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[Mikate8]

esight wrote: micfranklin wrote: You know what I just noticed?

Every single anti-gun statement made by anyone can easily be countered with logic that guns are more useful than they want to realize.

I don't like guns, but even I have to admit that guns do serve a purpose. When terrorists land in our soil with the intent of destroying us, I certainly would be a gun advocate in that scenario.

Having said that, I see guns being used for the wrong purposes all the time. One has to be dead not to see the ongoing misuses of guns in our society.

The real question is how to get guns out of the hands of people who misuse or abuse them. Allowing lax distribution of firearms among the populace is definitely a no-no. When a 13-year-old can somehow shoot an AK rifle in school, it becomes an epidemic.

Another problem, too, is that people tend to be extremists on the issue of guns, i.e., either have guns, or no guns. That will only result in an endless loop of debates, and it's fundamentally illogical. The fact is that guns do have a purpose (and how I hate saying that), but I just wish there was an effective way to prevent people who are "unqualified" to own guns from obtaining one.

BLehhh? Unqualified people? Minorities? You're racist? no i'm just kidding

There are background checks to stop criminals from getting guns, but sadly not checks for stupid people who might end up blowing their foot off. Well I guess we could just put them in a firearm safety class, after that, let em buy as many guns as they want

Kids shooting in schools, it won't become an epidemic because its either because of dumb*ss parents who don't lock their guns up or the kid bought the gun illegally, don't know any other way it could happen, do youuuuuuuu.

I'm glad you admit guns are useful, because other people who don't like guns can't see why. Thats why when someone breaks into their house and savagely beats them one of us pro-gun people will be there to either, give them a gun so they can defend themselves next time or just point and laugh while also asking how it felt to be a doormat

[Boneman]

esight wrote: micfranklin wrote: You know what I just noticed?

Every single anti-gun statement made by anyone can easily be countered with logic that guns are more useful than they want to realize.

I don't like guns, but even I have to admit that guns do serve a purpose. When terrorists land in our soil with the intent of destroying us, I certainly would be a gun advocate in that scenario.

Having said that, I see guns being used for the wrong purposes all the time. One has to be dead not to see the ongoing misuses of guns in our society.

The real question is how to get guns out of the hands of people who misuse or abuse them. Allowing lax distribution of firearms among the populace is definitely a no-no. When a 13-year-old can somehow shoot an AK rifle in school, it becomes an epidemic.

Another problem, too, is that people tend to be extremists on the issue of guns, i.e., either have guns, or no guns. That will only result in an endless loop of debates, and it's fundamentally illogical. The fact is that guns do have a purpose (and how I hate saying that), but I just wish there was an effective way to prevent people who are "unqualified" to own guns from obtaining one.
I agree with you actually, except about not liking guns. I love em.

[The Newb]

wyldejackyl wrote: micfranklin wrote: You know what I just noticed?

Every single anti-gun statement made by anyone can easily be countered with logic that guns are more useful than they want to realize. :shock:
GTFO, really?

:rotf:

[britboy]

The Newb wrote: wyldejackyl wrote: micfranklin wrote: You know what I just noticed?

Every single anti-gun statement made by anyone can easily be countered with logic that guns are more useful than they want to realize. :shock:
GTFO, really?

:rotf:


:bana:


:roll:

[lilwolf]

One man with a gun can control 100 without one."- Lenin
Gun control "protects" you from being able to shoot back.
Gun Control is not about guns; its about CONTROL


The rank and file are usually much more primitive than we imagine. Propaganda must therefore always be essentially simple and repetitious." - Joseph Goebbels -- Nazi Minister of Propaganda

You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind each blade of grass."
--Japanese Admiral Yamamoto, 1941

"The most foolish mistake we could possibly make would be to allow the subject races to possess arms. History shows that all conquerors who have allowed their subject races to carry arms have prepared their own downfall by doing so" --Adolph Hitler

All military type firearms are to be handed in immediately...The SS, SA and Stahlhelm give every responsible opportunity of campaigning with them. Therefore anyone who does not belong to one of the above-named organizations and who unjustifiably nevertheless keeps his weapon...must be regarded as an enemy of the national government." -- SA Oberfuhrer of Bad Tolz, March, 1933.

Germans who wish to use firearms should join the SS or the SA -- ordinary citizens don't need guns, as their having guns doesn't serve the state." - Heinrich Himmler.

[private_citizen]

britboy wrote: wyldejackyl wrote: Perhaps you've never been faced with a criminal act? I can't wait until the day when you are victimized. If you want to be a doormat..that's fine. Be a doormat. Don't insist everyone bend over and take it like a liberal.
You're joking I hope.

For example, I've had the unfortunate experience of being lumped when in a nightclub.

Now kids, for 10 points did I

a) Take the 'mans' approach of trying (fairly lamely) to lump the guy back .. get annoyed, stomp away, then forget about in within an hour

or

b) Take the cowards route of just waving a gun around, scared out of my head, like a 6 year old girl in pigtails. Then afterwards tell my friends about how the gun 'had saved my life' :roll:

??

Here is a senario for you to contemplate.

You are out at the "pub" with your "mates" and you come across a woman who was just viciously raped and beaten, and the corpse of the attacker that she just shot in the head.. do you

a) chastize her and put her hair in pigtails like a 6 yr old being the liberal you probably are feel pity for the rapist lying dead in the street.
B) realizing it is your wife/GF/sister be grateful she had a gun

Not everyone is some gun waving lunatic who has a firearm, some of us are just private citizens who don't want to become VICTIMS of criminals.

[Mrcrowley]

It is easy to own a gun (that is our right)
Ok before I go any further let me just give you a story , I am a proud gun owner and I respect the weapon as deadly I have three gun safety devices a trigger lock, a magazine lock a gun locker I use them all when I am not at target practice. Anyways here is where it scares me. Me and my wife (who is a regular on this forum) visit the shooting range on a Friday night it is pretty packed I see some families three of them. All three of them are Israelis with three to for children all shooting assault rifles except two who were in the lanes to our left and right. One twelve year old boy has a ruger straight-line handgun in his lap trying to figure out how to put magazine in gun while pointing it at me and my wife. NO parent around they went to counter to explain they had a gun jam I took gun from the kid first unjammed a live round that was in the chamber them put gun on shelve pointing down range. I and my wife proceed to leave vowing never to come back on a weekend night. I feel I am a very careful gun owner and VERY safe and the constitution says I have every right own a gun with no training or proper training BUT I did a lot of research before I purchased a gun and got my CWP . I am all for gun owner ship BUT this kind of scenario will kill our cause .What do you all suggest we do about this kind of scenario? Ideas please

[lilwolf]

Mrcrowley wrote: It is easy to own a gun (that is our right)
Ok before I go any further let me just give you a story , I am a proud gun owner and I respect the weapon as deadly I have three gun safety devices a trigger lock, a magazine lock a gun locker I use them all when I am not at target practice. Anyways here is where it scares me. Me and my wife (who is a regular on this forum) visit the shooting range on a Friday night it is pretty packed I see some families three of them. All three of them are Israelis with three to for children all shooting assault rifles except two who were in the lanes to our left and right. One twelve year old boy has a ruger straight-line handgun in his lap trying to figure out how to put magazine in gun while pointing it at me and my wife. NO parent around they went to counter to explain they had a gun jam I took gun from the kid first unjammed a live round that was in the chamber them put gun on shelve pointing down range. I and my wife proceed to leave vowing never to come back on a weekend night. I feel I am a very careful gun owner and VERY safe and the constitution says I have every right own a gun with no training or proper training BUT I did a lot of research before I purchased a gun and got my CWP . I am all for gun owner ship BUT this kind of scenario will kill our cause .What do you all suggest we do about this kind of scenario? Ideas please

First off what in the hell are children doing in a range area. Most all states have laws governing age limits for children to be on or in a range area. First I would call the management and complain and express your concers, then I would call the police and lodge a paper trail , because that way if something ever happens then at least there could be grounds to nail the idiot that is running the place. That is where I would start. Also call the NRA and let them know. You could also (depending upon his response) let the media know of the unsafe actions and your concerns.
Do not just let it ride and hope it goes away....okay. Let some one know and right away..This kind of BS is uncalled for and should never have been allowed at all.

[Mrcrowley]

lilwolf wrote: Mrcrowley wrote: It is easy to own a gun (that is our right)
Ok before I go any further let me just give you a story , I am a proud gun owner and I respect the weapon as deadly I have three gun safety devices a trigger lock, a magazine lock a gun locker I use them all when I am not at target practice. Anyways here is where it scares me. Me and my wife (who is a regular on this forum) visit the shooting range on a Friday night it is pretty packed I see some families three of them. All three of them are Israelis with three to for children all shooting assault rifles except two who were in the lanes to our left and right. One twelve year old boy has a ruger straight-line handgun in his lap trying to figure out how to put magazine in gun while pointing it at me and my wife. NO parent around they went to counter to explain they had a gun jam I took gun from the kid first unjammed a live round that was in the chamber them put gun on shelve pointing down range. I and my wife proceed to leave vowing never to come back on a weekend night. I feel I am a very careful gun owner and VERY safe and the constitution says I have every right own a gun with no training or proper training BUT I did a lot of research before I purchased a gun and got my CWP . I am all for gun owner ship BUT this kind of scenario will kill our cause .What do you all suggest we do about this kind of scenario? Ideas please

First off what in the hell are children doing in a range area. Most all states have laws governing age limits for children to be on or in a range area. First I would call the management and complain and express your concers, then I would call the police and lodge a paper trail , because that way if something ever happens then at least there could be grounds to nail the idiot that is running the place. That is where I would start. Also call the NRA and let them know. You could also (depending upon his response) let the media know of the unsafe actions and your concerns.
Do not just let it ride and hope it goes away....okay. Let some one know and right away..This kind of BS is uncalled for and should never have been allowed at all.

Ok Lil after I posted my wife who posts here often informed she viewed our concerns with the owners of the gun range and was told that the family was asked to leave because of unsafe gun practices. That is a good thing but that will not comfort me in knowing that a parent gave a weapon to there child without any understanding of safety AT ALL. That kind of person would scare me as a gun owner. I bet he would be a person who would leave a loaded gun in the reach of child ONCE again giving the anti gun protester fuel for there stupid ill informed fight. I respect the weapon I own and KNOW what damage it could do to someone’s life and family that is why I find myself to be one of the safest gun owners around BUT god forgive the criminal who bursts into my home threaten my wife child or family WITH intent to do harm, OH yes I will warn him (or her) but if he will not turn and run I’ll end his life.

[lilwolf]

Mrcrowley wrote: lilwolf wrote: Mrcrowley wrote: It is easy to own a gun (that is our right)
Ok before I go any further let me just give you a story , I am a proud gun owner and I respect the weapon as deadly I have three gun safety devices a trigger lock, a magazine lock a gun locker I use them all when I am not at target practice. Anyways here is where it scares me. Me and my wife (who is a regular on this forum) visit the shooting range on a Friday night it is pretty packed I see some families three of them. All three of them are Israelis with three to for children all shooting assault rifles except two who were in the lanes to our left and right. One twelve year old boy has a ruger straight-line handgun in his lap trying to figure out how to put magazine in gun while pointing it at me and my wife. NO parent around they went to counter to explain they had a gun jam I took gun from the kid first unjammed a live round that was in the chamber them put gun on shelve pointing down range. I and my wife proceed to leave vowing never to come back on a weekend night. I feel I am a very careful gun owner and VERY safe and the constitution says I have every right own a gun with no training or proper training BUT I did a lot of research before I purchased a gun and got my CWP . I am all for gun owner ship BUT this kind of scenario will kill our cause .What do you all suggest we do about this kind of scenario? Ideas please

First off what in the hell are children doing in a range area. Most all states have laws governing age limits for children to be on or in a range area. First I would call the management and complain and express your concers, then I would call the police and lodge a paper trail , because that way if something ever happens then at least there could be grounds to nail the idiot that is running the place. That is where I would start. Also call the NRA and let them know. You could also (depending upon his response) let the media know of the unsafe actions and your concerns.
Do not just let it ride and hope it goes away....okay. Let some one know and right away..This kind of BS is uncalled for and should never have been allowed at all.

Ok Lil after I posted my wife who posts here often informed she viewed our concerns with the owners of the gun range and was told that the family was asked to leave because of unsafe gun practices. That is a good thing but that will not comfort me in knowing that a parent gave a weapon to there child without any understanding of safety AT ALL. That kind of person would scare me as a gun owner. I bet he would be a person who would leave a loaded gun in the reach of child ONCE again giving the anti gun protester fuel for there stupid ill informed fight. I respect the weapon I own and KNOW what damage it could do to someone’s life and family that is why I find myself to be one of the safest gun owners around BUT god forgive the criminal who bursts into my home threaten my wife child or family WITH intent to do harm, OH yes I will warn him (or her) but if he will not turn and run I’ll end his life.

Goog enough... See also the fact that they are from the ME may have been soomething that they are used to there but sure as hell not here. But talking to the owner is good and now you have done all you can do except pray that the kid never gets his hands on the weapon... +p