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Gwin · Joined: 20 Feb 2006 Posts: 188

NK tested a nuke, this is ofcourse widely known. What isn't but probably should be is, that the US probably knew about NK and their nukes stuff and didn't really do all that much to stop them. "But why?" you ask. Simply this: We allow NK to develope their own nukes, this cowers the rest of the world (particularily China, SK, Japan, maybe India), which allows the U.S to further International ties after our little debacle in Iraq.

Patriot911 · Joined: 03 Feb 2005 Posts: 6937 Location: Denver, CO

Your assertion is fraught with falacies. The whole world knew that NK was working on nukes. This wasn't a "US only" secret, and the US did as much or more than any other country to try and keep nukes out of the hands of NK.

As for the nuke, it is yet to be determined that they actually managed to set one off.

Question for you. What should the US have done to stop NK? Invade? Set up a trade embargo? Bomb them?

psholtz · Joined: 15 Feb 2004 Posts: 23468 Location: California

Gwin wrote: NK tested a nuke, this is ofcourse widely known. What isn't but probably should be is, that the US probably knew about NK and their nukes stuff and didn't really do all that much to stop them. "But why?" you ask. Simply this: We allow NK to develope their own nukes, this cowers the rest of the world (particularily China, SK, Japan, maybe India), which allows the U.S to further International ties after our little debacle in Iraq.
Rumsfeld has been selling nuclear technology to NK for years:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/korea/article/0,2763,952289,00.html

US Foreign Policy: Building the best enemies money can buy.

psholtz · Joined: 15 Feb 2004 Posts: 23468 Location: California

Patriot911 wrote: Question for you. What should the US have done to stop NK? Invade? Set up a trade embargo? Bomb them?
The US dropped a bunker-busting micronuke on NK back in 2004..

Patriot911 · Joined: 03 Feb 2005 Posts: 6937 Location: Denver, CO

psholtz wrote: Patriot911 wrote: Question for you. What should the US have done to stop NK? Invade? Set up a trade embargo? Bomb them?
The US dropped a bunker-busting micronuke on NK back in 2004..

:roll: Not sure why I should even ask, but care to back up this assertion?

psholtz · Joined: 15 Feb 2004 Posts: 23468 Location: California

Patriot911 wrote: psholtz wrote: Patriot911 wrote: Question for you. What should the US have done to stop NK? Invade? Set up a trade embargo? Bomb them?
The US dropped a bunker-busting micronuke on NK back in 2004..

:roll: Not sure why I should even ask, but care to back up this assertion?
It's in my post history.. :-D

You have to go back to about 2004 to find it, though.. :wink:

I made a pretty big brouh-ha-ha about it at the time. People who have been around for a while will surely remember.. I even included satellite pics in my posts, showing the damage that was done, etc..

cap'n queasy · Joined: 15 May 2004 Posts: 34968

Of course, if we would have done something about it, they would be crying about how unfair it was to invade NK.

The reason they were able to do it in the first place because Clinton and Albright made a deal with them allowing them to have a domestic nuclear program. Which is exactly the exact thing the left is saying to do with Iran. Leave them alone and let them have their nuclear program.

Then in ten years when they have nukes too, they will screaming about how they were allowed to make nukes. It's absolutely moronic.

krims · Joined: 25 May 2006 Posts: 136 Location: kamchatka

The unjust invasion of Iraq has set an example for other countries.

This example is that if you don't have nuclear weapons, then you might be invaded and have your country torn apart.

But if you do have nuclear weapons then you get respect from the West and the guarantee that you won't be invaded.

psholtz · Joined: 15 Feb 2004 Posts: 23468 Location: California

cap'n queasy wrote: The reason they were able to do it in the first place because Clinton and Albright made a deal with them allowing them to have a domestic nuclear program. Which is exactly the exact thing the left is saying to do with Iran. Leave them alone and let them have their nuclear program.
You realize that Rumsfeld was one of the people who helped broker the deal you mention here.

See the link I posted above.

These people are anything but morons..

Patriot911 · Joined: 03 Feb 2005 Posts: 6937 Location: Denver, CO

Gee.... one would have thought the third use of nuclear weapons would have made the news. :lol:

Since you refuse to substantiate your claim, I did some investigation myself. Turns out you nutjobs think the train collision in NK was a micronuke. :roll: No proof. Nothing than your own guessing to back up your claim.

If this WAS a micronuke, there would be residual radiation to this day and NK could have had the entire world against the US. As it stands, you just read too much Joe Vaills.

psholtz · Joined: 15 Feb 2004 Posts: 23468 Location: California

Patriot911 wrote: Gee.... one would have thought the third use of nuclear weapons would have made the news.
Nope, not necessarily..

Only if the Establishment desires for it to.

Patriot911 · Joined: 03 Feb 2005 Posts: 6937 Location: Denver, CO

psholtz wrote: Patriot911 wrote: Gee.... one would have thought the third use of nuclear weapons would have made the news.
Nope, not necessarily..

Only if the Establishment desires for it to.

So the "establishment" controls the North Korean newspapers? :roll:

psholtz · Joined: 15 Feb 2004 Posts: 23468 Location: California

Patriot911 wrote: psholtz wrote: Patriot911 wrote: Gee.... one would have thought the third use of nuclear weapons would have made the news.
Nope, not necessarily..

Only if the Establishment desires for it to.

So the "establishment" controls the North Korean newspapers? :roll:
If NK won't bite, than they won't bite.

History records that they didn't bite at this particular provocation.

It should be no surprise then that the information was hence suppressed in their media as well. They have no incentive to publicize: "Hey, we just got nuked by the US, but we're not going to do anything about it!!"

The would look like total wimps and cowards.. to their own people and to the rest of the world.

NAB · Posted: Tue Oct 10, 2006 2:48 pm Post subject:

psholtz wrote: Patriot911 wrote: psholtz wrote: Patriot911 wrote: Gee.... one would have thought the third use of nuclear weapons would have made the news.
Nope, not necessarily..

Only if the Establishment desires for it to.

So the "establishment" controls the North Korean newspapers? :roll:
If NK won't bite, than they won't bite.

History records that they didn't bite at this particular provocation.

It should be no surprise then that the information was hence suppressed in their media as well. They have no incentive to publicize: "Hey, we just got nuked by the US, but we're not going to do anything about it!!"

The would look like total wimps and cowards.. to their own people and to the rest of the world.

Firstly, why would the USG bomb the same weapons you claim they gave them?

Secondly, if this micronuke had actually been used, the NK would have instantly invaded the South as retribution. Seoul is only a few miles south of the DMZ and the US military and the South Korean military both know they wouldn't be able to stop them from overrunning the capitol. They could actually take it fairly easily if they chose to. You don't seem to understand the mindset on the Korean peninsula, and especially the ones in the North. Get to know some Koreans and sit and talk with them about it sometime and get their feelings on the North. Especially some of them who have family trapped there. There is an autonomous Cult of Personality in the North that was absolutely not created by your so-called Elites.

I just can't fathom why you're willing to give one group of people (Elites) so much credit, yet never seem to give another credit for having their own agenda.

Patriot911 · Joined: 03 Feb 2005 Posts: 6937 Location: Denver, CO

psholtz wrote: Patriot911 wrote: psholtz wrote: Patriot911 wrote: Gee.... one would have thought the third use of nuclear weapons would have made the news.
Nope, not necessarily..

Only if the Establishment desires for it to.

So the "establishment" controls the North Korean newspapers? :roll:
If NK won't bite, than they won't bite.

History records that they didn't bite at this particular provocation.

It should be no surprise then that the information was hence suppressed in their media as well. They have no incentive to publicize: "Hey, we just got nuked by the US, but we're not going to do anything about it!!"

The would look like total wimps and cowards.. to their own people and to the rest of the world.

And thus we see how conspiracies are born. Someone comes up with an idea, can't prove it, so comes up with a more and more elaborate theory as to why nobody else has heard of it, why nobody has reported it, and how they alone have managed to come across this information when nobody else has. :roll: Psholtz, you live in a very twisted fantasy land.

The Comrade · Joined: 16 Jul 2006 Posts: 12039 Location: Zagreb

that is probably the worst theory i have ever heard.

you bring shame to the conspiracy crowd.

psholtz · Joined: 15 Feb 2004 Posts: 23468 Location: California

NAB wrote: Firstly, why would the USG bomb the same weapons you claim they gave them?
I never said the US gave NK bunker-busting nukes..

Bunker-busting nukes are pretty stragetic..

I don't think they're for sale, except maybe to countries like Israel, etc..

Quote: Secondly, if this micronuke had actually been used, the NK would have instantly invaded the South as retribution.
Prove it! :lol:

NAB · Posted: Tue Oct 10, 2006 3:43 pm Post subject:

psholtz wrote: NAB wrote: Firstly, why would the USG bomb the same weapons you claim they gave them?
I never said the US gave NK bunker-busting nukes..

Bunker-busting nukes are pretty stragetic..

I don't think they're for sale, except maybe to countries like Israel, etc..

Quote: Secondly, if this micronuke had actually been used, the NK would have instantly invaded the South as retribution.
Prove it! :lol:

I wasn't referring to the micronukes being for sale, but what you think they were targeting and why. :wink:

As to your second point....touche. :lol: I guess I'm just basing my opinion on over 50 years of past history and constant acrimony between the North and South. The DMZ isn't just there as a cute little fence afterall.

Snake · Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2006 6:01 pm Post subject:

No, not really. Instead of intimidating China, we buy sh*t from them, making them an economical partner. Ditto's for Japan. And We already have ties to S Korea, you know, that whole Korean conflict where we kept the N from turning the S communist? Plus, we outsource like crazy to India, so I don't see any need to do something like this. Kim Jong Ill's just a crazy mother fVcker