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[mr crunchy]

a legit question that deserved an answer

i hope i explained myself in a way where i didnt come off as a bigot

generally speaking
if you call out israel they attack you for being an antisemite
however
if you call out england or germany
youre not labeled an anti aryan or anglo

double standards exist here
thats a problem that needs to be addressed immediatley in order to have successful dialogue

[lilwolf]

mr crunchy wrote: a legit question that deserved an answer

i hope i explained myself in a way where i didnt come off as a bigot

generally speaking
if you call out israel they attack you for being an antisemite
however
if you call out england or germany
youre not labeled an anti aryan or anglo

double standards exist here
thats a problem that needs to be addressed immediatley in order to have successful dialogue


alright it's cool.... 8:)

[mr crunchy]

hey
im a gun totin liberal who owned a siberian husky for 15 years

im not adverse to constructive dialogue or
arming everyone for a politer society

[wyldejackyl]

I didn't think guns were legal in Massachusetts anymore..didn't they outlaw them with the rest of your freedoms, esp in the city? I know we can't carry here in Chicago..unless of course, you are a close friend of the Mayor or an alderman. Then it's okay.

I think society would be more polite, but I also think at first you'd have some fallout that the media would blow out of proportion. The more news I watch, the more I see this. They like to exaggerate tragedies. "Two teenagers killed on prom night last night in a car accident. Police are investigating a motive." It's probably drinking or drugs, and you can't pity people that do that, so long as they are only killing themselves and not anyone else. They are old enough to know better (where are the parents?). Yet when something good happens that's newsworthy..maybe a homeless guy got a job and is keeping it, or a few mexican families that work hard and have applied for all their paperwork legally, got their naturalization papers today...
Instead all we get is a streaming political agenda on every channel. Whatever happened to unbiased media? I think that's also a major reason why america won't, "wake up!" They don't see what's in front of them because they are being intentionally misled, and are none the wiser of it.

[mr crunchy]

you need a permit to carry a handgun in massachusetts

theyre not illegal

you can get an FID card from the police dpt to hunt with shotgun or bow

its a real pain in the ass
depending on what town you live in
the chief of police can really break your balls and if youve had any kind of legal scrape they can deny you

as far as the media goes
i read somwhere that the murder and crime rate in general has fallen X% since 1988
yet the news time dedicated to crime has gone up significantly despite this drop??

death sells
scare the crap out of the elderly so they wont change the channel
scare the crap out of parents so they wont let their kids out of their site

sad to say
but we live in a soundbite nation

[no.1]

Just some facts:

As of Oct 19th: 2787 American soldiers have died in Iraq. (http://www.icasualties.org/oif/)

The news media screams that this is outrageous and more people than Sept 11th. 2973 people died on 9/11. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/September_11,_2001_attacks)

We have only lost 2787?!?!?!? That isn't many soldiers! Why are people screaming for revolution and saying bush is worse than hitler???

America lost 292,131 soldiers in World War II. 292 thousand soldiers, and most people didn't know about all the atrocities the Germans and Japanese had committed. Most of that came out after the war. (http://www.ddaymuseum.org/education/education_numbers.html)
Now every life is precious and every loss is a terrible one but this is war isn't it? We should be praising the military that we have come so far where we can fight wars without losing hundreds of thousands of people. I don't think we should have invaded Iraq but its not the end of the world... not yet anyway.

[mr crunchy]

america fought ww2 because we were attacked by the japs
who in iraq attacked us??

hes being compared to hitler ??
why??

hitler was elected and fought in ww1 getting the iron cross for heroism

bush was appointed president by the supreme court
after being tossed from flight school for missing a physical

[Kane]

Yay....

Another editorial that allows the flinging of names such as lefty and liberals placing entire demographics under one facade.

Oh...and of course the classic use of Bill and the word "hand."

I'm patting myself on the back as we speak...

[no.1]

The same old argument again. Why are we there? Why did they lie to us? How many Iraqis have to kill how many Americans before war is acceptable?

I don't have the answers to those questions - I doubt if we'll ever know.
My point is that we have not taken catastrophic casualties against an unbeatable enemy. Our news media just paints it that way. Poor planning by a poor president and his henchman yes, but unwinnable? I don't think so.

[lilwolf]

no.1 wrote: The same old argument again. Why are we there? Why did they lie to us? How many Iraqis have to kill how many Americans before war is acceptable?

I don't have the answers to those questions - I doubt if we'll ever know.
My point is that we have not taken catastrophic casualties against an unbeatable enemy. Our news media just paints it that way. Poor planning by a poor president and his henchman yes, but unwinnable? I don't think so.



Is it not amazing how these same people that harp and holler about the casualty list seem to never want to talk about how many we lost in Vietnam in a 10 year period. 58,000 plus.
The media is only good at one thing...selling the bad news and hardly ever reporting the good...why? Because the good stuff never sells and gets them their ratings.

[no.1]

Nothing in this world works right. Our government is broken and no one is willing to do what it takes to fix things. (i don't claim to have the answers either) These elections kill me. I'm sick to death of voting for the lesser of two evils. It becomes harder to tell the difference with every passing year. I'm not a pessimist, things really are as bad as they look... or worse. A lot of people have the initial reaction that I'm a lunatic or that I'm too dramatic. Frankly I don't know what it will take for America to Wake Up. What will it take? The end of the world? We may find out soon enough.

[lilwolf]

no.1 wrote: Nothing in this world works right. Our government is broken and no one is willing to do what it takes to fix things. (i don't claim to have the answers either) These elections kill me. I'm sick to death of voting for the lesser of two evils. It becomes harder to tell the difference with every passing year. I'm not a pessimist, things really are as bad as they look... or worse. A lot of people have the initial reaction that I'm a lunatic or that I'm too dramatic. Frankly I don't know what it will take for America to Wake Up. What will it take? The end of the world? We may find out soon enough.


Unfortunately I think one of the things that is going to force americans into waking up is the fact the when we get hit again and it is ugly then perhaps we might..

Bear with me here a moment..... TH reason I say that is because we as americans are fast oriented , .....some call it instant gratification. What ever term it's called we all know what it is.
We also have a tendancy to have what I call a short memory and attention span. While we are so caught up in everyday life we seem to lose track of what is hanging right in top of us and ready to bite us.

We are allowing people to stay in the country that have no legal right to be here in the first place. Politicians are scared to say or do anything because they would get voted out of a job.
We are at war and a few years back we got a bloody nose and many seem to have forgotten who attacked and what part of the world they came from. We tend to just dismiss all of everything that is going on around us because it cramps our personal comfort zones.

To sum it all up we are creatures of comfort and self interest. I wish I were wrong but there will more than likely be a major hit on us to actually wake up to the situation going on around us in our nation.
Only when we have cleaned up our own house (america) and our legislature and the exectutive branch along with the justice department can we even begin to think about helping other nations.
We are ineffective in a great many areas as is.

In closing...until american citizens actually wake up and take control of our nation again and give it back to the people and if that means removing people in high positions from their jobs...then we as americans must do it or we are clearly going to collapse from with in a self -destructive manner.
There is so little time left before we do internally collapse that perhaps it might be in the interest of the american citizen to allow it and then put it back together to where it truly is our country and not big corporations or people in high power that think they own us.

Well i have ranted enough so if any one wants to tell me off for saying what I hae said ....then so be it and fire away.

[mr crunchy]

lilwolf wrote: no.1 wrote: The same old argument again. Why are we there? Why did they lie to us? How many Iraqis have to kill how many Americans before war is acceptable?

I don't have the answers to those questions - I doubt if we'll ever know.
My point is that we have not taken catastrophic casualties against an unbeatable enemy. Our news media just paints it that way. Poor planning by a poor president and his henchman yes, but unwinnable? I don't think so.



Is it not amazing how these same people that harp and holler about the casualty list seem to never want to talk about how many we lost in Vietnam in a 10 year period. 58,000 plus.
The media is only good at one thing...selling the bad news and hardly ever reporting the good...why? Because the good stuff never sells and gets them their ratings.

agreed
the newspapers and tv networks pimped off this war in iraq before it started
even the ny times was on board here and do you know why??

war sells more than peace,bad news sells better than good news for the most part

this is why every single thing that goes wrong makes the papers
this is also why the good things that are happening arent published

[lilwolf]

mr crunchy wrote: lilwolf wrote: no.1 wrote: The same old argument again. Why are we there? Why did they lie to us? How many Iraqis have to kill how many Americans before war is acceptable?

I don't have the answers to those questions - I doubt if we'll ever know.
My point is that we have not taken catastrophic casualties against an unbeatable enemy. Our news media just paints it that way. Poor planning by a poor president and his henchman yes, but unwinnable? I don't think so.



Is it not amazing how these same people that harp and holler about the casualty list seem to never want to talk about how many we lost in Vietnam in a 10 year period. 58,000 plus.
The media is only good at one thing...selling the bad news and hardly ever reporting the good...why? Because the good stuff never sells and gets them their ratings.

agreed
the newspapers and tv networks pimped off this war in iraq before it started
even the ny times was on board here and do you know why??

war sells more than peace,bad news sells better than good news for the most part

this is why every single thing that goes wrong makes the papers
this is also why the good things that are happening arent published


Exactly true.... I was looking at my daily newpaper here in my state this morning here in the office and it appeared right in front of me that there was not one single thing good going on in the first 5 pages that was really positive in nature. Every damn thing from some clown beating up someone downtown to a robbery of a do nut shop in another part of the state.
I finally (honest here) found a small 3 paragraph blip on page 5 of a young boy saving a puppy from a storm drain.
Good stuff clearly does not sell...and if it does get reported it always ends up hidden.

The people of this land are slowly waking up and it is high time of that, but what else will it take short of a dirty bomb to make them realize that we need the border fence for security if nothing else, that we need to get our own house in order before we can help others. There are so many things needed and no one sees it....why?
Because we are a me and my type of nation with little or no regard for others in and around us.
We are rude and we are crude and we are selfish, and until we get nailed again and we do realize that there is a need for common unity within we are going to keep suffering as bitching and whining and we will not grow and we will fall apart as a nation...many other nations see it and we don't.

Some do and we are few and far between, but I believe that the american people are a good people basically and we will wake up when the time is right and not a second to soon.

[no.1]

It's funny but true lilwolf, good news is so rarely reported by anyone that it has become increasingly difficult to believe anything good is actually happening in the world.