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[Di]

I agree with the commentary by Mr. Ouimette. For years I've watched terrorists get bolder and bolder in their attacks on American interests around the world. However, I will remind y'all that those attacks were either ignored or poorly dealt with by both republican and democratic presidents. Again I will plead with y'all to remember that we are Americans first, republicans and democrats (or other) second. Sitting here pretending to piss on a democrat and threatening to leave one's country if a certain person is elected (Alex Baldwin, anybody?) is juvenile at best. If your country means so little to you that you would leave it if you can't have your own way politically, then I think I speak for most when I say god speed, and you won't be missed.

I love this country, and I'm not going anywhere. Yes, I hate what Bush has done to this nation... to my nation... but I'm not going to bail. I'm going to stick it out and do what little I can to fix what has been broken. One of the things I do is speak out against this horrible conservative/liberal hatefest that has become more divisive and dangerous to our society than any single thing I have seen in my considerable years of living. And please, don't justify this deplorable behavior by saying that politics has always been this way. It hasn't.

I really do urge you all to look into the mirror, and readjust your priorities. Republicans and Democrats both love their country. Too many of them on both sides of the aisle have become so consumed with gaining and keeping power that they have forgotten how to be Americans first.

To those who dismiss the contents of the above commentary, I urge you to take another look. We as a nation have been under attack for decades; we as a nation are still under attack; we as a nation must come together to protect ourselves and our families. If we continue this in-fighting, and political B.S (like invading non-threatening nations to settle old scores, while our real enemies regroup), eventually this country will see an attack that makes 9/11 look like a minor warmup. Sticking our collective heads in the sand under the guise of pacifism will not save our exposed butts from being blown off.

[jeechoscopy]

lilwolf wrote: The following article is a really interesting piece on the need for America to wake up and see what is going on around. In my opinion the Navy officer that wrote it is really on the money here.


America WAKE UP!
by Dan Ouimette


That's what we think we heard on the 11th of September 2001 and maybe it was, but I think it should have been "Get Out of Bed!" In fact, I think the alarm clock has been buzzing since 1979 and we have continued to hit the snooze button and roll over for a few more minutes of peaceful sleep since then.

It was a cool fall day in November 1979 in a country going through a religious and political upheaval when a group of Iranian students attacked and seized the American Embassy in Tehran. This seizure was an outright attack on American soil; it was an attack that held the world's most powerful country hostage and paralyzed a Presidency. The attack on this sovereign US embassy set the stage for the events to follow for the next 23 years.

America was still reeling from the aftermath of the Viet Nam experience and had a serious threat from the Soviet Union when then, President Carter, had to do something. He chose to conduct a clandestine raid in the desert. The ill-fated mission ended in ruin, but stood as a symbol of America's inability to deal with terrorism. America's military had been decimated and downsized / right sized since the end of the Viet Nam war. A poorly trained, poorly equipped and poorly organized military was called on to execute a complex mission that was doomed from the start.

Shortly after the Tehran experience, Americans began to be kidnapped and killed throughout the Middle East. America could do little to protect her citizens living and working abroad. The attacks against US soil continued.

In April of 1983 a large vehicle packed with high explosives was driven into the US Embassy compound in Beirut. When it explodes, it kills 63 people. The alarm went off again and America hit the Snooze Button once more. Then just six short months later a large truck heavily laden down with over 2500 pounds of TNT smashed through the main gate of the US Marine Corps headquarters in Beirut. 241 US servicemen are killed. America mourns her dead and hit the Snooze Button once more. Two months later in December 1983, another truck loaded with explosives is driven into the US Embassy in Kuwait, and America continues her slumber. The following year, in September 1984, another van was driven into the gates of the US Embassy in Beirut and America slept.

Soon the terrorism spreads to Europe. In April 1985 a bomb explodes in a restaurant frequented by US soldiers in Madrid. Then in August a Volkswagen loaded with explosives is driven into the main gate of the US Air Force Base at Rhein-Main, 22 are killed and the Snooze Alarm is buzzing louder and louder as US soil is continually attacked. Fifty-nine days later a cruise ship, the Achille Lauro is hijacked and we watched as an American in a wheelchair is singled out of the passenger list and executed. The terrorists then shift their tactics to bombing civilian airliners when they bomb TWA Flight 840 in April of 1986 that killed 4 and the most tragic bombing, Pan Am Flight 103 over Lockerbie, Scotland in 1988, killing 259. America wants to treat these terrorist acts as crimes; in fact we are still trying to bring these people to trial. These are acts of war ... the Wake Up alarm is louder and louder
The terrorists decide to bring the fight to America. In January 1993, two CIA agents are shot and killed as they enter CIA headquarters in Langley, Virginia. The following month, February 1993, a group of terrorists are arrested after a rented van packed with explosives is driven into the underground parking garage of the World Trade Center in New York City. Six people are killed and over 1000 are injured. Still this is a crime and not an act of war? The Snooze alarm is depressed again.

Then in November 1995 a car bomb explodes at a US military complex in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia killing seven service men and women. A few months later in June of 1996, another truck bomb explodes only 35 yards from the US military compound in Dhahran, Saudi Arabia. It destroys the Khobar Towers, a US Air Force barracks, killing 19 and injuring over 500.

The terrorists are getting braver and smarter as they see that America does not respond decisively. They move to coordinate their attacks in a simultaneous attack on two US embassies in Kenya and Tanzania. These attacks were planned with precision, they kill 224. America responds with cruise missile attacks and goes back to sleep.

The USS Cole was docked in the port of Aden, Yemen for refueling on 12 October 2000, when a small craft pulled along side the ship and exploded killing 17 US Navy Sailors. Attacking a US War Ship is an act of war, but we sent the FBI to investigate the crime and went back to sleep.

And of course you know the events of 11 September 2001. Most Americans think this was the first attack against US soil or in America. How wrong they are. America has been under a constant attack since 1979 and we chose to hit the snooze alarm and roll over and go back to sleep.

In the news lately we have seen lots of finger pointing from every high official in government over what they knew and what they didn't know. But if you've read the papers and paid a little attention I think you can see exactly what they knew. You don't have to be in the FBI or CIA or on the National Security Council to see the pattern that has been developing since 1979. The President is right on when he says we are engaged in a war. I think we have been in a war for the past 23 years and it will continue until we as a people decide enough is enough.

America has to "Get out of Bed" and act decisively now. America has changed forever. We have to be ready to pay the price and make the sacrifice to ensure our way of life continues. We cannot afford to hit the Snooze Button again and roll over and go back to sleep. We have to make the terrorists know that in the words of Admiral Yamamoto after the attack on Pearl Harbor "that all they have done is to awaken a sleeping giant."

Thank you very much.

Dan Ouimette

http://www.armedfemalesofamerica.com/content/EEVVkypFFZQjuBJRQX.html

hmmm...

Preparing for another mistake or...

Afghanistan and Iraq were invaded during sleeping times... :lol:

[lilwolf]

Well the sooner america and americans wake up and realize that the bad guys are here in the country right now the sooner we can get ready for the next hit. They will hit us again and then the real nightmare is going to start for the entire ME area. Because like it or not they are here.

So since a great number of these organizations are known about here is a map that gives the known groups of terrorists here in America. So people had better wake up.

[jeechoscopy]

lilwolf wrote: Well the sooner america and americans wake up and realize that the bad guys are here in the country right now the sooner we can get ready for the next hit. They will hit us again and then the real nightmare is going to start for the entire ME area. Because like it or not they are here.

So since a great number of these organizations are known about here is a map that gives the known groups of terrorists here in America. So people had better wake up.



Is it anything planned, terrible though...
Are all those going under the flag of civilizational clash?

[Snake]

Crap, I live real close to Houston, this really s*cks.

[lilwolf]

jeechoscopy wrote: lilwolf wrote: Well the sooner america and americans wake up and realize that the bad guys are here in the country right now the sooner we can get ready for the next hit. They will hit us again and then the real nightmare is going to start for the entire ME area. Because like it or not they are here.

So since a great number of these organizations are known about here is a map that gives the known groups of terrorists here in America. So people had better wake up.



Is it anything planned, terrible though...
Are all those going under the flag of civilizational clash?


Well lets see now, On the map you have a dozen or so groups that are clearly hostile to americans, and those same ones would not even hesitate to do mayhem. If they fall into your civilizational clash thing, yes... they are dangerous and it is only a matter of time till we get nailed.

The only part that bothers me in this thing is when (not if) it happens the backlash to innocent ME immigrants. Personally this nations leades had better get on the ball and start rounding the bad guys up and getting rid of them. I do not care what methods are used as long as it is legal , but round them up and send their camel or goat smelling ass8s back to where they came from.
If we do not do something and do it quick we are going to get hurt and hurt bad.

[lilwolf]

And a great deal will happen if we lose our rights to keep and bear arms and the right to own and self protection. Here is an interesting article that I think people ought to read here. I will post in its entirety.

Open Letter To Liberals Favoring Gun Confiscation
by Liz Michael
LizMichael.com, www.lizmichael.com
Released August 3, 2001 for immediate release

I know a lot of liberals. Hell, some of my best friends are liberals. And to those liberals, who so often favor gun control and gun confiscation, I have just one simple question....

Have you lost your bloody minds?

Let me tell 'ya a little story 'bout a man named Adolf. In the 20's the National Socialists were heavily armed (heavily for that day, anyway). The Bolsheviks were also somewhat armed, not to the degree of the Nazis. They were both probably better armed than the regular army, which was through the Treaty of Versailles, rendered next to useless.
German gun control didn't begin under the Nazis. It began in large measure because of the Nazis. They did not demand it, though. It was being aimed AT them. Yes. You heard me right. Check your history. The politcal establishment of the Weimar Republic wanted gun control to control undesirables in the population. To disarm them. They all thought it was a peachy idea.
It didn't work. German gun control was aimed at the Nazis and the Bolsheviks, the radical parties of the day. Because the National Socialists weren't about to obey laws that were not in their interest, gun control only wound up disarming what little armory was already in public hands.

What happened? One of the groups who refused to disarm ultimately took over the country. And there was absolutely nothing their opponents could do about it. Because they were without an army and without many firearms.

Now, the Weimar Republic is not a direct comparison to today's United States. But fast forward to today. There are a lot of people, most of them liberals of some type, who say one of the major reasons they want to disarm Americans is because of guns in the hands of "them crazy rednecks", like me. (Even though I'm Black, Indian and Jewish.) Well, let's assume for a minute you get your wish. Let's say that HCI and the Brady bunch get everything they want in their political agenda passed into law. Who is and is not willing to obey those laws is of prime strategic importance to the liberal agenda.

Under a gun confiscation, who will likely surrender arms and who will utterly refuse to, cuts sharply across political lines. The liberals will probably cooperate, for the "good of the children", or "the environment", or whatever pabulum of the day they're being fed. Maybe a few radical anarchists won't. But most of your mainstream Democrats will comply. After all, they TRUST the government to take care of them.

However, the groups who will not are the conservatives and the libertarians. The conservatives, who prominently feature the Religious Right caucus. The Patrick Buchanan, anti-immigration caucus. The anti-gay caucus. And the libertarians who plain and simply represent the "leave me the hell alone" caucus. The libertarians who would if they had their way gut as many liberal government programs as they possibly could.
Of course, the criminals will not comply. Not ever. They never do. They will, of course, profit from the illicit traffic from those who feel the need to have a weapon without the permission of a government bureaucrat or local police official. But I'm not really talking about the criminals here.

So what would happen under strict gun control is that the political groups most likely to be armed to the teeth are the conservatives and the libertarians, and the Religious Right and Buchananites with them. To a distinctly disporportionate degree.

Now, if you are a liberal, ask yourself this question.... do you really feel comfortable about that. Do you really WANT the conservatives to have significantly more guns than you? Because that group of armed individuals will be able to throw out any election they wish: you all complain Bush stole the 2000 election. Well, son, under strict gun control, you ain't seen NOTHIN' yet!!!

And they would likely, in the case of an armed insurrection of any serious import, be the people who take over the government. Either that, or a very organized somewhat fascist element within the government will defeat them, and take power themselves. Where would the liberals fit in the picture? Disarmed, with no power, no agenda and no voice, with their pet programs likely in shambles, with both camps of a civil war who hate them.

The SINGLE STUPIDEST thing that liberals could do for their causes is pass gun control. They would be writing their own death warrant, just as the Weimar Republic did.

I reiterate the question. Does anyone here want their activist movement fully disarmed, and completely trusting the other side in power without the check and balance of the potential for armed revolt?

Let me guess: some of you reading this right now, are thinking with your gut. And your gut is telling you: "the more I read of your essays, Liz, the more I see the need for strict gun control. So people like YOU won't have guns."

People like ME won't have guns.

That's a real belly laugh.

People like me, understand, as Mao understood, that power flows from the barrel of a gun. So people like me will NEVER not have guns.

Your gut feeling is the same gut feeling the Weimar Republic had about the Nazis. I'm not going to challenge your feeling..If you understand my politics, REALLY, it's in fact, nearly laughable, as someone like Hitler or Stalin is practically the diametric opposite of myself.. But let's go with your feeling for a sec. Say I am the danger. Me and my "conservative libertarian anarchist radical antigovernment whatever" thugs are going to march down and destroy America. So what then...."WE GOTTA TAKE EVERYBODY'S GUNS!", you say. And let's pretend for a bit that you manage to get legislation to that effect. Who will obey it and who won't?
I'll tell ya, who, my liberal friends. You will obey it. The liberals will dutifully obey.

I won't obey it. The libertarians won't. The radicals won't. The conservatives won't. The religious right won't. The gayhaters won't. You may think they will but you don't know them like I do.

I won't obey it because in the end, in addition to saving my own ass, and the asses of people who think like me, I may have to save YOUR asses as well.

Who will have more power, liberal friend, at that point? Who will have more power? The liberals or the conservatives? The left or the right? Because at that point, my side, and whoever happen to be my allies, whatever you think of my side, will have all the guns. Yes, the government will have them, too. But do you really think that the government agencies with the most arms give a rat's ass about the liberal agenda? Do you REALLY think the GOVERNMENT... do you really think that government agents at this point in time, care about benign things such as gay rights, women's rights, racial minority rights and human dignity?

At that point in time, the only real battle left will be between the government and the conservatives and their allies. Unless, the conservatives take the government and consolidate absolute power, which Hitler did. So you either will have a government dominated by the conservatives, or dominated by FBI-CIA-DEA types.... or you will have a government in shambles due to a domestic rebellion....and remember that libertarians LIKE to see governments in shambles. And you will have encouraged the only Americans willing to oppose these people to disarm themselves.

At that point in the equation, liberal friend, unless your side is armed, your side won't count. Your side will not only be irrelevant, but to quote former California Governor Pete Wilson, it will be "f***ing irrelevant". And if you disarm Americans, remembering that we won't disarm, you will have no power, and we might very well have all of it.

In the light of what I've just written, liberal friend, let me ask you again. Do you want to disarm the American people so that they will not be able to fight back against a tyrannical government? Or do you want to trust whomever comes to power to not be a tyrant. Germany did the latter and got the Third Reich. What will YOU get?

By the way, lest anyone have a cow, I do not believe conservatives and libertarians can possibly be equated with the Nazis. But I'm comparing the Weimar Republic to America of today, in one aspect, and one aspect only, and that is exposing the fallacy that the political enemies of the ruling government can be successfully disarmed by disarming the society at large, which is what we're really talking about. I am responding specifically to people who say that the NRA, the GOA, myself, and many of our allies are so dangerous that we need to be disarmed, and that that could be accomplished by disarming the populace as a whole.

Targeting the most military styled political enemy you have in a nation with general gun control against everyone actually strengthens the political enemy
I can also use Weimar Germany and probably a 100 other examples to demonstrate that in most conflicts, that when the "gunphobics" decide to square off against the "gun lovers", the gun lovers almost always win. To beat us, you have to become just like us. Ultimately, to successfully disarm us, you will have to pick up a gun and make it so. Or hire someone and pay them to do the same.

This is why I am so adamantly against the gun controllers. Because I know that. I know ultimately that for them to win, they will have to turn into far worse than whatever they perceive we are. You still think you all will simply talk us out of it or legislate us out of it, but I know better. I know that either you will lose to us or you will beat us by becoming monsters. And I know there will be no other choices.

Remember what I said, people. Nothing you do will cause the hardcore conservatives and libertarians to disarm. Probably, gun control will only cause more of us TO arm. Because we know what happens next if we don't.

Governments in the 20th century have killed 100 million people. Almost all of those governments had one thing in common.....they stripped their eventual victims of firearms. Almost every people who have tried to appease a tyrant have lived to regret it. There is a more important spiritual lesson, in your zest to avoid the sword, that some of you have forgotten...."Put not your trust in princes". By disarming, you are trusting the princes.

I don't trust the princes. Do you?

Hitler probably would have come to power anyway in Germany. However, with a disarmed populace, he came to power with a minority of the vote, and without a check and balance against his power. Had there been an armed populace, he might not have been able to consolidate absolute power. Probably no World War II. Probably no Holocaust. Guns in the right hands could have stopped it all.

Anyone in today's political climate personally strike you as dangerous?

It doesn't really matter who it is, or what party they belong to. Just understand this: gun control strengthens their hand. YOU personally disarming strengthens their hand.

Again, I'll reask the question of those who support gun control. Have you lost your minds

http://www.lizmichael.com/openlett.htm

[wyldejackyl]

Great letter, and she's right. We have lost our minds..or more importantly..our rights at the behest of ourselves. We've been conditioned to do what's best for "them" and not for us!

[^Markus^]

lilwolf wrote: Well lets see now, On the map you have a dozen or so groups that are clearly hostile to americans, and those same ones would not even hesitate to do mayhem. If they fall into your civilizational clash thing, yes... they are dangerous and it is only a matter of time till we get nailed.

The only part that bothers me in this thing is when (not if) it happens the backlash to innocent ME immigrants. Personally this nations leades had better get on the ball and start rounding the bad guys up and getting rid of them. I do not care what methods are used as long as it is legal , but round them up and send their camel or goat smelling ass8s back to where they came from.
If we do not do something and do it quick we are going to get hurt and hurt bad.

OMG...OMG....OMG PARANOIA RUNS RAMPANT !!!!!!!

Better stock up the Bunker, break out the gas masks and load your weapons.
















Absolutely pathetic.

[lilwolf]

^Markus^ wrote: lilwolf wrote: Well lets see now, On the map you have a dozen or so groups that are clearly hostile to americans, and those same ones would not even hesitate to do mayhem. If they fall into your civilizational clash thing, yes... they are dangerous and it is only a matter of time till we get nailed.

The only part that bothers me in this thing is when (not if) it happens the backlash to innocent ME immigrants. Personally this nations leades had better get on the ball and start rounding the bad guys up and getting rid of them. I do not care what methods are used as long as it is legal , but round them up and send their camel or goat smelling ass8s back to where they came from.
If we do not do something and do it quick we are going to get hurt and hurt bad.

OMG...OMG....OMG PARANOIA RUNS RAMPANT !!!!!!!

Better stock up the Bunker, break out the gas masks and load your weapons.
















Absolutely pathetic.


Nope... no paranoia with people that are awake... People that shove their heads into the dirt are the ones that will lose in the end. If you really think this is over ....you are sadly mistaken and pathertic in your thoughts.

[jeechoscopy]

Stimulation; it was played some else where earlier...

What really happened; the tactics...

[^Markus^]

lilwolf wrote: Nope... no paranoia with people that are awake... People that shove their heads into the dirt are the ones that will lose in the end. If you really think this is over ....you are sadly mistaken and pathertic in your thoughts.
Who's shoving their head in the dirt? Not me and I'm not losing a damn thing.
I never said it was over, but I'm not sitting around wringing my hands worrying and waiting. I'm heading off to Mexico in 10 days to spend the whole winter so my thoughts are of warm water and tanned women in bathing suits... how pathetic is that?

Hasta la vista.

[lilwolf]

^Markus^ wrote: lilwolf wrote: Nope... no paranoia with people that are awake... People that shove their heads into the dirt are the ones that will lose in the end. If you really think this is over ....you are sadly mistaken and pathertic in your thoughts.
Who's shoving their head in the dirt? Not me and I'm not losing a damn thing.
I never said it was over, but I'm not sitting around wringing my hands worrying and waiting. I'm heading off to Mexico in 10 days to spend the whole winter so my thoughts are of warm water and tanned women in bathing suits... how pathetic is that?

Hasta la vista.


Vacations are fine and good...have fun. I tend to spend a little more time in the mountains myself. I also am not paranoid , nor do I just set around and play the chicken little thing. I have prepared for just about anything that could befall this nation, so i am not worried about it...but america is starting to wake up to what is coming at us and steps are being taken to defend ourselves... later 8:)

[no.1]

This thread is all over the place. We need decisive action yes but neither party can be trusted to do the right thing. I used to be a republican but no longer. Now I'm strictly a "lesser of two evils" guy at least until everything completely unravels. (2012?) Our governmental system is way too slow and goes back and forth too much. We need someone or a lot of someones who can get the job done efficiently, effectively, and without trampling everyones human rights. Yes it can be done, but its never going to happen. never.

[Dennis]

lilwolf wrote: ...We have to be ready to pay the price...to ensure our way of life continues....

Exactly. We need to pay the price for the way we have let our way of life continue, which caused us to have to pay that price to begin with.

Ever wonder why they have continuously tried to bomb us? Gee, maybe it's because they're just not very nice. :lol:

Don't get me wrong, bombing is not the answer and, for that, they have done wrong. But, I do not place all of the blame on them.

It's time to fix the idiots on both sides of the war.

[lilwolf]

Dennis wrote: lilwolf wrote: ...We have to be ready to pay the price...to ensure our way of life continues....

Exactly. We need to pay the price for the way we have let our way of life continue, which caused us to have to pay that price to begin with.

Ever wonder why they have continuously tried to bomb us? Gee, maybe it's because they're just not very nice. :lol:

Don't get me wrong, bombing is not the answer and, for that, they have done wrong. But, I do not place all of the blame on them.

It's time to fix the idiots on both sides of the war.



Those words are in the article and not my personal words. I do agree with everything that was written and in the end if I have to kill them in the streets here...then so be it, and I will have no remorse at all

[mr crunchy]

what color is the terror code today??

do you all have plenty of batteries water and canned goods stored up?

as we have killed 100,000 innocent iraqi civilians in the war on terror

who do you think is the most reviled man in the world today??
lil kim
corkey bush
or
obl??
68 dead americans in iraq this month
but we're winning says the department of defense
and we plan to stay the course because??
THEY HATE OUR FREEDOMS

DOO DA
DOO DA

i wonder how many arab attacks were commited against us
before we decided to make israel the 51st state somewhere around 1967-68??

yeah
we should wake up
we should stoppropping up the false governments in cairo riyahd amman and algeria and pakistan
and start practicing what we've been preaching in iraq
democracy
isnt that what we're fighting for??
so young ali can vote for an ayatollah??

unreal

[lilwolf]

mr crunchy wrote: what color is the terror code today??

do you all have plenty of batteries water and canned goods stored up?

as we have killed 100,000 innocent iraqi civilians in the war on terror

who do you think is the most reviled man in the world today??
lil kim
corkey bush
or
obl??
68 dead americans in iraq this month
but we're winning says the department of defense
and we plan to stay the course because??
THEY HATE OUR FREEDOMS

DOO DA
DOO DA

i wonder how many arab attacks were commited against us
before we decided to make israel the 51st state somewhere around 1967-68??

yeah
we should wake up
we should stoppropping up the false governments in cairo riyahd amman and algeria and pakistan
and start practicing what we've been preaching in iraq
democracy
isnt that what we're fighting for??
so young ali can vote for an ayatollah??

unreal


What are you ...one of those people that blames everythnig on Israel as well? :roll:

[mr crunchy]

i blame our mid east foreign policy on our unconditional support of israel
despite them being caught spying on us
despite their apartheid regime
despite them blowing away 36 solidiers on the ss liberty in 1967
despite them receiving over 100,000,000.00 in american aid in the last 20 years
despite them electing ariel sharon to the prime ministers job in 2000

no
i dont blame them for everything and no
im not an anti semite
i do have issues with israel,not the jewish people

i also have issues with mubarek in egypt
i also have big time issues with hamas and the palestinian population that elected them to power

my biggest grieviances lie in saudi and pakistan
our 2 main allies in the war on terror were the only nations who backed the taliban on 9-11
now we rely on them to hunt down OBL??

any wonder why hes still eating falafel in karachi??

[lilwolf]

mr crunchy wrote: i blame our mid east foreign policy on our unconditional support of israel
despite them being caught spying on us
despite their apartheid regime
despite them blowing away 36 solidiers on the ss liberty in 1967
despite them receiving over 100,000,000.00 in american aid in the last 20 years
despite them electing ariel sharon to the prime ministers job in 2000

no
i dont blame them for everything and no
im not an anti semite
i do have issues with israel,not the jewish people

i also have issues with mubarek in egypt
i also have big time issues with hamas and the palestinian population that elected them to power

my biggest grieviances lie in saudi and pakistan
our 2 main allies in the war on terror were the only nations who backed the taliban on 9-11
now we rely on them to hunt down OBL??

any wonder why hes still eating falafel in karachi??


I just asked a question is all. :roll: