around the world, I am acutely conscious of the fact that our nation is at war. Not only are there active wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, but there is a war of terror being waged against civilized nations throughout the world.

We are in the midst of a war that is draining vast amounts of our treasure and is costing the blood of our armed forces. I am a person who believes in peace, but not peace at any price. However, I said before the war in Iraq began that the wisest course would be to wage war against Saddam Hussein, not the whole nation of Iraq. When faced with the threat of a comparable dictator in our own hemisphere, would it not be wiser to wage war against one person rather than finding ourselves down the road locked in a bitter struggle with a whole nation?

The brilliant Protestant theologian, Dietrich Bonhoeffer, who lived under the hellish conditions of Nazi Germany, is reported to have said:

“If I see a madman driving a car into a group of innocent bystanders, then I can’t, as a Christian, simply wait for the catastrophe and then comfort the wounded and bury the dead. I must try to wrestle the steering wheel out of the hands of the driver.”




Yes lets push distortions as truth. Focus on the exception so it thus taints the whole. What blind lemming like logic. :lol:

I'm sure many Americans will be laughing when Mexico turns Marxists and over runs America with ease, because of the open door policy of leftism. That's part of why he said that.

But to get away from the obvious hate mongering of the ignortant left. The Pope is a man of peace and then we have the zealots of leftist hatred spewing more empty hate crap...but the worse part is they believe they're people without prejudices. :lol:

[CountryGuy]

When you've gone back and read the quote and how it was used in his speech, please feel free and come back to explain how you were wrong.

He didn't use a quote to say something negative about Islam. In fact, he was using it to show that religion should never be used as a reason for hate. It was an intellectual speech, and "citizen journalists" got word out without listening to its entirety -- Or even understanding it.

[Angelicus]

CommiepinkoLefty wrote: The Comrade wrote: el_hombre_de_Dios wrote: F'losrix wrote: The Pope condemns the use of religion for hate?

:rotf:

Thanks, I needed a good laugh.

Your statements epimomize your obvious ignorance. Since when is it the Christians who go out and commit murders? Its the children of the devil who do such. And show me examples of mainstream Christian sects preaching hatred? You can't. And we have brainwashed hate Christianity zealots parroting this empty crap....please.

evengelicals.

owned lol... yeah you don't have to look real far to see examples of Christians preaching hate... What did our good old friend Pat say about Chavez? "LET'S TAKE HIM OUT!"... very peaceful indeed.

As opposed too invading an entire nation, killing lots of civilians, and destroying the nations infrastructure, yeah the much more peaceful thing to do is too just take the bad guy out.

[Angelicus]

superskippy wrote: Quote: Your statements epimomize your obvious ignorance. Since when is it the Christians who go out and commit murders? Its the children of the devil who do such. And show me examples of mainstream Christian sects preaching hatred? You can't. And we have brainwashed hate Christianity zealots parroting this empty crap....please.

While I could point out several Christian terrorist groups and some rebel Christian armies and sects in other nations, the point he was making seems to be one of historical irony at the Popes words. At least that is what I drew from it and it makes a good deal of sense when looking at the irony of his words in the face of the churches history.

If you can, then why don't you?

Know much about Islams history?

[CommiepinkoLefty]

Angelicus wrote: CommiepinkoLefty wrote: The Comrade wrote: el_hombre_de_Dios wrote: F'losrix wrote: The Pope condemns the use of religion for hate?

:rotf:

Thanks, I needed a good laugh.

Your statements epimomize your obvious ignorance. Since when is it the Christians who go out and commit murders? Its the children of the devil who do such. And show me examples of mainstream Christian sects preaching hatred? You can't. And we have brainwashed hate Christianity zealots parroting this empty crap....please.

evengelicals.

owned lol... yeah you don't have to look real far to see examples of Christians preaching hate... What did our good old friend Pat say about Chavez? "LET'S TAKE HIM OUT!"... very peaceful indeed.

As opposed too invading an entire nation, killing lots of civilians, and destroying the nations infrastructure, yeah the much more peaceful thing to do is too just take the bad guy out.

Um Chavez is an elected official. So basically that's like saying "I hate Bush we should take him out!". Taking out a legitimatly elected official is wrong on many levels, and it's one of MANY examples of Christians preaching hate.

[lovebush]

jeechoscopy wrote: It's very unfortunate of humanity that a Pope uses a quote against a religion. Though, the blasphemous words were not his own but he chooses the quote from more than one billion quotes about Islam. He after all, uses the religion for exemplifying his hatred. Criticism on the addressing is not unreasonable.


It's the time when the majority of Muslims are far from education and almost unable to persuade the speedy world. But it's not however, Islam that condemns the development in all aspect of life -as you mentioned. The immediate need of a Muslim is education... thus, you would be giving them another chance to be with together, the west and the rest of the world.

I'm afraid to say the chance is grasped by invading one by one... by sword.

how do you educate, when the people who are doing the educating are the same ones who teach hate.

[lovebush]

The Comrade wrote: [

Your statements epimomize your obvious ignorance. Since when is it the Christians who go out and commit murders? Its the children of the devil who do such. And show me examples of mainstream Christian sects preaching hatred? You can't. And we have brainwashed hate Christianity zealots parroting this empty crap....please.

evengelicals.[/quote]

I have never been taught to hate anyone. try again.