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airo
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britboy wrote: lilwolf wrote: Yes, but remember we who understand and appreciate our right to own are bad. These four wise men in that little poster speak volumes to those that are afraid of guns ....I like the poster.
Would you like to live in a society where you knew you would never need to resort to using a gun to defend yourself?
I live in that place. It's nice. I feel sorry for you and the fact you don't believe such a place can even exist -- when I actually live there! It's kind of sad, but also kind of funny. How old are you?
How can you say, that in the remainder of you lifetime, you will NEVER need to use a firearm to defend yourself? |
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perdidochas
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airo wrote: britboy wrote: lilwolf wrote: Yes, but remember we who understand and appreciate our right to own are bad. These four wise men in that little poster speak volumes to those that are afraid of guns ....I like the poster.
Would you like to live in a society where you knew you would never need to resort to using a gun to defend yourself?
I live in that place. It's nice. I feel sorry for you and the fact you don't believe such a place can even exist -- when I actually live there! It's kind of sad, but also kind of funny. How old are you?
How can you say, that in the remainder of you lifetime, you will NEVER need to use a firearm to defend yourself?
I honestly hope that I will never need to use a firearm to defend myself. I actually very much doubt that I ever will need to use a firearm to defend myself. However, I feel the same about my smoke alarms. I own both guns and smoke alarms for the small chance that I might need to use them. If I need those things, and don't have them, I can't imagine being in a much worse position. |
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lilwolf
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britboy wrote: lilwolf wrote: Yes, but remember we who understand and appreciate our right to own are bad. These four wise men in that little poster speak volumes to those that are afraid of guns ....I like the poster.
Would you like to live in a society where you knew you would never need to resort to using a gun to defend yourself?
I live in that place. It's nice. I feel sorry for you and the fact you don't believe such a place can even exist -- when I actually live there! It's kind of sad, but also kind of funny.
If you think that where you live is a utopia...have a nice illusion. There are guns galore in your part of the world and you do not see them.
First off I like the idea of having guns around.They help keep the bad guys away ...even if you don't believe it.
Besides no such society exists this side of heaven or hell. Sorry but I feel sorry for you having to have that illusion...and that is funny. |
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britboy
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lilwolf wrote: britboy wrote: lilwolf wrote: Yes, but remember we who understand and appreciate our right to own are bad. These four wise men in that little poster speak volumes to those that are afraid of guns ....I like the poster.
Would you like to live in a society where you knew you would never need to resort to using a gun to defend yourself?
I live in that place. It's nice. I feel sorry for you and the fact you don't believe such a place can even exist -- when I actually live there! It's kind of sad, but also kind of funny.
If you think that where you live is a utopia...have a nice illusion. There are guns galore in your part of the world and you do not see them.
First off I like the idea of having guns around.They help keep the bad guys away ...even if you don't believe it.
Besides no such society exists this side of heaven or hell. Sorry but I feel sorry for you having to have that illusion...and that is funny.
Just imagine what I'd be thinking now if I actually did live in a place where no-one ever saw a handgun, no one ever expected to, virtually none of the criminals had them, they simply did not need to be part of the society. I know you don't believe such a place exists, and that criminals run amok here in London compared to the US. :roll:
If such a place did exist, and say, just for fun, I lived there -- what you typed would sound really silly about now wouldn't it.
However, sitting here by my PC typing -- you can't imagine how much I feel I need a weapon to defend myself. Wow I'm scared! scared I tell you that suddenly my door is going to get kicked in. Even though no-one in my street has a gun. No-one for miles and miles around. You'll never believe me -- whatever I say -- but just for the book, at the moment I am not scared even though I am in my house WITHOUT A LOADED HANDGUN! Madness eg? I must be some crazy fool not to be in a cold sweat ... :roll: So naive :roll: |
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wyldejackyl
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You don't get it, and I fear you never will. You exaggerate to the point of nonsense. No one that owns a gun is afraid of anything, especially someone in their house.
I'm going to start labeling you as dillusionally paranoid because you carry a spare tire in your trunk. You aren't deathly afraid of being stranded, getting flat tires all the time, being raped by some guy who stops by the side of the road to help you when you have no spare right? But you carry one anyway. It's a waste of space, gas mileage, and you are SO paranoid for having one! I can't believe you are so afraid to drive around, in this modern time, and feel you need a spare tire..I mean..what a foreign concept!!
And for the sake of your "being in the home without a handgun argument" because you say no one for miles around has one so you shouldn't be scared. Well, people around you most likely do have handguns. They won't use them as frequently, or for more petty crimes, because the penalties are higher...but have no illusions that they do exist, and can be used against you. Let's say for this instance though, some guy ends up in your house while you are sleeping. He intends to steal stuff to feed his drug habit. He wants your TV. Do you let him take it, or do you try to stop him? Does he have a right to take your stuff? I'm not saying kill him over it, I'm saying do you try to stop the theft?
Next, he realizes that since you know he's in the house, he doesn't intend to just leave. Wow, that's a pretty wife you have there. What's under those panties sure must be appealing! He thinks he'll have that FIRST, while you watch, then he'll decide to leave. Don't call the cops, he's already cut your phone line anyway.
He's much larger than you, and wielding a baseball bat. Or a metal pipe. Or one of YOUR kitchen knives. Maybe he's got a really long screwdriver he sharpened up at one end, a blackjack, or brass knuckles. What are you going to do? Try to reason with him? He's on drugs..good luck. You think your wife begging and pleading is going to stop him? You think you can outrun him, or even if you could get to your cell phone..that the cops would be there in time before your wife was violated and/or murdered, and you as well?
Sometimes in life, you wish you had a force multiplier that you could use to defend yourself. A gun is one such device. Doesn't make you a paranoid lunatic, a nutty survivalist, or a cold murderer for owning one or wanting to. IF you don't want to, don't. Just don't preach that others who feel they might want one around, don't have one. |
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lilwolf
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britboy wrote: lilwolf wrote: britboy wrote: lilwolf wrote: Yes, but remember we who understand and appreciate our right to own are bad. These four wise men in that little poster speak volumes to those that are afraid of guns ....I like the poster.
Would you like to live in a society where you knew you would never need to resort to using a gun to defend yourself?
I live in that place. It's nice. I feel sorry for you and the fact you don't believe such a place can even exist -- when I actually live there! It's kind of sad, but also kind of funny.
If you think that where you live is a utopia...have a nice illusion. There are guns galore in your part of the world and you do not see them.
First off I like the idea of having guns around.They help keep the bad guys away ...even if you don't believe it.
Besides no such society exists this side of heaven or hell. Sorry but I feel sorry for you having to have that illusion...and that is funny.
Just imagine what I'd be thinking now if I actually did live in a place where no-one ever saw a handgun, no one ever expected to, virtually none of the criminals had them, they simply did not need to be part of the society. I know you don't believe such a place exists, and that criminals run amok here in London compared to the US. :roll:
If such a place did exist, and say, just for fun, I lived there -- what you typed would sound really silly about now wouldn't it.
However, sitting here by my PC typing -- you can't imagine how much I feel I need a weapon to defend myself. Wow I'm scared! scared I tell you that suddenly my door is going to get kicked in. Even though no-one in my street has a gun. No-one for miles and miles around. You'll never believe me -- whatever I say -- but just for the book, at the moment I am not scared even though I am in my house WITHOUT A LOADED HANDGUN! Madness eg? I must be some crazy fool not to be in a cold sweat ... :roll: So naive :roll:
Enjoy your self britboy...it is an illusion of safety that you like so have a nice day... :lol: |
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micfranklin
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| Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2006 5:53 pm Post subject: |
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britboy wrote: lilwolf wrote: Yes, but remember we who understand and appreciate our right to own are bad. These four wise men in that little poster speak volumes to those that are afraid of guns ....I like the poster.
Would you like to live in a society where you knew you would never need to resort to using a gun to defend yourself?
I live in that place. It's nice. I feel sorry for you and the fact you don't believe such a place can even exist -- when I actually live there! It's kind of sad, but also kind of funny.
If you're thinking of some sort of utopian society, then keep on hallucinating because a society where you don't need to defend yourself with a gun doesn't exist. |
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Mikate8
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I think its funny that England will probably be one of the first countries to prove George Orwell right.
Britboy, what if there was a coup in England and everyone was oppressed, would you regret not having guns? Its not like a peaceful protest would stop a ruthless person from trying to get hold of power by any means necessary. |
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micfranklin
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Mikate8 wrote: I think its funny that England will probably be one of the first countries to prove George Orwell right.
Britboy, what if there was a coup in England and everyone was oppressed, would you regret not having guns? Its not like a peaceful protest would stop a ruthless person from trying to get hold of power by any means necessary.
They're certainly on their way there. They're gonna be in 1984 in 2024 (and no, that's not a joke because that's what it could come down to :? ) |
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leftneckredwing
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britboy wrote: lilwolf wrote: Yes, but remember we who understand and appreciate our right to own are bad. These four wise men in that little poster speak volumes to those that are afraid of guns ....I like the poster.
Would you like to live in a society where you knew you would never need to resort to using a gun to defend yourself?
I live in that place. It's nice. I feel sorry for you and the fact you don't believe such a place can even exist -- when I actually live there! It's kind of sad, but also kind of funny.
What planet is that on? Utopia?
It's absurd that you believe it. You would have to live in an impenetrable bubble. And you don't. |
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lilwolf
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britboy, this is a photo of a cache of weapons that is in the UK. I know these people personally. You are not living in a utopia and that is a fact.
Of course I am not going to divulge information but this is in the UK from a few years back.... all nice and laid out. |
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airo
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perdidochas wrote: airo wrote: britboy wrote: lilwolf wrote: Yes, but remember we who understand and appreciate our right to own are bad. These four wise men in that little poster speak volumes to those that are afraid of guns ....I like the poster.
Would you like to live in a society where you knew you would never need to resort to using a gun to defend yourself?
I live in that place. It's nice. I feel sorry for you and the fact you don't believe such a place can even exist -- when I actually live there! It's kind of sad, but also kind of funny. How old are you?
How can you say, that in the remainder of you lifetime, you will NEVER need to use a firearm to defend yourself?
I honestly hope that I will never need to use a firearm to defend myself. I actually very much doubt that I ever will need to use a firearm to defend myself. However, I feel the same about my smoke alarms. I own both guns and smoke alarms for the small chance that I might need to use them. If I need those things, and don't have them, I can't imagine being in a much worse position.
Life isn't a rose garden, and no one promised it was. I'm not going to say "I hope that i will never have to use my firearms in self defense," because i don't see the point in making such a statement. We live in a harsh world, and all that we can do is be prepared for whatever life throws at us. If life so happens to throw a psychotic madman at us, all we can do is deal with it. However, a statement that i can say is "I Hope that i will go to bed, and wake up breathing the next day, no matter what."
If an event where we're required to defend ourselves arrises, all the hoping in the world can do nothing to prevent the situation we're in. We're there, and it's time to deal with it. |
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lilwolf
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| Well stated Airo.....well stated indeed. :tu: |
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britboy
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lilwolf wrote: Well stated Airo.....well stated indeed. :tu:
What a lame addition to the discussion. In fact it wasn't an addition at all.
Can't you PM each other the little 'I think your great by the way' messages so we don't all have to read them?
Jees if after everything I typed some guy said 'Wow you're the best' I'd be annoyed by it after about 2 days..... |
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lilwolf
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| There was not much to say in that he stated everything quite well. I had nothing I could add so why do it with useless drivel. |
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airo
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britboy wrote: lilwolf wrote: Well stated Airo.....well stated indeed. :tu:
What a lame addition to the discussion. In fact it wasn't an addition at all.
Can't you PM each other the little 'I think your great by the way' messages so we don't all have to read them?
Jees if after everything I typed some guy said 'Wow you're the best' I'd be annoyed by it after about 2 days.....
Seems like you have a bit of a problem when people agree with me. |
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britboy
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airo wrote: britboy wrote: lilwolf wrote: Well stated Airo.....well stated indeed. :tu:
What a lame addition to the discussion. In fact it wasn't an addition at all.
Can't you PM each other the little 'I think your great by the way' messages so we don't all have to read them?
Jees if after everything I typed some guy said 'Wow you're the best' I'd be annoyed by it after about 2 days.....
Seems like you have a bit of a problem when people agree with me.
Certainly do if they bring nothing new to the topic. I see it as pointless.
If George Bush was doing a press conference and after every sentence Condoloza (spelling) Rice stood up and shouted 'Yea Mr President, you're the best' -- people would look at her like she was nuts. Or at least tell her to shut up as they'd rather spend their time listening to what the guy has to say ... |
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private_citizen
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britboy wrote: lilwolf wrote: britboy wrote: lilwolf wrote: Yes, but remember we who understand and appreciate our right to own are bad. These four wise men in that little poster speak volumes to those that are afraid of guns ....I like the poster.
Would you like to live in a society where you knew you would never need to resort to using a gun to defend yourself?
I live in that place. It's nice. I feel sorry for you and the fact you don't believe such a place can even exist -- when I actually live there! It's kind of sad, but also kind of funny.
If you think that where you live is a utopia...have a nice illusion. There are guns galore in your part of the world and you do not see them.
First off I like the idea of having guns around.They help keep the bad guys away ...even if you don't believe it.
Besides no such society exists this side of heaven or hell. Sorry but I feel sorry for you having to have that illusion...and that is funny.
Just imagine what I'd be thinking now if I actually did live in a place where no-one ever saw a handgun, no one ever expected to, virtually none of the criminals had them, they simply did not need to be part of the society. I know you don't believe such a place exists, and that criminals run amok here in London compared to the US. :roll:
If such a place did exist, and say, just for fun, I lived there -- what you typed would sound really silly about now wouldn't it.
However, sitting here by my PC typing -- you can't imagine how much I feel I need a weapon to defend myself. Wow I'm scared! scared I tell you that suddenly my door is going to get kicked in. Even though no-one in my street has a gun. No-one for miles and miles around. You'll never believe me -- whatever I say -- but just for the book, at the moment I am not scared even though I am in my house WITHOUT A LOADED HANDGUN! Madness eg? I must be some crazy fool not to be in a cold sweat ... :roll: So naive :roll:
Imagine how the Jews felt hiding under floorboards.... after "all the guns" were taken away... well all those from private citizens. |
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private_citizen
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britboy wrote: lilwolf wrote: Well stated Airo.....well stated indeed. :tu:
What a lame addition to the discussion. In fact it wasn't an addition at all.
Can't you PM each other the little 'I think your great by the way' messages so we don't all have to read them?
Jees if after everything I typed some guy said 'Wow you're the best' I'd be annoyed by it after about 2 days.....
bitter? jealous?
I am sure your mummie thinks you are great.. maybe she will come down to the basement with cookies for you tonight. |
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lilwolf
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Private citizen...you have that right on the head when you said this:
Imagine how the Jews felt hiding under floorboards.... after "all the guns" were taken away... well all those from private citizens
But try to convince any of the few anti gunnere / bunny hugger folks her that the nazis did not take away guns or had nothing to do with gun control in Germany and you will have a fight.... they are wrong they just do not see it at all.
That's why no one gets my guns? |
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