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[psholtz]

Incredibly important news.

We know that the USG (i.e., the foreign, belligerent corporation - hostile to American interests - currently occupying Washington DC under military rule) loves to stage its terror attacks under the color of running "drills" and "exercises". The terror attacks of OKC, 9/11 and the British 7/11 were all carried out this way, where the local authorities were practicing "drills" of precisely the same variety as the genuine terror attacks that occurred simultaneosly.

The USG has furthermore stated that it desires to launch a NUCLEAR first-strke against Iran in the coming months. For this reason, we must watch all "nuclear drills" that the USG conducts until the closest of scrutiny. More than likely, such a "drill" will be little more than a cover to give the USG an opportunity to carry out a false-flag nuclear strike against America, or some American interest, and blame it on the "Iranians"..

One such "drill" is occuring this coming week in Hawaii.

Quote: By William Cole
Honolulu Advertiser
Military Writer


The state plans to hold an exercise in mid-August simulating the explosion of a half-kiloton nuclear device at the entrance of Honolulu Harbor, a mock blast that theoretically would result in 10,000 casualties.

State Adjutant Maj. Gen. Robert G.F. Lee, head of the Hawai'i National Guard, said Hawai'i is one of the first to take on the nuclear device planning.

Several hundred state and military planners and first responders will take part Aug. 14 to 16 in "Exercise 'A Kele."

[...]

http://falseflagnews.com/terrordrills/simulated_nuclear_explosion_planned_in_hawaii_for_aug_14-16

Consider yourselves on high alert.. at least until there is a deescalation in tension and a cessation of the USG's military "drills" and "exercises", which more often than not are little more than a pretext and a cover for carrying out genuine terrorist activity and atrocities..

[Otacon]

Oh Jesus, here we go again. More possible terrorist attacks from our own government. Jeez. I hope that this is just a drill indeed.

[Richard Owl Mirror]

Hmm? I wonder if this has anything to do with it?

Sovereignty group attempts to claim Kaho'olawe
Quote: Honolulu Advertiser
Tuesday, August 1, 2006

Sovereignty group attempts to claim Kaho'olawe

By Mark Niesse
Associated Press

A Native Hawaiian sovereignty group took two boats from Maui to
Kaho'olawe yesterday, landed on shore, set up a rock altar and
planted a flag laying claim to the island.

The 18 members of the group calling itself the Reinstated Hawaiian
Kingdom is challenging U.S. sovereignty over land taken during the
1893 overthrow of the Hawaiian monarchy, said Henry Noa, who
identified himself as the group's "prime minister" by cell phone from
the undeveloped island.

A few hours later, state officers arrested two of the members and
issued citations to the rest for entering a restricted area, said
Randy Awo, branch chief of the Department of Land and Natural
Resources enforcement division. Their names and the exact charges
against them were not immediately released.

"Our purpose is to reclaim our national land," Noa said. "We're
staking our claim here. We're not terrorists. We're far from being
terrorists. We're reasonable people."

Kaho'olawe is the smallest of the eight main Hawaiian Islands, and
was established as a state reserve in 1993. It is seven miles
southwest of Maui and covers about 44 square miles.

Access to Kaho'olawe is restricted because it is hazardous after
decades of military training, said Sol Kaho'ohalahala, executive
director of the Kaho'olawe Island Reserve Commission.

About 65 percent of the surface has been cleared of weapons and
ordinance, and less than 10 percent of the surrounding waters are
considered safe.

Ranchers once tended sheep and goats on the mostly lava-rock island,
but it now has no permanent residents.

Members of the Reinstated Hawaiian Kingdom, which was formed in 1999
and claims 3,000 citizens, say their action on Kaho'olawe is
justified by the 1993 Apology Resolution, in which Congress voted to
apologize for the role the United States played in the overthrow of
the Hawaiian Kingdom.

"They did not have the right to take it. That's what they admitted,"
said Dale Albertson, a Big Island district representative for the
Reinstated Hawaiian Kingdom. "We're trying to remove it from future
contamination and attempt to push forward the cleanup of the 'aina."

The Reinstated Hawaiian Kingdom is one of several Native Hawaiian
groups seeking various ways to restore Native Hawaiian rights and
rule in the Islands.

The state Office of Hawaiian Affairs is moving ahead with its vision
for a Hawaiian government within the framework of the United States,
according to OHA Administrator Clyde Namu'o.

"It's too bad that people are trespassing," Namu'o said. "The United
States was apologetic, but I'm not sure you can say that's the basis
for reclaiming land."

The Navy concluded its 10-year cleanup operations on Kaho'olawe in
2003, although officials say much ordnance remains buried, rests on
the land surface or lies beneath waters offshore.

The Kaho'olawe Island Reserve Commission prohibits access except for
Native Hawaiian cultural purposes, environmental restoration,
education and rehabilitation of the habitat.

Commission officials say they prepare for such access ahead of time,
informing groups about the risks involved.

Noa said his group maintains that the Hawai'i government is the one
trespassing on Kaho'olawe, and it plans to continue efforts to
reclaim its land and national identity.


International law expert says America has a duty to set Hawaii Islands free

Ref: http://www.hawaii-nation.org/

Group seeks sovereignty for Alaska and Hawaii
Quote: GENEVA » A group claiming to represent native Hawaiians and Alaskans says it is appealing for U.N. support to pressure the United States into granting indigenous peoples in Alaska and Hawaii full rights as independent states because the occupation of their lands is against international law.

Indigenous World Association, which represents groups from both Alaska and Hawaii, has submitted reports to the U.N. Human Rights Committee, the first step in a process that could end in the General Assembly or even with the appointment of special investigators to examine the situation.

"We are independent and occupied peoples," Indigenous World Association spokesman Ronald Barnes said Thursday. "Neither Alaska nor Hawaii has ever ceded these powers."

Indigenous World Association, an umbrella group which has for the first time brought together tribes from Alaska and Hawaii, claims that indigenous lands in both states were illegally occupied. They say they are being taxed but get no representation in return and point out that it is against one of the founding principles of the United States.

The Human Rights Committee has sent a list of questions to Washington and will examine U.S. officials at its next session, in Geneva in July.

These include a request to detail which U.S. law allows authorities to contravene established tribal property rights, and also to explain how federal laws apply to indigenous tribes.

"Anybody who has property that belongs to them, in their right mind, is going to say, 'Please don't take my property,'" Barnes said. "Domestic federal Indian law is repugnant to international law."

U.S. officials were not immediately able to comment.

[mojo]

So if there is no nuclear terrorist attack will you go away and concede this idea as conspiracy hogwash.

[sLiPpY]

If I lived in Hawaii...I'd plan a vacation that week. Preferably one to St. Croix.

[flamboyant]

psholtz wrote: Incredibly important news.

We know that the USG (i.e., the foreign, belligerent corporation - hostile to American interests - currently occupying Washington DC under military rule) loves to stage its terror attacks under the color of running "drills" and "exercises". The terror attacks of OKC, 9/11 and the British 7/11 were all carried out this way, where the local authorities were practicing "drills" of precisely the same variety as the genuine terror attacks that occurred simultaneosly.

The USG has furthermore stated that it desires to launch a NUCLEAR first-strke against Iran in the coming months. For this reason, we must watch all "nuclear drills" that the USG conducts until the closest of scrutiny. More than likely, such a "drill" will be little more than a cover to give the USG an opportunity to carry out a false-flag nuclear strike against America, or some American interest, and blame it on the "Iranians"..

One such "drill" is occuring this coming week in Hawaii.

Quote: By William Cole
Honolulu Advertiser
Military Writer


The state plans to hold an exercise in mid-August simulating the explosion of a half-kiloton nuclear device at the entrance of Honolulu Harbor, a mock blast that theoretically would result in 10,000 casualties.

State Adjutant Maj. Gen. Robert G.F. Lee, head of the Hawai'i National Guard, said Hawai'i is one of the first to take on the nuclear device planning.

Several hundred state and military planners and first responders will take part Aug. 14 to 16 in "Exercise 'A Kele."

[...]

http://falseflagnews.com/terrordrills/simulated_nuclear_explosion_planned_in_hawaii_for_aug_14-16

Consider yourselves on high alert.. at least until there is a deescalation in tension and a cessation of the USG's military "drills" and "exercises", which more often than not are little more than a pretext and a cover for carrying out genuine terrorist activity and atrocities..

When the drill doesn't turn out to be a cover for a real strike, will you please go back to the Conspiracy Forum?

[cap'n queasy]

Quote: The USG has furthermore stated that it desires to launch a NUCLEAR first-strke against Iran in the coming months.

Source?

[sLiPpY]

cap'n queasy wrote: Quote: The USG has furthermore stated that it desires to launch a NUCLEAR first-strke against Iran in the coming months.

Source?

http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/04/10/hersh.access/index.html

Hersh: U.S. mulls nuclear option for Iran :P

[psholtz]

mojo wrote: So if there is no nuclear terrorist attack will you go away and concede this idea as conspiracy hogwash.
No, absolutely not.

We are on high alert right (not b/c the USG *says so*, and not b/c the CIA and MI6 lied about "gatorade bombs" on British airplanes, but because the USG is currently conducting nuclear drills and the USG has a track record of committing terrorist attacks under the cover of "exercises" and "drills").

The USG is conducting a series of "nuclear blast preparation drills" between now and late October. This is the first one in the queue, but they'll be going on almost non-stop around the nation between now and at least October.

I'll keep you posted as I learn more about the other nuclear drills and exercises. The Web site I linked to has a lot more info, if you're interested.

The USG is DESPARATE for a war w/ Iran, and the criminals running this government are EASILY psychologically capable of nuking an Amercan city if it would serve their ends and objectives.

[psholtz]

sLiPpY wrote: cap'n queasy wrote: Quote: The USG has furthermore stated that it desires to launch a NUCLEAR first-strke against Iran in the coming months.

Source?

http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/04/10/hersh.access/index.html

Hersh: U.S. mulls nuclear option for Iran :P
Terrifying.. :shock:

But yes, I've heard about this..

The USG is itching to launch a NUCLEAR strike against Iran. A wonderful pretext for that would be nuking an American city under false flag, and blaming it on "Iran"..

This is a (serious) emergency situation, imho.. Warn EVERYONE you know about this. If we can expose the criminals and want they intend to do, they'll back off. Don't forget that we're dealing w/ total cowards.. that's their Achille's Heel.

[cap'n queasy]

Quote: cap'n queasy wrote:
Quote:
The USG has furthermore stated that it desires to launch a NUCLEAR first-strke against Iran in the coming months.


Source?


http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/04/10/hersh.access/index.html

Hersh: U.S. mulls nuclear option for Iran


Where does that article state the the US desires to launch a nuclear first strike at Iran in the coming months?

That's nothing more than blatant misrepresentation. What the article actually states is that Seymour Hersh thinks that the US desires to launch a nuclear first strike.

That is not valid support for this outrageous false claim.

[cap'n queasy]

Quote: mojo wrote:
So if there is no nuclear terrorist attack will you go away and concede this idea as conspiracy hogwash.


psholtz wrote:
No, absolutely not.

What did you expect, Mojo?
:lol:

[psholtz]

flamboyant wrote: psholtz wrote: Incredibly important news.

We know that the USG (i.e., the foreign, belligerent corporation - hostile to American interests - currently occupying Washington DC under military rule) loves to stage its terror attacks under the color of running "drills" and "exercises". The terror attacks of OKC, 9/11 and the British 7/11 were all carried out this way, where the local authorities were practicing "drills" of precisely the same variety as the genuine terror attacks that occurred simultaneosly.

The USG has furthermore stated that it desires to launch a NUCLEAR first-strke against Iran in the coming months. For this reason, we must watch all "nuclear drills" that the USG conducts until the closest of scrutiny. More than likely, such a "drill" will be little more than a cover to give the USG an opportunity to carry out a false-flag nuclear strike against America, or some American interest, and blame it on the "Iranians"..

One such "drill" is occuring this coming week in Hawaii.

Quote: By William Cole
Honolulu Advertiser
Military Writer


The state plans to hold an exercise in mid-August simulating the explosion of a half-kiloton nuclear device at the entrance of Honolulu Harbor, a mock blast that theoretically would result in 10,000 casualties.

State Adjutant Maj. Gen. Robert G.F. Lee, head of the Hawai'i National Guard, said Hawai'i is one of the first to take on the nuclear device planning.

Several hundred state and military planners and first responders will take part Aug. 14 to 16 in "Exercise 'A Kele."

[...]

http://falseflagnews.com/terrordrills/simulated_nuclear_explosion_planned_in_hawaii_for_aug_14-16

Consider yourselves on high alert.. at least until there is a deescalation in tension and a cessation of the USG's military "drills" and "exercises", which more often than not are little more than a pretext and a cover for carrying out genuine terrorist activity and atrocities..

When the drill doesn't turn out to be a cover for a real strike, will you please go back to the Conspiracy Forum?
We'l be scrutinizing the USG very, very closely for a possible nuclear strike at least through October.

[psholtz]

cap'n queasy wrote: Quote: cap'n queasy wrote:
Quote:
The USG has furthermore stated that it desires to launch a NUCLEAR first-strke against Iran in the coming months.


Source?


http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/04/10/hersh.access/index.html

Hersh: U.S. mulls nuclear option for Iran


Where does that article state the the US desires to launch a nuclear first strike at Iran in the coming months?
Uhhh.. try the second paragraph in the article.. :?

[sLiPpY]

cap'n queasy wrote: Quote: cap'n queasy wrote:
Quote:
The USG has furthermore stated that it desires to launch a NUCLEAR first-strke against Iran in the coming months.


Source?


http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/04/10/hersh.access/index.html

Hersh: U.S. mulls nuclear option for Iran


Where does that article state the the US desires to launch a nuclear first strike at Iran in the coming months?

That's nothing more than blatant misrepresentation. What the article actually states is that Seymour Hersh thinks that the US desires to launch a nuclear first strike.

That is not valid support for this outrageous false claim.

Outrageous false claim? Ever since I came to this forum, there are many of us who talked about how the USS Liberty was set-up by our own government to be sunk off the coast of Israel during the 7 day war, by the Israeli's.

If a Russian ship hadn't been there, that ship at LBJ's demand, "I want that God damned ship at the bottom of the ocean!" The un-marked Mirage jets and torpedo boats would have continued the attack.

Call it outrageous? In the past year the CIA declassified documents that prove individual testimony, that LBJ wanted the boat sunk so that he could use it as a pretext to get US troops into Egypt. Are absolutely true.

Rumsfeld's been talking about wanting to use nukes, in the press since 2002.

[Chymical]

Paul, because you have figured this out in time there will be no drill and there will be no false flag, I think the
American people owe you a debt of gratitude. The universe is mental, as evil schemes are hatched began and discovered doubtless other threats to humanity will emerge. However all that aside, I can't say that is the powers that be wanted to go ape, they wouldn't, what does even this modicum publicity do? It's either on or it's rescheduled...It's gonn ahappen regardless, information is all good, but we need violence here. People will kick each other to death over the theft of a cookie, but take away every liberty dignity and freedom and you get a resounding 'meh'...

sad....

[cap'n queasy]

sLiPpY wrote: cap'n queasy wrote: Quote: cap'n queasy wrote:
Quote:
The USG has furthermore stated that it desires to launch a NUCLEAR first-strke against Iran in the coming months.


Source?


http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/04/10/hersh.access/index.html

Hersh: U.S. mulls nuclear option for Iran


Where does that article state the the US desires to launch a nuclear first strike at Iran in the coming months?

That's nothing more than blatant misrepresentation. What the article actually states is that Seymour Hersh thinks that the US desires to launch a nuclear first strike.

That is not valid support for this outrageous false claim.

Outrageous false claim? Ever since I came to this forum, there are many of us who talked about how the USS Liberty was set-up by our own government to be sunk off the coast of Israel during the 7 day war, by the Israeli's.

If a Russian ship hadn't been there, that ship at LBJ's demand, "I want that God damned ship at the bottom of the ocean!" The un-marked Mirage jets and torpedo boats would have continued the attack.

Call it outrageous? In the past year the CIA declassified documents that prove individual testimony, that LBJ wanted the boat sunk so that he could use it as a pretext to get US troops into Egypt. Are absolutely true.

Rumsfeld's been talking about wanting to use nukes, in the press since 2002.

What does any of that that have to do with you misrepresenting an interview with some crackpot as "proof" that the US desires to launch a nuclear first strike at Iran in the coming months?

Now can you come up with something that actually says what you claim it says, that supports the non-factual statement made by the OP, rather than spamming us with material gleaned from Vanguard and Stormfront websites.

[sLiPpY]

cap'n queasy wrote: sLiPpY wrote: cap'n queasy wrote: Quote: cap'n queasy wrote:
Quote:
The USG has furthermore stated that it desires to launch a NUCLEAR first-strke against Iran in the coming months.


Source?


http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/04/10/hersh.access/index.html

Hersh: U.S. mulls nuclear option for Iran


Where does that article state the the US desires to launch a nuclear first strike at Iran in the coming months?

That's nothing more than blatant misrepresentation. What the article actually states is that Seymour Hersh thinks that the US desires to launch a nuclear first strike.

That is not valid support for this outrageous false claim.

Outrageous false claim? Ever since I came to this forum, there are many of us who talked about how the USS Liberty was set-up by our own government to be sunk off the coast of Israel during the 7 day war, by the Israeli's.

If a Russian ship hadn't been there, that ship at LBJ's demand, "I want that God damned ship at the bottom of the ocean!" The un-marked Mirage jets and torpedo boats would have continued the attack.

Call it outrageous? In the past year the CIA declassified documents that prove individual testimony, that LBJ wanted the boat sunk so that he could use it as a pretext to get US troops into Egypt. Are absolutely true.

Rumsfeld's been talking about wanting to use nukes, in the press since 2002.

What does any of that that have to do with you misrepresenting an interview with some crackpot as "proof" that the US desires to launch a nuclear first strike at Iran in the coming months?

Now can you come up with something that actually says what you claim it says, that supports the non-factual statement made by the OP, rather than spamming us with material gleaned from Vanguard and Stormfront websites.

capn' calling Seymour Hersh a crackpot? :lol:

Seymour Myron (Sy) Hersh (born April 8, 1937) is an American Pulitzer Prize winning investigative journalist and author based in New York City. He is a regular contributor to The New Yorker on military and security matters.

His work first gained worldwide recognition in 1969 for exposing the My Lai massacre and its cover-up during the Vietnam War, for which he received the 1970 Pulitzer Prize for International Reporting. His 2004 reports on the US Military's treatment of detainees at Abu Ghraib prison gained much attention. In 2006 he reported on the US military's plans for Iran, which called for the use of nuclear weapons against that country.

[psholtz]

cap'n queasy wrote: What does any of that that have to do with you misrepresenting an interview with some crackpot as "proof" that the US desires to launch a nuclear first strike at Iran in the coming months?

(1) The CNN articles states that the USG intends to use nukes against Iran.. this is not misrepresentation;
(2) I never cited any CNN articles as "justification" for my belief that the USG intends to stage a false-flag nuke attack.. my "justification" for that belief comes from months of watching the hawkish pro-nuke statements coming out of neocons recently.

The neocons have made hundreds of statements to this effect over the past couple months.

For instance, a couple months ago, the CFR mouthpiece, "Foreign Affairs", gave the green light to the USG to use nuclear weapons in a first stirke capacity EVEN AGAINST RUSSIA AND CHINA(!) :shock:

I posted a thread about this the day the info came out..

I guess it fell back down the Memory Hole, huh?

Do you remember which year 9/11 happened in, cap'n?

Perhaps you can dig up my CFR thread if you desire.

[The Comrade]

i have a question.


how does all of this s**t get out into the public. if it's so ecretive and dangerous to the government you would never never never ever hear about it.

but just to go with the conspiracy loons, what if all of this is just false information to get you all side tracked?